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Post by babybacksets on Feb 13, 2023 16:44:19 GMT -5
Not really talking about accolades here, maybe that wasn’t obvious but all I’ll say is that the only one there that I would agree with completely is O’Neal but NOT for blocking, from what I remember she came in a pretty solid blocker already but I think she made strides in her overall game as a server and defender as well as hitting in front of the setter. But Logan was still being DSd at times in her super senior season, up to you if you feel like that was a one off as she started as a 3 rotation pin. Not knocking her as a full player because she definitely advanced as a backrow player. Thought it was a thing here that Molly was not reliable out of system on the rightside? I think the way she is ran offensively plays to her strength and I don’t think it’s all that surprising that her hitting percentage would be high if she’s almost ran like a middle…. Yeah, butt… yeah, butt… yeah, butt… I mean…stay mad all you want… All I’m saying is that these are all incredible players that you mentioned who grew at what they were strong at. I already mentioned I am 100% in agreement at O’Neal. I don’t know if Logan being DSd was even that big of a deal. She was obviously good enough to be relied on as a passer and defender when it mattered. I think when Molly can be reliable on getting a majority of junky oos high balls, I think that will be indicative of her growth from what wasn’t a prior strength. I don’t think I’m saying anything remotely rude unless you are all just being quick to being reactionary and going on the defensive. Just engage with what is being said civilly or don’t. What is the actual problem? The cattiness is unnecessary
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Post by eotexas5 on Feb 13, 2023 16:47:49 GMT -5
I almost wish we had an example of where a #1 ranked recruit came to Texas and then left for another program where they apparently are the best in the biz at developing players, only to have a mediocre college career and zero professional offers once she graduated and is now living in Dallas doing Marketing... I too, also wish we had an example of where a #1 recruit went to Texas and then left for another program where they are the best in the biz at developing players, where the former #1 recruit didn’t arrive at the “best in the biz developmental school” not damaged to the point she where was unable to participate in summer or fall practices and did not begin the year in the line-up and was never able to fully recover. Yeah, it would have been a great story if her two semester stay at Texas didn’t result in a chronic debilitating injury… that indeed could have been a great story. Some schools take student’s health and welfare much more serious than others… maybe someone should look into this. 🏐 I know right! This is the very reason Capri Davis left in the first place!
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Post by hornshouse23 on Feb 13, 2023 16:53:55 GMT -5
I’m excited for beach season and that I get to see the team in Long Beach! Sans volleybae this time but that’s okay.
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Post by stevehorn on Feb 13, 2023 16:53:56 GMT -5
In the group photo, can everyone identify every one of the players?
Need help identifying 3rd from bottom right. And #3 and #5 from the right top.
Notice that JE's wife was practicing with them?
I believe the one on the bottom is McKenna Miller. Is JE's wife practicing or is she perhaps one of the coaches? Remember Elliott said that he is not coaching beach.
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 13, 2023 16:56:33 GMT -5
Imo the glaring elephant in the room is that even though everyone has been able to drown out the story with all these amazing transfers in, the transfers out of Fields, Iosia, Cabello, and others is still something that should be looked at.
Yes there were some injuries in there that applied to a few but also some completely healthy athletes who simply did not feel as if they were developing into the best version of themselves as an athlete within the Texas program. To me, that’s AT LEAST an orange flag lol. I think it was way for fans to write off Iosia has a subpar Libero and Fields has self-centered like in was reading on here, when I think at some point it had to come down to how the staff is developing them and what their long term plans are for their players. Addition by subtraction. None of those players ended up at a school that has a head coach with a winning track record in the post-season or for developing players (that I know of). So, don't pretend you know why they left Texas because their destination contradicts your theory. Wait addition by subtraction? Wtf? So are you saying that all those players who came in as some of the best players in their respective positions simply were never going to be good enough and were better off at lesser programs with coaches that have to focus on selling themselves on what their plans are to develop their athlete individually rather than just saying, “it’s Texas, of course you want to come here”? As far as I know, neither of us knows the extent to what was discussed by those transfers and their respective schools about what the plans were for them so there isn’t really anything contradicted. Maybe you disagree but I think these are just conversations that can be had, especially in the off season, without so much animosity behind it. There isn’t a reason to be mad and not engage. Obviously what I’m saying is going to be annoying at first, but take is as an opportunity to prove your point and die-hard Texas fans can easily put down the narrative that Jerritt can’t coach, develop players, etc. Like it’s the off season, are y’all gonna just keep patting your backs all the way til Fall? I would think this was a stronger, less insecure fanbase than that.
