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Post by eyeroll2021 on Feb 13, 2023 17:49:30 GMT -5
Yes. Absolutely. I'm enjoying my team being the reigning National Champions every minute of every day. it's a pretty good feeling We should get together and re-enact the confetti angels. That looked like fun.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 17:50:08 GMT -5
Like it’s the off season, are y’all gonna just keep patting your backs all the way til Fall? I would think this was a stronger, less insecure fanbase than that. Ah, the real reason why the 2 Hawaii fans are trolling so desperately in this thread . . . Kahahawai and Akana look so good in burnt orange. Don’t you agree? 😈
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Feb 13, 2023 18:04:24 GMT -5
Gonna chime in. I fully expected people to disagree with me. That is the nature of this board. Just because I am not a Texas fan, doesn’t mean I’m barred from entering or commenting on things (just like how some of you who disagreed with me, liked my post about John cook being awful) opinions are allowed. However what I expected was a tactful and eye opening discussion, with valid points being raised, factual basis in regard to your coach (which some of you did), however most of you went straight too (lol Hawaii sucks you’re one to talk). Me being a Hawaii fan, has nothing to do with Elliot’s coaching ability. Whether I am a Nebraska, Penn state, Hawaii, northern illinois or Alcorn state fan, I have a right to my opinion, and the “lol you can’t talk your team sucks” post just show how little some of you understand the game not want to participate in an intellectual discussion. Had someone came to the Hawaii thread and. Said “Robyn isn’t the best coach” I wouldn’t respond with ad hominems. I would respond in a way to defend my coach and her coaching abilities. Ask anyone with a coaching background, which could be the numerous and I mean numerous high level club, college coaches etc on this board, and I would be 1000 dollars thay they would agree with me more than you, that Elliot’s coaching is not why Texas is winning. Once again; I never said Elliot knew nothing about the sport. He certainly knows more than me, but your blind if you think Elliot’s technical coaching ability is the reason Texas is winning Honestly, what are you trying to accomplish here? Do you think you're going to convince Texas fans on the Texas thread that our coach sucks, right after we won the natty? You sound shocked that we don't agree with you.
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Post by horns1 on Feb 13, 2023 18:05:28 GMT -5
Ah, the real reason why the 2 Hawaii fans are trolling so desperately in this thread . . . Kahahawai and Akana look so good in burnt orange. Don’t you agree? 😈 As good as Sydney Yogi, Khat Brooks, and Sarah Palmer
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 13, 2023 18:07:47 GMT -5
Gonna chime in. I fully expected people to disagree with me. That is the nature of this board. Just because I am not a Texas fan, doesn’t mean I’m barred from entering or commenting on things (just like how some of you who disagreed with me, liked my post about John cook being awful) opinions are allowed. However what I expected was a tactful and eye opening discussion, with valid points being raised, factual basis in regard to your coach (which some of you did), however most of you went straight too (lol Hawaii sucks you’re one to talk). Me being a Hawaii fan, has nothing to do with Elliot’s coaching ability. Whether I am a Nebraska, Penn state, Hawaii, northern illinois or Alcorn state fan, I have a right to my opinion, and the “lol you can’t talk your team sucks” post just show how little some of you understand the game not want to participate in an intellectual discussion. Had someone came to the Hawaii thread and. Said “Robyn isn’t the best coach” I wouldn’t respond with ad hominems. I would respond in a way to defend my coach and her coaching abilities. Ask anyone with a coaching background, which could be the numerous and I mean numerous high level club, college coaches etc on this board, and I would be 1000 dollars thay they would agree with me more than you, that Elliot’s coaching is not why Texas is winning. Once again; I never said Elliot knew nothing about the sport. He certainly knows more than me, but your blind if you think Elliot’s technical coaching ability is the reason Texas is winning Honestly, what are you trying to accomplish here? Do you think you're going to convince Texas fans on the Texas thread that our coach sucks, right after we won the natty? You sound shocked that we don't agree with you. I’m not shocked. I’m open to discussion (as well as discussion from non Texas fans, which again, this is an open message board). I don’t expect you guys to agree with me. Doesn’t mean I can’t opine tho However, what I expected as a open discussion, that was thought provoking. Not childish arguments. But again, that’s most of volleytalk so I was the naive one for thinking that would happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 18:10:15 GMT -5
