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Post by babybacksets on Feb 13, 2023 16:09:04 GMT -5
And all that is in contrast to a coach like Robyn Ah-Mow who absolutely does not have her pick of players but has been able to develop the ones she has in a way that is noticeable in those players from season to season. Post season showings are not the end all be all of judging a coach’s worth, forget who mentioned something about Hawaii being beaten by Tonya but on its face that was a stupid take that doesn’t mean anything. Hawaii fans have seen the growth of players’ individual games while playing for Robyn and sure maybe some have lower ceilings than your average Texas commit/player but it’s about whether or not the players are reaching that ceiling by the time they graduate. oh sis, you are REACHING! lol Go gaslight someone else, plz Lol you just said nothing
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Post by mln59 on Feb 13, 2023 16:15:21 GMT -5
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Post by uofaGRAD on Feb 13, 2023 16:15:23 GMT -5
Texas players come in better than their players graduate now, so I can understand why they would be inclined to think Texas doesn’t develop players. The better you are, the less room you have to grow, so there probably is an argument that their players “develop” more in their four/five years.
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 13, 2023 16:17:19 GMT -5
If the only plan is to win and throw out the best combination of players that helps make that a high probability, then I can see why a player would think twice about committing to Texas in this current state of college volleyball. Because the focus is not on the individual player’s growth and improvement but rather whether or not that player contributes to what the program needs to win right then and there. Texas is doing an amazing job bringing in some of the best players in the country , however I can’t really point to very many players who were/are 4 year starters who had demonstrably improved individual games from when they started at UT. Does that mean Elliot is a bad coach? Eh debatable but not necessarily. I think it makes him a coach that has the luxury of not needing to care about developing players because he can have his pick of transfers if any of his current players were not panning out to his liking. WUT. Girl, please. Back that sh!t up. Logan: NPOY. Asjia: #1 nationally in highest hitting percentage for most of the season. Insane blocking machine during the tournament. Molly: hit .381 as a pin on the season (highest for any pin in a P5 conference) Nope, no individual development there at all. Not really talking about accolades here, maybe that wasn’t obvious but all I’ll say is that the only one there that I would agree with completely is O’Neal but NOT for blocking, from what I remember she came in a pretty solid blocker already but I think she made strides in her overall game as a server and defender as well as hitting in front of the setter. But Logan was still being DSd at times in her super senior season, up to you if you feel like that was a one off as she started as a 3 rotation pin. Not knocking her as a full player because she definitely advanced as a backrow player. Thought it was a thing here that Molly was not reliable out of system on the rightside? I think the way she is ran offensively plays to her strength and I don’t think it’s all that surprising that her hitting percentage would be high if she’s almost ran like a middle….
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Post by hornshouse23 on Feb 13, 2023 16:21:16 GMT -5
If the only plan is to win and throw out the best combination of players that helps make that a high probability, then I can see why a player would think twice about committing to Texas in this current state of college volleyball. Because the focus is not on the individual player’s growth and improvement but rather whether or not that player contributes to what the program needs to win right then and there. Texas is doing an amazing job bringing in some of the best players in the country , however I can’t really point to very many players who were/are 4 year starters who had demonstrably improved individual games from when they started at UT. Does that mean Elliot is a bad coach? Eh debatable but not necessarily. I think it makes him a coach that has the luxury of not needing to care about developing players because he can have his pick of transfers if any of his current players were not panning out to his liking. WUT. Girl, please. Back that sh!t up. Logan: NPOY. Asjia: #1 nationally in hitting percentage for most of the season. Insane blocking machine during the tournament. Molly: hit .381 as a pin on the season (highest for any pin in a P5 conference) Nope, no individual development there at all. They woke up in August 2022 and just decided it was time to be GOATs. That’s what happened.
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Post by horns1 on Feb 13, 2023 16:29:23 GMT -5
What’s the glaring elephant in the room, in your opinion? BTW, I don’t agree about people coming on here and posting whatever. What is this conversation sidetracking us from, exactly? It’s not just this thread that’s pretty much dead. The whole board is dead for the most part. A little “Elliott is not a good coach” conversation livens things up a bit, IMO, Better than some dullard regularly objectifying the Texas players. Also, I have nothing but respect for the Hawaii program and it’s fans. It’s a historic program with a community support for all levels of volleyball that stands on its own. Geography, resources of the athletic department (which is in large part a consequence of geography) and the massive growth of the sport on the mainland has shifted Hawaii’s position of prominence, but the passion of the fans and community for the sport hasn’t changed one iota That said, I still stand by my statement that Elliott would have produced better results over the last 20 years than what Hawaii has actually achieved, because what makes Elliott elite as a program manager are entirely transferable skills, and do not require a specific program to be successful. I’ll also say that if my handle is TexasFan1234 and I go post on the Wisconsin thread about how Sheffield is not that great of a coach (which I don’t believe, but hypothetically) you better believe there’s going to be some clap back about the Texas program. That’s only natural. Imo the glaring elephant in the room is that even though everyone has been able to drown out the story with all these amazing transfers in, the transfers out of Fields, Iosia, Cabello, and others is still something that should be looked at.
