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Post by pointillinois on Aug 2, 2023 14:26:36 GMT -5
Raina mentioned that her and Brooke are working at playing at a faster pace. To be more precise, she said they've been working on "shoot" sets. That's not just a faster pace. That's as fast as it gets. It's a set that may only be a foot or two above the net and runs parallel to the top of the net to the hitter. It's meant to defeat big blocking teams and is a staple of mens' team offenses. It's very difficult to do well on a consistent basis because it requires really good first touch passes and a very mobile setter with great hands, not to mention having an OH who can adjust her run-up and swing to a ball that may not be perfectly placed. The fact they are practicing this tells me more than just that they're introducing one new tactic. Tamas was an All-American and USMNT setter, so it tells me he thinks (1) he has the right kind of setter, (2) the passing is going to be much better this year, and (3) there are going to be more simultaneously moving pieces in the offense, not just the leftside OH. Hope he's right. If he is, this is going to be a very entertaining team to watch. And Raina will end up crushing the Illini kill records after years of getting only moonballs and two or three blockers waiting for her when the ball re-enters the atmosphere on the left side. Thanks for the additional insight vbkahuna! The season can't get here fast enough!
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Post by exit237a on Aug 2, 2023 15:09:33 GMT -5
Raina mentioned that her and Brooke are working at playing at a faster pace. To be more precise, she said they've been working on "shoot" sets. That's not just a faster pace. That's as fast as it gets. It's a set that may only be a foot or two above the net and runs parallel to the top of the net to the hitter. It's meant to defeat big blocking teams and is a staple of mens' team offenses. It's very difficult to do well on a consistent basis because it requires really good first touch passes and a very mobile setter with great hands, not to mention having an OH who can adjust her run-up and swing to a ball that may not be perfectly placed. The fact they are practicing this tells me more than just that they're introducing one new tactic. Tamas was an All-American and USMNT setter, so it tells me he thinks (1) he has the right kind of setter, (2) the passing is going to be much better this year, and (3) there are going to be more simultaneously moving pieces in the offense, not just the leftside OH. Hope he's right. If he is, this is going to be a very entertaining team to watch. And Raina will end up crushing the Illini kill records after years of getting only moonballs and two or three blockers waiting for her when the ball re-enters the atmosphere on the left side. Was Jordyn setting shoot sets in 2018 or was even her tempo slower than that? Here's what seems like a pretty fast tempo set to JQ, for example:
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Post by kevinmalone on Aug 2, 2023 15:14:41 GMT -5
To be more precise, she said they've been working on "shoot" sets. That's not just a faster pace. That's as fast as it gets. It's a set that may only be a foot or two above the net and runs parallel to the top of the net to the hitter. It's meant to defeat big blocking teams and is a staple of mens' team offenses. It's very difficult to do well on a consistent basis because it requires really good first touch passes and a very mobile setter with great hands, not to mention having an OH who can adjust her run-up and swing to a ball that may not be perfectly placed. The fact they are practicing this tells me more than just that they're introducing one new tactic. Tamas was an All-American and USMNT setter, so it tells me he thinks (1) he has the right kind of setter, (2) the passing is going to be much better this year, and (3) there are going to be more simultaneously moving pieces in the offense, not just the leftside OH. Hope he's right. If he is, this is going to be a very entertaining team to watch. And Raina will end up crushing the Illini kill records after years of getting only moonballs and two or three blockers waiting for her when the ball re-enters the atmosphere on the left side. Was Jordyn setting shoot sets in 2018 or was even her tempo slower than that? Here's what seems like a pretty fast tempo set to JQ, for example: That is a good tempo "Go" in the women's game and when people use the term shoot set they are really talking about a Go just inside the antenna. My guess is they are trying to get back to that but it requires a setter, like Poulter, who can set it.
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Post by exit237a on Aug 2, 2023 15:15:44 GMT -5
Was Jordyn setting shoot sets in 2018 or was even her tempo slower than that? Here's what seems like a pretty fast tempo set to JQ, for example: That is a good tempo "Go" in the women's game and when people use the term shoot set they are really talking about a Go just inside the antenna. My guess is they are trying to get back to that but it requires a setter, like Poulter, who can set it. Thanks for the info!