And all that is in contrast to a coach like Robyn Ah-Mow who absolutely does not have her pick of players but has been able to develop the ones she has in a way that is noticeable in those players from season to season. Post season showings are not the end all be all of judging a coach’s worth, forget who mentioned something about Hawaii being beaten by Tonya but on its face that was a stupid take that doesn’t mean anything. Hawaii fans have seen the growth of players’ individual games while playing for Robyn and sure maybe some have lower ceilings than your average Texas commit/player but it’s about whether or not the players are reaching that ceiling by the time they graduate. Why is that? Hawaii is a beautiful island with amazing food, culture and people. Plus the weather is near perfect year around unlike say Minnesota, Wisconsin, Oregon, Penn State, Marquette, BYU (plus they have the mor... nvm), Creighton, Purdue, tOSU... you get the point. They also have an ex olympian as their HC. They're historically one of the most successful programs in the nation and they have an amazingly supportive fanbase. So why don't they get their pick of the litter?
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Feb 13, 2023 18:14:51 GMT -5
Honestly, what are you trying to accomplish here? Do you think you're going to convince Texas fans on the Texas thread that our coach sucks, right after we won the natty? You sound shocked that we don't agree with you. I’m not shocked. I’m open to discussion (as well as discussion from non Texas fans, which again, this is an open message board). I don’t expect you guys to agree with me. Doesn’t mean I can’t opine tho However, what I expected as a open discussion, that was thought provoking. Not childish arguments. But again, that’s most of volleytalk so I was the naive one for thinking that would happen. You certainly have unrealistic expectations, that's for sure. Threads for specific teams are overwhelmingly populated by fans of that team. Try going into the Nebraska thread and saying something bad about Cook. You're going to get the same reaction.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 18:29:37 GMT -5
WUT. Girl, please. Back that sh!t up. Logan: NPOY. Asjia: #1 nationally in highest hitting percentage for most of the season. Insane blocking machine during the tournament. Molly: hit .381 as a pin on the season (highest for any pin in a P5 conference) Nope, no individual development there at all. Not really talking about accolades here, maybe that wasn’t obvious but all I’ll say is that the only one there that I would agree with completely is O’Neal but NOT for blocking, from what I remember she came in a pretty solid blocker already but I think she made strides in her overall game as a server and defender as well as hitting in front of the setter. But Logan was still being DSd at times in her super senior season, up to you if you feel like that was a one off as she started as a 3 rotation pin. Not knocking her as a full player because she definitely advanced as a backrow player. Thought it was a thing here that Molly was not reliable out of system on the rightside? I think the way she is ran offensively plays to her strength and I don’t think it’s all that surprising that her hitting percentage would be high if she’s almost ran like a middle…. I have a few questions. 1) Is it not possible that Logan was DS'd during some of Texas's less crucial games to better improve and develop other athletes such as Skinner and Halter? 2) If accolades (AA, AR, NC, NPOY, etc.) doesn't mean success, then what does to you? 3) In an interview in 2022 (I forget which one) O'Neal stated JE told her this year she needed to focus mostly on blocking so that's what they'd been working on mainly. Meaning she and JE saw a weakness in her game and sought to improve it. Is that not player development? 4) I'm so ready to see Kahahawai get that starting RS next season, aren't you?
