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Post by rjaege on Oct 21, 2022 13:14:38 GMT -5
Do you have children? If so I feel for them. I definitely told my children how to avoid becoming a victim. They didn't always listen, but that's what kids do. This thread is not about blaming victims, it's about ways to avoid future victims. My paternal instincts coming out. Do you tell your daughter to not go on dates, because she might then be date-raped? "Don't go on dates, and you won't be date-raped" "Don't take the photos, and the photos won't get leaked". That is assigning "responsibility" - read "blame" - to the victims. Stop blaming the victims. Stupid black or white response. I told her to be careful about alcohol, partying and dating. She didn't listen. Had to live with the consequence, something she regretted happening. Fortunately just embarrassment and psycological scars. We didn't shame her, but we did console her and discussed how to avoid future promblems. That put her back in control and helped her heal. |
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Post by jayj79 on Oct 21, 2022 13:16:15 GMT -5
I am 100% certain I have no kids or spouses sending out nude pics. godly, pls teach us your ways without knowing anything about Mike's personal life, I'm going to guess that he doesn't have a spouse or children (that he knows about) |
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Post by robtearle on Oct 21, 2022 13:16:40 GMT -5
You must know LOTS more about this than I do. Because I have no reason to believe that happened, and AMPLE reason to believe it did not. Because if that happened, that would be something for the UW Police to investigate. And we've been told QUITE clearly that the members of the team are NOT being investigated. So, maybe STOP BLAMING THE VICTIMS! I'm only going off what was said on here. People have mentioned individuals in the background being less-than-clothed (since, you know, it's a locker room, designed for people to change clothes in and whatnot). Whether that is true or not, I'll never know as I have no desire to seek out such photos myself, because that is part of the problem. But I stand by the fact that taking photos in a room where people are undressing/changing clothes is a bad idea. And I am pointing out to you and the others about "what was said here": speculation is crap. Don't do it. Hypotheticals to help your rhetorical point are crap. Don't do that. Comment on what you know. We know that none of the team is being investigated for ANY wrongdoing. Taking photos in a private place is perfectly OK; there is NOTHING wrong with that. The victims did NOTHING wrong. Stop assigning blame to them. |
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Post by robtearle on Oct 21, 2022 13:17:57 GMT -5
Do you tell your daughter to not go on dates, because she might then be date-raped? "Don't go on dates, and you won't be date-raped" "Don't take the photos, and the photos won't get leaked". That is assigning "responsibility" - read "blame" - to the victims. Stop blaming the victims. Stupid black or white response. I told her to be careful about alcohol, partying and dating. She didn't listen. Had to live with the consequence, something she regretted happening. Fortunately just embarrassment and psycological scars. We didn't shame her, but we did console her and discussed how to avoid future promblems. That put her back in control and helped her heal. I'm sorry to hear something bad happened to your daughter. She was not to blame. |
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Post by GauchoFreg on Oct 21, 2022 13:30:06 GMT -5
How many times does this stuff have to happen for people to learn if you don't want a compromising picture to be posted on the internet then don't put yourself in a situation where it could happen. I don't care this is a locker room of teammates. One of life's great lesson's, you can't trust everyone. These girls used poor judgement and now they are learning a life lesson. Of course whoever posted this should be dealt with, but all female athletes will hopefully learn if you don't want your boobs posted online then don't let people take pictures of you topless. Sorry if this seems insensitive, but I have two daughters and when we talked about this last night they both said Wisconsin players should only blame themselves... maybe you and your daughters should mind your own business There were women in the background that were just doing their own thing, not posing, but still got caught undressed. You're really blaming them? I did see a couple pics and, in what I saw, it was just young women horsing around, just one step removed from Brandi Chastain famously taking off her shirt in celebration (sports bra underneath). For many, self included, nudity is not a big deal and I don't in any way agree with anyone who would hold this against one of the players in that locker room. There is consensus in punishing the leaker though. Go get her/him. |
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Post by Kangaroo on Oct 21, 2022 13:34:01 GMT -5
