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Post by mln59 on Feb 13, 2023 7:25:05 GMT -5
Now I don’t agree with coming into another schools thread and being even a little bit disparaging about their head coach but rather than actually engage in the conversation that was started, SOME of you got REALLY see-you-next-Tuesday-y about the Hawaii program and it’s coach. Again, I get the reason to default to reactionary Texas-fan after what was said but as much as I like the program, but there are some glaring reasons as to why one would not see Elliot as a “good coach”. Not that I agree but I don’t see the point of running away from conflict if you feel like your contradictory opinion is the right one and Wahinefan44 is in the wrong. Pero like………. when it comes to Elliot and coaching……there is that glaring elephant in the room that fans of the program guys overlook and don’t seem to be able to look at objectively. Idk, just a poorly handled exchange on both sides which I thought I’d throw my 2cents in as I really like both programs and have for years. What’s the glaring elephant in the room, in your opinion? found a picture of the elephant
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Post by horns1 on Feb 13, 2023 9:06:12 GMT -5
Now I don’t agree with coming into another schools thread and being even a little bit disparaging about their head coach but rather than actually engage in the conversation that was started, SOME of you got REALLY see-you-next-Tuesday-y about the Hawaii program and it’s coach. Again, I get the reason to default to reactionary Texas-fan after what was said but as much as I like the program, but there are some glaring reasons as to why one would not see Elliot as a “good coach”. Not that I agree but I don’t see the point of running away from conflict if you feel like your contradictory opinion is the right one and Wahinefan44 is in the wrong. Pero like………. when it comes to Elliot and coaching……there is that glaring elephant in the room that fans of the program guys overlook and don’t seem to be able to look at objectively. Idk, just a poorly handled exchange on both sides which I thought I’d throw my 2cents in as I really like both programs and have for years. Who made the rule: only a fan of titled thread can comment? Ridiculous! Anyone can comment on any thread: did we make this rule because we want to avoid an opposing hearing disparaging remarks about our coach? I think yes!? If you only want folks who support nebraska or texas start a website just for your team and make everyone show their ID at the door! But this is “volleytalk” where we talk about everyone in the game of volleyball! So Knock Elliot and Knock Cook: there is plenty to go around: 2 cali boys who left VB lamd to make their fortunes: appears Elliot doing a little better than cook at the moment: based on where Texas was when Elliot took over and where Nebraska was when cook took over: and if you look at programs they were at before present situation: elliot took USC to final four his last year i dont think cook had same success at Wiscy! And recently he hasnt beaten the team he left to come to nebraska? Hmmm just thinking our loud without looking up any facts Nobody stated someone is prohibited from posting wherever and whatever they want. But, for anyone coming to this thread to talk sh!t like Wahinefann44 did, then I have the right to quote reply in whatever fashion I choose. And, I won't hold back. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. And, if I have to go to the Hawaii thread to talk sh!t about Robyn to prove my point, I can do it just as easily.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Feb 13, 2023 10:07:26 GMT -5
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Post by hgc159 on Feb 13, 2023 10:13:25 GMT -5
I was wondering where the beach matches would be played.
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Post by longhorn9214 on Feb 13, 2023 10:39:21 GMT -5
I was wondering where the beach matches would be played. We don't have any matches in Austin this year.