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Post by anOPINionATEDbeACH(hookemboo) on Feb 13, 2023 18:47:26 GMT -5
WUT. Girl, please. Back that sh!t up. Logan: NPOY. Asjia: #1 nationally in highest hitting percentage for most of the season. Insane blocking machine during the tournament. Molly: hit .381 as a pin on the season (highest for any pin in a P5 conference) Nope, no individual development there at all. Not really talking about accolades here, maybe that wasn’t obvious but all I’ll say is that the only one there that I would agree with completely is O’Neal but NOT for blocking, from what I remember she came in a pretty solid blocker already but I think she made strides in her overall game as a server and defender as well as hitting in front of the setter. But Logan was still being DSd at times in her super senior season, up to you if you feel like that was a one off as she started as a 3 rotation pin. Not knocking her as a full player because she definitely advanced as a backrow player. Thought it was a thing here that Molly was not reliable out of system on the rightside? I think the way she is ran offensively plays to her strength and I don’t think it’s all that surprising that her hitting percentage would be high if she’s almost ran like a middle…. When you're as great of an attacker Logan is, You DONT have to pass😵💫 And logan spoke in an article about jeritt giving Madi the 6 rotation role for a few games because she was earning her share & he felt Logan was putting too much pressure on herself as the leader of the team. He wanted to her to feel like she can depend on her teammates more and understand she can be vulnerable in front of them. Pls try to at least know what you're talking about.
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Post by anOPINionATEDbeACH(hookemboo) on Feb 13, 2023 18:55:07 GMT -5
Imo the glaring elephant in the room is that even though everyone has been able to drown out the story with all these amazing transfers in, the transfers out of Fields, Iosia, Cabello, and others is still something that should be looked at.
Yes there were some injuries in there that applied to a few but also some completely healthy athletes who simply did not feel as if they were developing into the best version of themselves as an athlete within the Texas program. To me, that’s AT LEAST an orange flag lol. I think it was way for fans to write off Iosia has a subpar Libero and Fields has self-centered like in was reading on here, when I think at some point it had to come down to how the staff is developing them and what their long term plans are for their players. Addition by subtraction. None of those players ended up at a school that has a head coach with a winning track record in the post-season or a proven track record for developing players (that I know of) at an elite level. So, don't pretend you know why they left Texas because their destination contradicts your theory. Mind you cabello & Williams both came in injured. 🙄 Iosia just wasn't giving & it's ok to admit that. Skylar on the other hand was totally different because her transfer was for personal gain. (playing 6 rotations ). As she's stated MULTIPLE times on social media. Even threw the horns up at the USA training camp after transferring.
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Post by diatx on Feb 13, 2023 19:03:31 GMT -5
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Post by slxpress on Feb 13, 2023 19:05:37 GMT -5
What’s the glaring elephant in the room, in your opinion? BTW, I don’t agree about people coming on here and posting whatever. What is this conversation sidetracking us from, exactly? It’s not just this thread that’s pretty much dead. The whole board is dead for the most part. A little “Elliott is not a good coach” conversation livens things up a bit, IMO, Better than some dullard regularly objectifying the Texas players. Also, I have nothing but respect for the Hawaii program and it’s fans. It’s a historic program with a community support for all levels of volleyball that stands on its own. Geography, resources of the athletic department (which is in large part a consequence of geography) and the massive growth of the sport on the mainland has shifted Hawaii’s position of prominence, but the passion of the fans and community for the sport hasn’t changed one iota That said, I still stand by my statement that Elliott would have produced better results over the last 20 years than what Hawaii has actually achieved, because what makes Elliott elite as a program manager are entirely transferable skills, and do not require a specific program to be successful. I’ll also say that if my handle is TexasFan1234 and I go post on the Wisconsin thread about how Sheffield is not that great of a coach (which I don’t believe, but hypothetically) you better believe there’s going to be some clap back about the Texas program. That’s only natural. Agreed, the wealth of the state of Texas’ club scene especially has the program often with the ability to take its pick when it comes to some of the best players in the country because a lot of them are home grown. As much as I love Hawaii, money talks and kids these days like to flex on their socials