maybe you and your daughters should mind your own business There were women in the background that were just doing their own thing, not posing, but still got caught undressed. You're really blaming them? I did see a couple pics and, in what I saw, it was just young women horsing around, just one step removed from Brandi Chastain famously taking off her shirt in celebration (sports bra underneath). For many, self included, nudity is not a big deal and I don't in any way agree with anyone who would hold this against one of the players in that locker room. There is consensus in punishing the leaker though. Go get her/him. I also feel like there’s consensus that the women in the background did nothing wrong? Unless I missed something, I don’t see anyone blaming them? |
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Post by n00b on Oct 21, 2022 13:36:52 GMT -5
I'm only going off what was said on here. People have mentioned individuals in the background being less-than-clothed (since, you know, it's a locker room, designed for people to change clothes in and whatnot). Whether that is true or not, I'll never know as I have no desire to seek out such photos myself, because that is part of the problem. But I stand by the fact that taking photos in a room where people are undressing/changing clothes is a bad idea. And I am pointing out to you and the others about "what was said here": speculation is crap. Don't do it. Hypotheticals to help your rhetorical point are crap. Don't do that. Comment on what you know. We know that none of the team is being investigated for ANY wrongdoing. Taking photos in a private place is perfectly OK; there is NOTHING wrong with that. The victims did NOTHING wrong. Stop assigning blame to them. Taking photos in a private place is only ok if everybody knows they’re getting photographed and is ok with it. And then it’s only ok to share that photo if everybody is ok with it. |
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Post by dodger on Oct 21, 2022 13:36:57 GMT -5
Stupid black or white response. I told her to be careful about alcohol, partying and dating. She didn't listen. Had to live with the consequence, something she regretted happening. Fortunately just embarrassment and psycological scars. We didn't shame her, but we did console her and discussed how to avoid future promblems. That put her back in control and helped her heal. I'm sorry to hear something bad happened to your daughter. She was not to blame. Not about this thread: but having a personal discussion with myself here about discussing risk management versus shame/blame? so if my mother discusses with me pre-event how to make good choices (risk management) and potential consequences of my choices; Am i being pre-shamed/blamed by my mother for something i havent even done yet? |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Oct 21, 2022 13:45:23 GMT -5
How is starting another thread, in all caps this time, helping to stop the talk? Help me understand.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 21, 2022 13:52:49 GMT -5
How is creating another thread about the issue helpful?
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Post by dizzydean on Oct 21, 2022 14:02:07 GMT -5
Think about these young women moving into their profession after volleyball. If they move into a role where women are the minority, it is extremely difficult to be taken seriously and not get objectified for your looks. Now imagine you are dealing with this, and a picture of you topless gets out to your co-workers. What was already a difficult situation just became a lot worse. You think those male co-workers are going to pay attention to them when they are talking about work? Do you think they will be taken seriously? This is not ok, and whomever did this needs to be punished. Don’t blame the women either. Yes they'll be taken seriously. This is a particular set of circumstances. Sure they'll be scuttlebutt. But I think they'll be OK. |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Oct 21, 2022 14:21:21 GMT -5
Scrolling through these replies am I seeing some of this correctly? Some of y’all actually went searching for the pictures? Pero why?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2022 14:30:05 GMT -5
How is creating another thread about the issue helpful? Its not another thread. Its one for all discussion. The others were merged into one. Makes total sense. |
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Post by jayj79 on Oct 21, 2022 14:45:57 GMT -5
Scrolling through these replies am I seeing some of this correctly? Some of y’all actually went searching for the pictures? Pero why? guess they wanted to be accessories to the crime |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2022 16:15:45 GMT -5
Scrolling through these replies am I seeing some of this correctly? Some of y’all actually went searching for the pictures? Pero why? guess they wanted to be accessories to the crime From what I've been told the pics/videos in question are not ONLY from inside the locker room. But that is the focus of these moralist clowns. This is an ABSOLUTE invasion of these women's privacy and I hope whoever shared these so that they are spread across the Internet can ROT in HELL!! |
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