Yes there were some injuries in there that applied to a few but also some completely healthy athletes who simply did not feel as if they were developing into the best version of themselves as an athlete within the Texas program. To me, that’s AT LEAST an orange flag lol. I think it was way for fans to write off Iosia has a subpar Libero and Fields has self-centered like in was reading on here, when I think at some point it had to come down to how the staff is developing them and what their long term plans are for their players.Addition by subtraction. None of those players ended up at a school that has a head coach with a winning track record in the post-season or a proven track record for developing players (that I know of) at an elite level. So, don't pretend you know why they left Texas because their destination contradicts your theory.
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 13, 2023 16:31:54 GMT -5
Agreed, the wealth of the state of Texas’ club scene especially has the program often with the ability to take its pick when it comes to some of the best players in the country because a lot of them are home grown. As much as I love Hawaii, money talks and kids these days like to flex on their socials and you can’t do much better than Austin, Texas. Imo the glaring elephant in the room is that even though everyone has been able to drown out the story with all these amazing transfers in, the transfers out of Fields, Iosia, Cabello, and others is still something that should be looked at. Yes there were some injuries in there that applied to a few but also some completely healthy athletes who simply did not feel as if they were developing into the best version of themselves as an athlete within the Texas program. To me, that’s AT LEAST an orange flag lol. I think it was way for fans to write off Iosia has a subpar Libero and Fields has self-centered like in was reading on here, when I think at some point it had to come down to how the staff is developing them and what their long term plans are for their players. If the only plan is to win and throw out the best combination of players that helps make that a high probability, then I can see why a player would think twice about committing to Texas in this current state of college volleyball. Because the focus is not on the individual player’s growth and improvement but rather whether or not that player contributes to what the program needs to win right then and there. Texas is doing an amazing job bringing in some of the best players in the country, however I can’t really point to very many players who were/are 4 year starters who had demonstrably improved individual games from when they started at UT. Does that mean Elliot is a bad coach? Eh debatable but not necessarily. I think it makes him a coach that has the luxury of not needing to care about developing players because he can have his pick of transfers if any of his current players were not panning out to his liking. That has to be one of the dumbest things you've ever posted on here. Guess Jerritt has gone from "not a good coach" to "(debatable) bad coach" in the eyes of a Hawaii fan who thinks Robyn is the greatest coach since sliced bread. Have you forgotten that the transfer portal is a fairly new thing? Elliott won a national title in 2012 and made several deep runs into the NCAA tournaments with zero transfers. Anyone who starts talking about lack of player development needs to remember names like Lauren Paolini, Leticia Armstrong, Destinee Hooker, Amber Roberson, Michele Kocher, Jhenna Gabriel, etc. who arrived at Texas very raw and were not even close to being the same players after 4 seasons of "development" at Texas. What part of it’s debatable but not necessarily an obvious truth do you not understand? You could’ve just gone with the latter part of naming names and saying what you thought those players improved on from start to finish and why those are examples refute examples of Fields, Iosia, Shook. But no, you went the typical reactionary horns1 route as per usual. Foaming at the mouth with insults and putting words in people’s mouths. 🤷🏾♂️ can’t help you if you can’t engage in a civil discussion about your program. I think Robyn is a great coach, mostly because I’m surprised she’s developed the overall games of players most wouldn’t have even cared much about because they weren’t really on the radar nationally. However it’s still early and she hasn’t even graduated her first recruiting class, so she’s no where close to being considered one of the nation’s best. Is it really this hard for people to not see red immediately when confronted with opinions that aren’t aggrandizing of every aspect of their respective programs? Y’all weird asf lol
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Feb 13, 2023 16:31:55 GMT -5
WUT. Girl, please. Back that sh!t up. Logan: NPOY. Asjia: #1 nationally in highest hitting percentage for most of the season. Insane blocking machine during the tournament. Molly: hit .381 as a pin on the season (highest for any pin in a P5 conference) Nope, no individual development there at all. Not really talking about accolades here, maybe that wasn’t obvious but all I’ll say is that the only one there that I would agree with completely is O’Neal but NOT for blocking, from what I remember she came in a pretty solid blocker already but I think she made strides in her overall game as a server and defender as well as hitting in front of the setter. But Logan was still being DSd at times in her super senior season, up to you if you feel like that was a one off as she started as a 3 rotation pin. Not knocking her as a full player because she definitely advanced as a backrow player. Thought it was a thing here that Molly was not reliable out of system on the rightside? I think the way she is ran offensively plays to her strength and I don’t think it’s all that surprising that her hitting percentage would be high if she’s almost ran like a middle…. Hmmmm, so statistically improving your game in almost every category over a 4 year period doesn't count as "development". Interesting. Wrong, but interesting.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Feb 13, 2023 16:33:07 GMT -5