and you can’t do much better than Austin, Texas. Imo the glaring elephant in the room is that even though everyone has been able to drown out the story with all these amazing transfers in, the transfers out of Fields, Iosia, Cabello, and others is still something that should be looked at. Yes there were some injuries in there that applied to a few but also some completely healthy athletes who simply did not feel as if they were developing into the best version of themselves as an athlete within the Texas program. To me, that’s AT LEAST an orange flag lol. I think it was way for fans to write off Iosia has a subpar Libero and Fields has self-centered like in was reading on here, when I think at some point it had to come down to how the staff is developing them and what their long term plans are for their players. If the only plan is to win and throw out the best combination of players that helps make that a high probability, then I can see why a player would think twice about committing to Texas in this current state of college volleyball. Because the focus is not on the individual player’s growth and improvement but rather whether or not that player contributes to what the program needs to win right then and there. Texas is doing an amazing job bringing in some of the best players in the country, however I can’t really point to very many players who were/are 4 year starters who had demonstrably improved individual games from when they started at UT. Does that mean Elliot is a bad coach? Eh debatable but not necessarily. I think it makes him a coach that has the luxury of not needing to care about developing players because he can have his pick of transfers if any of his current players were not panning out to his liking. Just a few things to bring clarity to the discussion. Last year Texas had O'Neal, Phillips and Skinner who were products of the Texas club scene as scholarship players. And Skinner as you know didn't commit to Texas out of high school. After bringing in 5 highly regarded freshmen, Texas will now have...O'Neal, Phillips and Skinner who were products of the Texas club scene. As scholarship players. Kenna Miller is a preferred walkon. I'm assuming Carissa Barnes will have a similar status coming from Texas A&M-CC, but I do not know that. Deandre Pierce was on last year's team as a walk on but transferred to Georgia Tech. Which is not to dispute the health of the Texas club scene. It just doesn't have much impact on the Texas program these days. A lot of those girls simply don't want to wait around for their opportunity to play, which makes sense. So Elliott and Co. find players who will. Fields transferred because she preferred to have a better opportunity to play 6 rotations for someone she trusted as a setter, more than play for a potential national championship winning team. From her social media posts it's obvious there was some bitterness on her part regarding her departure, which she is entitled to, but the fact is she's not very good passing/defense on the back row, and it showed while she was at USC. But Keller stuck with her in ways Elliott would not have. In fact, she almost certainly wouldn't have had much of a chance to get many looks at Texas, so she undoubtedly made the right decision for herself. That said, there were plenty of matches - including in the tournament - where she pretty much put the team on her back for the win. I still miss seeing her play, and I'm glad when I catch a USC match to see her being her usual dominating self. I don't see where this is a black mark on the Texas program given that she made 1st team All American and played 6 rotations all season, while Texas brought in Skinner and won a national championship. This seems like a proverbial win-win to me. Iosia was the starter at libero all season long for Michigan State. After bringing in Fleck, there was no way she was going to have that position at Texas. None. Zero. Nada. IMO Elliott should be looking to improve the team, not preserve returning players' ensconced starting positions. Sounds like she made a good move. Cabello was a part time starter in NC State's 6-2. Given that she wouldn't get that much playing time at Texas, again, it seems like a good move to me to actually see the court. Which other ones? Madison Williams joined Cabello at NC State and only played part time. She wouldn't have seen the floor at Texas at any point in her career. Jhenna Gabriel retired then unretired and was the undisputed starter for UNLV all year, and led them to a tournament appearance. I didn't follow their team awards at the end of the year, but she had to be their team MVP. As opposed to being in a battle with SKT and all the contentiousness that would have brought. Her mental health issues are what she cited as her reason for retirement. Taking over at UNLV sounds like a much better spot for her than watching from the bench as another player leads what she considered her team to a national championship. Sydney Peterson went to play with her sister for their Mom at Northern Iowa for her fifth year. That doesn't sound like some kind of evil doing on UT's part to drive her away. I guess I don't think of that as an elephant in the room. I see that as each