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Post by ilalum92 on Aug 2, 2023 16:41:38 GMT -5
Was Jordyn setting shoot sets in 2018 or was even her tempo slower than that? Here's what seems like a pretty fast tempo set to JQ, for example: That is a good tempo "Go" in the women's game and when people use the term shoot set they are really talking about a Go just inside the antenna. My guess is they are trying to get back to that but it requires a setter, like Poulter, who can set it. As a former setter you are correct. The GO set to OH is meant to isolate the OH/Blocker. The set is too quick for the opposing teams MB to close the block. JP was a master at the GO set. It gave Quade a ton of 1-1 opportunities. That’s why she was a 1st team AA in 2018. When Raina referred to shoot sets she could also be referring the 3-1 to the MB. 3 feet away from the setter , 1 foot above the net. The set is meant to be placed between the opposing teams OH & MB. The speed of the set is meant to beat the block. Brooke seems to be the type of setter who can push both of the sets even with a pass that isn’t a 3pt pass. A great setter can still set both from behind the 10 ft line. Our moon ball sets of the last few years made our offense slow and predictable. Opposing teams were able to camp out a strong double block on our OH’s. As we all know, Raina is almost always terminal in a 1 -on-1 situation. Also, there is no way she is only 6’3 if Brooke is 6’0. She has to be about 6’5”.
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Aug 3, 2023 4:17:55 GMT -5
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Post by oldmanvb on Aug 3, 2023 8:12:21 GMT -5
Just watched the Illinois v Nebraska match. Thanks for posting it. If we can pass like the 2018 team, we will have a really enjoyable season. It is amazing how much better the offense ran, with only part of the difference attributable to Poulter. She had much better passes to work with. Raina would have been an AA if she played for that team, and with all due respect to Cooney, with Raina on the left and Prince on the right we would have a national championship banner hanging in Huff.
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Post by kevinmalone on Aug 3, 2023 8:47:16 GMT -5
As a former setter you are correct. The GO set to OH is meant to isolate the OH/Blocker. The set is too quick for the opposing teams MB to close the block. JP was a master at the GO set. It gave Quade a ton of 1-1 opportunities. That’s why she was a 1st team AA in 2018. When Raina referred to shoot sets she could also be referring the 3-1 to the MB. 3 feet away from the setter , 1 foot above the net. The set is meant to be placed between the opposing teams OH & MB. The speed of the set is meant to beat the block. Brooke seems to be the type of setter who can push both of the sets even with a pass that isn’t a 3pt pass. A great setter can still set both from behind the 10 ft line. Our moon ball sets of the last few years made our offense slow and predictable. Opposing teams were able to camp out a strong double block on our OH’s. As we all know, Raina is almost always terminal in a 1 -on-1 situation. Also, there is no way she is only 6’3 if Brooke is 6’0. She has to be about 6’5”. Or Brooke is more like 5’10”
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Post by vbkahuna on Aug 3, 2023 9:08:46 GMT -5
As a former setter you are correct. The GO set to OH is meant to isolate the OH/Blocker. The set is too quick for the opposing teams MB to close the block. JP was a master at the GO set. It gave Quade a ton of 1-1 opportunities. That’s why she was a 1st team AA in 2018. When Raina referred to shoot sets she could also be referring the 3-1 to the MB. 3 feet away from the setter , 1 foot above the net. The set is meant to be placed between the opposing teams OH & MB. The speed of the set is meant to beat the block. Brooke seems to be the type of setter who can push both of the sets even with a pass that isn’t a 3pt pass. A great setter can still set both from behind the 10 ft line. Our moon ball sets of the last few years made our offense slow and predictable. Opposing teams were able to camp out a strong double block on our OH’s. As we all know, Raina is almost always terminal in a 1 -on-1 situation. Also, there is no way she is only 6’3 if Brooke is 6’0. She has to be about 6’5”. Or Brooke is more like 5’10” Personally, I wouldn't even care if she's 4'10" if she continues to hit, block, and set like she's 6'10". Her freshman performance last year as a hitter, for Pete's sake, was awesome. Now we get to watch what our baby kangaroo can do with her hops as a setter.