WUT. Girl, please. Back that sh!t up. Logan: NPOY. Asjia: #1 nationally in highest hitting percentage for most of the season. Insane blocking machine during the tournament. Molly: hit .381 as a pin on the season (highest for any pin in a P5 conference) Nope, no individual development there at all. Not really talking about accolades here, maybe that wasn’t obvious but all I’ll say is that the only one there that I would agree with completely is O’Neal but NOT for blocking, from what I remember she came in a pretty solid blocker already but I think she made strides in her overall game as a server and defender as well as hitting in front of the setter. But Logan was still being DSd at times in her super senior season, up to you if you feel like that was a one off as she started as a 3 rotation pin. Not knocking her as a full player because she definitely advanced as a backrow player. Thought it was a thing here that Molly was not reliable out of system on the rightside? I think the way she is ran offensively plays to her strength and I don’t think it’s all that surprising that her hitting percentage would be high if she’s almost ran like a middle…. Yeah, butt… yeah, butt… yeah, butt…
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Feb 13, 2023 16:34:50 GMT -5
Yeah, butt… yeah, butt… yeah, butt… Meme or it didn't happen
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Post by photos1 on Feb 13, 2023 16:36:36 GMT -5
Agreed, the wealth of the state of Texas’ club scene especially has the program often with the ability to take its pick when it comes to some of the best players in the country because a lot of them are home grown. As much as I love Hawaii, money talks and kids these days like to flex on their socials and you can’t do much better than Austin, Texas. Imo the glaring elephant in the room is that even though everyone has been able to drown out the story with all these amazing transfers in, the transfers out of Fields, Iosia, Cabello, and others is still something that should be looked at. Yes there were some injuries in there that applied to a few but also some completely healthy athletes who simply did not feel as if they were developing into the best version of themselves as an athlete within the Texas program. To me, that’s AT LEAST an orange flag lol. I think it was way for fans to write off Iosia has a subpar Libero and Fields has self-centered like in was reading on here, when I think at some point it had to come down to how the staff is developing them and what their long term plans are for their players. If the only plan is to win and throw out the best combination of players that helps make that a high probability, then I can see why a player would think twice about committing to Texas in this current state of college volleyball. Because the focus is not on the individual player’s growth and improvement but rather whether or not that player contributes to what the program needs to win right then and there. Texas is doing an amazing job bringing in some of the best players in the country, however I can’t really point to very many players who were/are 4 year starters who had demonstrably improved individual games from when they started at UT. Does that mean Elliot is a bad coach? Eh debatable but not necessarily. I think it makes him a coach that has the luxury of not needing to care about developing players because he can have his pick of transfers if any of his current players were not panning out to his liking. I almost wish we had an example of where a #1 ranked recruit came to Texas and then left for another program where they apparently are the best in the biz at developing players, only to have a mediocre college career and zero professional offers once she graduated and is now living in Dallas doing Marketing... I too, also wish we had an example of where a #1 recruit went to Texas and then left for another program where they are the best in the biz at developing players, where the former #1 recruit didn’t arrive at the “best in the biz developmental school” not damaged to the point she where was unable to participate in summer or fall practices and did not begin the year in the line-up and was never able to fully recover. Yeah, it would have been a great story if her two semester stay at Texas didn’t result in a chronic debilitating injury… that indeed could have been a great story. Some schools take student’s health and welfare much more serious than others… maybe someone should look into this. 🏐
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 13, 2023 16:36:45 GMT -5
Not really talking about accolades here, maybe that wasn’t obvious but all I’ll say is that the only one there that I would agree with completely is O’Neal but NOT for blocking, from what I remember she came in a pretty solid blocker already but I think she made strides in her overall game as a server and defender as well as hitting in front of the setter. But Logan was still being DSd at times in her super senior season, up to you if you feel like that was a one off as she started as a 3 rotation pin. Not knocking her as a full player because she definitely advanced as a backrow player. Thought it was a thing here that Molly was not reliable out of system on the rightside? I think the way she is ran offensively plays to her strength and I don’t think it’s all that surprising that her hitting percentage would be high if she’s almost ran like a middle…. Hmmmm, so statistically improving your game in almost every category over a 4 year period doesn't count as "development". Interesting. Wrong, but interesting. Literally didn’t say that. Said that accolades aren’t a metric I’m quick to use as an example of individual growth. I would imagine Players continue to get better as they keep at their respective sport, what I’m talking about is if that player has improved in aspects that aren’t already Strengths of theirs.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Feb 13, 2023 16:37:21 GMT -5
In the group photo, can everyone identify every one of the players?
Need help identifying 3rd from bottom right. And #3 and #5 from the right top.
Notice that JE's wife was practicing with them?
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Post by mln59 on Feb 13, 2023 16:42:55 GMT -5
In the group photo, can everyone identify every one of the players?
Need help identifying 3rd from bottom right. And #3 and #5 from the right top.
Notice that JE's wife was practicing with them?
bottom left is emma.
glad i could help
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Post by texaslonghorns on Feb 13, 2023 16:43:09 GMT -5
third bottom right Kenna Third top right is bella fifth top right is jordyn I think
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