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 13, 2023 11:45:36 GMT -5
Now I don’t agree with coming into another schools thread and being even a little bit disparaging about their head coach but rather than actually engage in the conversation that was started, SOME of you got REALLY see-you-next-Tuesday-y about the Hawaii program and it’s coach. Again, I get the reason to default to reactionary Texas-fan after what was said but as much as I like the program, but there are some glaring reasons as to why one would not see Elliot as a “good coach”. Not that I agree but I don’t see the point of running away from conflict if you feel like your contradictory opinion is the right one and Wahinefan44 is in the wrong. Pero like………. when it comes to Elliot and coaching……there is that glaring elephant in the room that fans of the program guys overlook and don’t seem to be able to look at objectively. Idk, just a poorly handled exchange on both sides which I thought I’d throw my 2cents in as I really like both programs and have for years. What’s the glaring elephant in the room, in your opinion? BTW, I don’t agree about people coming on here and posting whatever. What is this conversation sidetracking us from, exactly? It’s not just this thread that’s pretty much dead. The whole board is dead for the most part. A little “Elliott is not a good coach” conversation livens things up a bit, IMO, Better than some dullard regularly objectifying the Texas players. Also, I have nothing but respect for the Hawaii program and it’s fans. It’s a historic program with a community support for all levels of volleyball that stands on its own. Geography, resources of the athletic department (which is in large part a consequence of geography) and the massive growth of the sport on the mainland has shifted Hawaii’s position of prominence, but the passion of the fans and community for the sport hasn’t changed one iota That said, I still stand by my statement that Elliott would have produced better results over the last 20 years than what Hawaii has actually achieved, because what makes Elliott elite as a program manager are entirely transferable skills, and do not require a specific program to be successful. I’ll also say that if my handle is TexasFan1234 and I go post on the Wisconsin thread about how Sheffield is not that great of a coach (which I don’t believe, but hypothetically) you better believe there’s going to be some clap back about the Texas program. That’s only natural. Agreed, the wealth of the state of Texas’ club scene especially has the program often with the ability to take its pick when it comes to some of the best players in the country because a lot of them are home grown. As much as I love Hawaii, money talks and kids these days like to flex on their socials and you can’t do much better than Austin, Texas. Imo the glaring elephant in the room is that even though everyone has been able to drown out the story with all these amazing transfers in, the transfers out of Fields, Iosia, Cabello, and others is still something that should be looked at. Yes there were some injuries in there that applied to a few but also some completely healthy athletes who simply did not feel as if they were developing into the best version of themselves as an athlete within the Texas program. To me, that’s AT LEAST an orange flag lol. I think it was way for fans to write off Iosia has a subpar Libero and Fields has self-centered like in was reading on here, when I think at some point it had to come down to how the staff is developing them and what their long term plans are for their players. If the only plan is to win and throw out the best combination of players that helps make that a high probability, then I can see why a player would think twice about committing to Texas in this current state of college volleyball. Because the focus is not on the individual player’s growth and improvement but rather whether or not that player contributes to what the program needs to win right then and there. Texas is doing an amazing job bringing in some of the best players in the country, however I can’t really point to very many players who were/are 4 year starters who had demonstrably improved individual games from when they started at UT. Does that mean Elliot is a bad coach? Eh debatable but not necessarily. I think it makes him a coach that has the luxury of not needing to care about developing players because he can have his pick of transfers if any of his current players were not panning out to his liking.
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 13, 2023 11:52:49 GMT -5
And all that is in contrast to a coach like Robyn Ah-Mow who absolutely does not have her pick of players but has been able to develop the ones she has in a way that is noticeable in those players from season to season.
Post season showings are not the end all be all of judging a coach’s worth, forget who mentioned something about Hawaii being beaten by Tonya but on its face that was a stupid take that doesn’t mean anything.
Hawaii fans have seen the growth of players’ individual games while playing for Robyn and sure maybe some have lower ceilings than your average Texas commit/player but it’s about whether or not the players are reaching that ceiling by the time they graduate.
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Post by mln59 on Feb 13, 2023 11:57:01 GMT -5
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Post by hgc159 on Feb 13, 2023 15:05:40 GMT -5
I was wondering where the beach matches would be played. We don't have any matches in Austin this year. Ah. I did not know that.
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Post by hgc159 on Feb 13, 2023 15:06:01 GMT -5
IF Texas were going to have any matches in Austin this year, I suppose they would be played at the Intramural Fields. It has been a while since I was out there. I was not aware they had installed sand courts.
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Post by hgc159 on Feb 13, 2023 15:15:28 GMT -5
Back when I was in school, Whitaker Fields consisted of a shack surrounded by grassy areas with a couple of light poles seemingly placed at random. No scoreboards. Some run down tennis courts that usually had standing water in one end. Sometimes you would be lucky and the nets would be "up". There weren't even restrooms. The facility looks really nice now.