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Post by ilalum92 on Aug 3, 2023 17:44:06 GMT -5
Improve Illini 2022 stats and receive 2023 NCAA tournament invite: --- .500 record 15-15 (5-5 non-conference, 10-10 BIG) --- lost 8 matches 0-3 --- lost 5 matches 2-3 (winning 0 five set matches) --- lost 15 first sets (lost 12 matches when first set lost) Those 5 set losses were all very winnable. Would have a huge difference in making the tourney and possible getting a seed. They were mostly against ranked foes.
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Post by exit237a on Aug 3, 2023 19:57:58 GMT -5
Improve Illini 2022 stats and receive 2023 NCAA tournament invite: --- .500 record 15-15 (5-5 non-conference, 10-10 BIG) --- lost 8 matches 0-3 --- lost 5 matches 2-3 (winning 0 five set matches) --- lost 15 first sets (lost 12 matches when first set lost) Those 5 set losses were all very winnable. Would have a huge difference in making the tourney and possible getting a seed. They were mostly against ranked foes. The two five set losses at Huff to #5 Purdue and #9 Minnesota, each by two points, were major bummers to see in person- they were so dang close. That Minnesota match was really cool to see though, because Jess Nunge finally got to play front row after recovering from injury and had a great match and impact on her team after subbing in early.
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Post by ilalum92 on Aug 3, 2023 22:30:24 GMT -5
T-23 days until the 1st match
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Post by kevinmalone on Aug 4, 2023 10:38:21 GMT -5
Or Brooke is more like 5’10” Personally, I wouldn't even care if she's 4'10" if she continues to hit, block, and set like she's 6'10". Her freshman performance last year as a hitter, for Pete's sake, was awesome. Now we get to watch what our baby kangaroo can do with her hops as a setter. She hit .151
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Post by vbkahuna on Aug 4, 2023 11:21:50 GMT -5
Personally, I wouldn't even care if she's 4'10" if she continues to hit, block, and set like she's 6'10". Her freshman performance last year as a hitter, for Pete's sake, was awesome. Now we get to watch what our baby kangaroo can do with her hops as a setter. She hit .151 I wasn't grading her like a starting OH. She came in as a setter. She was a freshman. And she filled in on the fly as a hitter. In the Big Ten. And she had several outstanding games both hitting and blocking. She was an inspiration to her team mates, and to Illini fans. And the Big Ten voted her on to the All-Freshman Team. It's clear to the Big Ten coaches she's a special talent. To those of us who aren't anal-retentive, that's pretty awesome. But hey, you be you.
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Post by killvballer4life on Aug 4, 2023 12:37:06 GMT -5
If I were Illini AD I’d start making a short list of potential Tamas replacements. After 2018 I was so excited about the future of Illinois because they played multiple DS’s and put emphasis on floor defense and passing. Coming from the Nebraska coaching tree I thought it was here to stay. Much like DBK has done at Louisville. That along with the exposure of the final four and Illini legends winning gold I thought for sure the future was bright. But these last 4 years have not been pretty. So much in state talent that leaves and the passing and floor D has been awful. Yet they make no adjustments and for the last few year Illinois has chosen to have a libero and one, MAYBE two DSs on the roster. How do you even challenge yourself and get better in the practice gym with one Libero and one DS?? You can’t, and it shows in every match. Not to mention the current Libero is very sub par for the conference and I’ll bet recruited for the name. Its hard to watch.
There is no reason a school like Illinois shouldn’t be making the tourney every year. Watching B10 media days Tamas doesn’t even seem to have a defined path to better a .500 season. He just alluded to injuries and past success. And to give Jen Tamas the 3rd paid assistant position is a joke. Not at all to discredit her experience and knowledge of the game at all - she herself deserves that position. But on the flip side of that she has been with the team to some extent the whole Tamas tenure in an unofficial role. And results have been getting worse over time. Why not use that opportunity to bring in a new mind? New recruiter to keep the instate talent instate? Something to try to better the team. Currently the only thing it betters is the Tamas household finances.
Am I the only one feeling this way and almost hopeless about the future?
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