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Post by horns1 on Feb 13, 2023 16:57:40 GMT -5
That has to be one of the dumbest things you've ever posted on here. Guess Jerritt has gone from "not a good coach" to "(debatable) bad coach" in the eyes of a Hawaii fan who thinks Robyn is the greatest coach since sliced bread. Have you forgotten that the transfer portal is a fairly new thing? Elliott won a national title in 2012 and made several deep runs into the NCAA tournaments with zero transfers. Anyone who starts talking about lack of player development needs to remember names like Lauren Paolini, Leticia Armstrong, Destinee Hooker, Amber Roberson, Michele Kocher, Jhenna Gabriel, etc. who arrived at Texas very raw and were not even close to being the same players after 4 seasons of "development" at Texas. What part of it’s debatable but not necessarily an obvious truth do you not understand? You could’ve just gone with the latter part of naming names and saying what you thought those players improved on from start to finish and why those are examples refute examples of Fields, Iosia, Shook. But no, you went the typical reactionary horns1 route as per usual. Foaming at the mouth with insults and putting words in people’s mouths. 🤷🏾♂️ can’t help you if you can’t engage in a civil discussion about your program. I think Robyn is a great coach, mostly because I’m surprised she’s developed the overall games of players most wouldn’t have even cared much about because they weren’t really on the radar nationally. However it’s still early and she hasn’t even graduated her first recruiting class, so she’s no where close to being considered one of the nation’s best. Is it really this hard for people to not see red immediately when confronted with opinions that aren’t aggrandizing of every aspect of their respective programs? Y’all weird asf lol Don't post stupid things if you don't want to be called out as stupid. This was your statement: " Does that mean Elliot is a bad coach? Eh debatable but not necessarily."There is nothing "debatable" about it because he's not. Why you felt the need to even type that is stupid. Robyn is a mediocre coach. She's done nothing to prove otherwise. You can give her pats on the back for your perception that she's "developed players", but that won't help her keep her job if she's not winning in the post-season at an acceptable level for her boss.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Feb 13, 2023 16:59:22 GMT -5
Yeah, butt… yeah, butt… yeah, butt… I mean…stay mad all you want… All I’m saying is that these are all incredible players that you mentioned who grew at what they were strong at. I already mentioned I am 100% in agreement at O’Neal. I don’t know if Logan being DSd was even that big of a deal. She was obviously good enough to be relied on as a passer and defender when it mattered. I think when Molly can be reliable on getting a majority of junky oos high balls, I think that will be indicative of her growth from what wasn’t a prior strength. I don’t think I’m saying anything remotely rude unless you are all just being quick to being reactionary and going on the defensive. Just engage with what is being said civilly or don’t. What is the actual problem? The cattiness is unnecessary I’m not mad at all and I think this conversation is quite comical. Sorry you took that as cattiness. I just think it’s comical when people make statements and then Backtrack when the stats and facts don’t support they statement. But whomst am I? 🤷🏾♂️
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Post by horns1 on Feb 13, 2023 17:00:16 GMT -5
Addition by subtraction. None of those players ended up at a school that has a head coach with a winning track record in the post-season or for developing players (that I know of). So, don't pretend you know why they left Texas because their destination contradicts your theory. Like it’s the off season, are y’all gonna just keep patting your backs all the way til Fall? I would think this was a stronger, less insecure fanbase than that. Ah, the real reason why the 2 Hawaii fans are trolling so desperately in this thread . . .
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Post by hornshouse23 on Feb 13, 2023 17:02:33 GMT -5
I too, also wish we had an example of where a #1 recruit went to Texas and then left for another program where they are the best in the biz at developing players, where the former #1 recruit didn’t arrive at the “best in the biz developmental school” not damaged to the point she where was unable to participate in summer or fall practices and did not begin the year in the line-up and was never able to fully recover. Yeah, it would have been a great story if her two semester stay at Texas didn’t result in a chronic debilitating injury… that indeed could have been a great story. Some schools take student’s health and welfare much more serious than others… maybe someone should look into this. 🏐 I know right! This is the very reason Capri Davis left in the first place! Ebony was publicly banged up when she got to Texas from USC. I don’t think going toe to toe against our trainers and managers is the kind of smoke this poster wants.