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Post by eotexas5 on Feb 13, 2023 15:27:24 GMT -5
And all that is in contrast to a coach like Robyn Ah-Mow who absolutely does not have her pick of players but has been able to develop the ones she has in a way that is noticeable in those players from season to season. Post season showings are not the end all be all of judging a coach’s worth, forget who mentioned something about Hawaii being beaten by Tonya but on its face that was a stupid take that doesn’t mean anything. Hawaii fans have seen the growth of players’ individual games while playing for Robyn and sure maybe some have lower ceilings than your average Texas commit/player but it’s about whether or not the players are reaching that ceiling by the time they graduate. oh sis, you are REACHING! lol Go gaslight someone else, plz
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Post by eotexas5 on Feb 13, 2023 15:30:08 GMT -5
What’s the glaring elephant in the room, in your opinion? BTW, I don’t agree about people coming on here and posting whatever. What is this conversation sidetracking us from, exactly? It’s not just this thread that’s pretty much dead. The whole board is dead for the most part. A little “Elliott is not a good coach” conversation livens things up a bit, IMO, Better than some dullard regularly objectifying the Texas players. Also, I have nothing but respect for the Hawaii program and it’s fans. It’s a historic program with a community support for all levels of volleyball that stands on its own. Geography, resources of the athletic department (which is in large part a consequence of geography) and the massive growth of the sport on the mainland has shifted Hawaii’s position of prominence, but the passion of the fans and community for the sport hasn’t changed one iota That said, I still stand by my statement that Elliott would have produced better results over the last 20 years than what Hawaii has actually achieved, because what makes Elliott elite as a program manager are entirely transferable skills, and do not require a specific program to be successful. I’ll also say that if my handle is TexasFan1234 and I go post on the Wisconsin thread about how Sheffield is not that great of a coach (which I don’t believe, but hypothetically) you better believe there’s going to be some clap back about the Texas program. That’s only natural. Agreed, the wealth of the state of Texas’ club scene especially has the program often with the ability to take its pick when it comes to some of the best players in the country because a lot of them are home grown. As much as I love Hawaii, money talks and kids these days like to flex on their socials and you can’t do much better than Austin, Texas. Imo the glaring elephant in the room is that even though everyone has been able to drown out the story with all these amazing transfers in, the transfers out of Fields, Iosia, Cabello, and others is still something that should be looked at. Yes there were some injuries in there that applied to a few but also some completely healthy athletes who simply did not feel as if they were developing into the best version of themselves as an athlete within the Texas program. To me, that’s AT LEAST an orange flag lol. I think it was way for fans to write off Iosia has a subpar Libero and Fields has self-centered like in was reading on here, when I think at some point it had to come down to how the staff is developing them and what their long term plans are for their players. If the only plan is to win and throw out the best combination of players that helps make that a high probability, then I can see why a player would think twice about committing to Texas in this current state of college volleyball. Because the focus is not on the individual player’s growth and improvement but rather whether or not that player contributes to what the program needs to win right then and there. Texas is doing an amazing job bringing in some of the best players in the country, however I can’t really point to very many players who were/are 4 year starters who had demonstrably improved individual games from when they started at UT. Does that mean Elliot is a bad coach? Eh debatable but not necessarily. I think it makes him a coach that has the luxury of not needing to care about developing players because he can have his pick of transfers if any of his current players were not panning out to his liking. I almost wish we had an example of where a #1 ranked recruit came to Texas and then left for another program where they apparently are the best in the biz at developing players, only to have a mediocre college career and zero professional offers once she graduated and is now living in Dallas doing Marketing...
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Feb 13, 2023 16:03:17 GMT -5
If the only plan is to win and throw out the best combination of players that helps make that a high probability, then I can see why a player would think twice about committing to Texas in this current state of college volleyball. Because the focus is not on the individual player’s growth and improvement but rather whether or not that player contributes to what the program needs to win right then and there. Texas is doing an amazing job bringing in some of the best players in the country , however I can’t really point to very many players who were/are 4 year starters who had demonstrably improved individual games from when they started at UT. Does that mean Elliot is a bad coach? Eh debatable but not necessarily. I think it makes him a coach that has the luxury of not needing to care about developing players because he can have his pick of transfers if any of his current players were not panning out to his liking. WUT. Girl, please. Back that sh!t up. Logan: NPOY. Asjia: #1 nationally in hitting percentage for most of the season. Insane blocking machine during the tournament. Molly: hit .381 as a pin on the season (highest for any pin in a P5 conference) Nope, no individual development there at all.
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Post by horns1 on Feb 13, 2023 16:08:26 GMT -5
What’s the glaring elephant in the room, in your opinion? BTW, I don’t agree about people coming on here and posting whatever. What is this conversation sidetracking us from, exactly? It’s not just this thread that’s pretty much dead. The whole board is dead for the most part. A little “Elliott is not a good coach” conversation livens things up a bit, IMO, Better than some dullard regularly objectifying the Texas players. Also, I have nothing but respect for the Hawaii program and it’s fans. It’s a historic program with a community support for all levels of volleyball that stands on its own. Geography, resources of the athletic department (which is in large part a consequence of geography) and the massive growth of the sport on the mainland has shifted Hawaii’s position of prominence, but the passion of the fans and community for the sport hasn’t changed one iota That said, I still stand by my statement that Elliott would have produced better results over the last 20 years than what Hawaii has actually achieved, because what makes Elliott elite as a program manager are entirely transferable skills, and do not require a specific program to be successful. I’ll also say that if my handle is TexasFan1234 and I go post on the Wisconsin thread about how Sheffield is not that great of a coach (which I don’t believe, but hypothetically) you better believe there’s going to be some clap back about the Texas program. That’s only natural. Agreed, the wealth of the state of Texas’ club scene especially has the program often with the ability to take its pick when it comes to some of the best players in the country because a lot of them are home grown. As much as I love Hawaii, money talks and kids these days like to flex on their socials and you can’t do much better than Austin, Texas. Imo the glaring elephant in the room is that even though everyone has been able to drown out the story with all these amazing transfers in, the transfers out of Fields, Iosia, Cabello, and others is still something that should be looked at. Yes there were some injuries in there that applied to a few but also some completely healthy athletes who simply did not feel as if they were developing into the best version of themselves as an athlete within the Texas program. To me, that’s AT LEAST an orange flag lol. I think it was way for fans to write off Iosia has a subpar Libero and Fields has self-centered like in was reading on here, when I think at some point it had to come down to how the staff is developing them and what their long term plans are for their players. If the only plan is to win and throw out the best combination of players that helps make that a high probability, then I can see why a player would think twice about committing to Texas in this current state of college volleyball. Because the focus is not on the individual player’s growth and improvement but rather whether or not that player contributes to what the program needs to win right then and there. Texas is doing an amazing job bringing in some of the best players in the country, however I can’t really point to very many players who were/are 4 year starters who had demonstrably improved individual games from when they started at UT. Does that mean Elliot is a bad coach? Eh debatable but not necessarily. I think it makes him a coach that has the luxury of not needing to care about developing players because he can have his pick of transfers if any of his current players were not panning out to his liking. That has to be one of the dumbest things you've ever posted on here. Guess Jerritt has gone from "not a good coach" to "(debatable) bad coach" in the eyes of a Hawaii fan who thinks Robyn is the greatest coach since sliced bread. Have you forgotten that the transfer portal is a fairly new thing? Elliott won a national title in 2012 and made several deep runs into the NCAA tournaments with zero transfers. Anyone who starts talking about lack of player development needs to remember names like Lauren Paolini, Leticia Armstrong, Destinee Hooker, Amber Roberson, Michele Kocher, Jhenna Gabriel, etc. who arrived at Texas very raw and were not even close to being the same players after 4 seasons of "development" at Texas.
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