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Post by horns1 on Feb 13, 2023 17:08:24 GMT -5
Addition by subtraction. None of those players ended up at a school that has a head coach with a winning track record in the post-season or for developing players (that I know of). So, don't pretend you know why they left Texas because their destination contradicts your theory. Wait addition by subtraction? Wtf? So are you saying that all those players who came in as some of the best players in their respective positions simply were never going to be good enough and were better off at lesser programs with coaches that have to focus on selling themselves on what their plans are to develop their athlete individually rather than just saying, “it’s Texas, of course you want to come here”? As far as I know, neither of us knows the extent to what was discussed by those transfers and their respective schools about what the plans were for them so there isn’t really anything contradicted. Maybe you disagree but I think these are just conversations that can be had, especially in the off season, without so much animosity behind it. There isn’t a reason to be mad and not engage. Obviously what I’m saying is going to be annoying at first, but take is as an opportunity to prove your point and die-hard Texas fans can easily put down the narrative that Jerritt can’t coach, develop players, etc. Like it’s the off season, are y’all gonna just keep patting your backs all the way til Fall? I would think this was a stronger, less insecure fanbase than that. Who said they were the best at their respective positions coming out of high school? One subjective recruiting service? Sometimes coaching staffs don't make the proper evaluations. Or, when a player arrives at college, they don't always perform up to certain expectations (their own or the coaches'); sometimes a change of scenery is best. The players you mentioned ended up at NC State, Michigan State, USC, and UNLV; I guess those programs had something Texas didn't (but I can't know for sure what it was other than playing time).
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Post by stevehorn on Feb 13, 2023 17:13:01 GMT -5
Yeah, butt… yeah, butt… yeah, butt… I mean…stay mad all you want… All I’m saying is that these are all incredible players that you mentioned who grew at what they were strong at. I already mentioned I am 100% in agreement at O’Neal. I don’t know if Logan being DSd was even that big of a deal. She was obviously good enough to be relied on as a passer and defender when it mattered. I think when Molly can be reliable on getting a majority of junky oos high balls, I think that will be indicative of her growth from what wasn’t a prior strength. I don’t think I’m saying anything remotely rude unless you are all just being quick to being reactionary and going on the defensive. Just engage with what is being said civilly or don’t. What is the actual problem? The cattiness is unnecessary Hilarious that you keep changing your story as you keep getting presented with facts. Cattiness started with you.
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Feb 13, 2023 17:41:36 GMT -5
I know right! This is the very reason Capri Davis left in the first place! Ebony was publicly banged up when she got to Texas from USC. I don’t think going toe to toe against our trainers and managers is the kind of smoke this poster wants. Yeah, we're not the team that had an all-American MB with a debilitating back injury (Stivrins), followed by a setter with a debilitating back injury (Hames) and another setter with a re-injured knee (Orr) and a DS with a career-ending knee injury (Knuckles)
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Feb 13, 2023 17:44:01 GMT -5
Like it’s the off season, are y’all gonna just keep patting your backs all the way til Fall? Yes. Absolutely. I'm enjoying my team being the reigning National Champions every minute of every day.
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Post by mln59 on Feb 13, 2023 17:45:16 GMT -5
Like it’s the off season, are y’all gonna just keep patting your backs all the way til Fall? Yes. Absolutely. I'm enjoying my team being the reigning National Champions every minute of every day. it's a pretty good feeling
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 13, 2023 17:49:13 GMT -5
Gonna chime in.
I fully expected people to disagree with me. That is the nature of this board. Just because I am not a Texas fan, doesn’t mean I’m barred from entering or commenting on things (just like how some of you who disagreed with me, liked my post about John cook being awful) opinions are allowed.
However what I expected was a tactful and eye opening discussion, with valid points being raised, factual basis in regard to your coach (which some of you did), however most of you went straight too (lol Hawaii sucks you’re one to talk).
Me being a Hawaii fan, has nothing to do with Elliot’s coaching ability. Whether I am a Nebraska, Penn state, Hawaii, northern illinois or Alcorn state fan, I have a right to my opinion, and the “lol you can’t talk your team sucks” post just show how little some of you understand the game not want to participate in an intellectual discussion. Had someone came to the Hawaii thread and. Said “Robyn isn’t the best coach” I wouldn’t respond with ad hominems. I would respond in a way to defend my coach and her coaching abilities.
Ask anyone with a coaching background, which could be the numerous and I mean numerous high level club, college coaches etc on this board, and I would be 1000 dollars thay they would agree with me more than you, that Elliot’s coaching is not why Texas is winning.
Once again; I never said Elliot knew nothing about the sport. He certainly knows more than me, but your blind if you think Elliot’s technical coaching ability is the reason Texas is winning
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