player making a decision that's best for themselves. Same for Melanie Parra this offseason. I wish Elliott would stop recruiting undersized pins. He's not going to play them. He gets too many giraffes on his roster and he values blocking too much. Same thing happened with Victoria Pilar. But they're really talented players so I don't blame him for signing them. And Parra contributed a great deal to the 2021 team. Especially from the service line. And she improved her back row play a great deal during her time in Austin. I'll be rooting for her to have outstanding success with the Horned Frogs, and I imagine she will. Could be some other transfers in May, for all I know. I don't anticipate any, and I certainly hope not. Especially Kahahawai, who I see a bunch of people bring up randomly. But if anyone leaves for a better opportunity elsewhere, I can't blame them. I don't see where that's UT's fault, or Elliott's issue. He's going to keep bringing in a ton of talent year after year, both from high school and the portal. If that's something that's going to be an issue, Texas is not the place for you. Not sure why anyone should shy away from that with an "elephant in the room" mentality. There's nothing to be in denial about. If you aren't aware of any players at Texas who improved over the course of their career, then you simply haven't been paying attention. Logan Eggleston? Give me a break. She's light years better than she was as a true freshman. Asjia O'Neal? Part of it is recovering from open heart surgery, but regardless her blocking is on a different level now, and she continues to improve her slide and middle attacks. Her team leadership especially has seen tremendous improvement. Molly Phillips has physical limitations in terms of her jump, but she's better within her role on the right pin than she started, especially considering she was recruited as a middle blocker. The team as a whole took major strides from week to week, and was a much better team across a number of disciplines than they were at the start of the season. And they needed to. Because while they were ahead of the curve in the opening few games, everyone else in the country got better. If Texas hadn't kept pace they would have been bounced much earlier than ended up being the case. Understand none of this is to convince you to think otherwise. You are entitled to your opinion. I'm not being dismissive of you or your beliefs. But here is another perspective of what you're seeing. As far as the Hawaii coach, I have no bone to pick with her, nor does any UT fan. Honestly, people don't give Hawaii a whole lot of thought. There wouldn't be any comments about her or the Hawaii program on here unless someone calling themselves WahineFan comes over and starts disparaging Elliott's coaching ability, which you have now echoed to some degree. But you seem to like her quite a bit. Good for you. I'm happy for you. That said, I think of Elliott has an elite program manager. We know what the state of the program was when he took over. Here's a hint: it wasn't very good. We've seen other elite programs at the school, including women's swimming, women's basketball, and football, have a challenging time getting back to that level after falling on hard times. It's not an automatic just because you have a lot of resources at your disposal, in the state of Texas, being able to recruit to Austin. It takes a special coach. We're glad Elliott is one, and that he's the person running things. Now he has two national championships in ten years. I'd love to see him knock out one or two more to really cement his position. Doesn't matter if people want to disparage his coaching or not. What he's doing at Texas is remarkable. I'm grateful to him. All of us Texas fans are.
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Post by slxpress on Feb 13, 2023 19:09:51 GMT -5
Like it’s the off season, are y’all gonna just keep patting your backs all the way til Fall? Yes. Absolutely. I'm enjoying my team being the reigning National Champions every minute of every day. It's going to last a while. Like, the rest of my life. What a fulfilling season to follow.
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Post by slxpress on Feb 13, 2023 19:11:40 GMT -5
Ah, the real reason why the 2 Hawaii fans are trolling so desperately in this thread . . . Kahahawai and Akana look so good in burnt orange. Don’t you agree? 😈 Saige Ka'aha'aina-Torres, too. Our Rainbow Connection! (still working it)
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Post by horns1 on Feb 13, 2023 19:27:22 GMT -5
Honestly, what are you trying to accomplish here? Do you think you're going to convince Texas fans on the Texas thread that our coach sucks, right after we won the natty? You sound shocked that we don't agree with you. I’m not shocked. I’m open to discussion (as well as discussion from non Texas fans, which again, this is an open message board). I don’t expect you guys to agree with me. Doesn’t mean I can’t opine tho However, what I expected as a open discussion, that was thought provoking. Not childish arguments. But again, that’s most of volleytalk so I was the naive one for thinking that would happen. Just to summarize. On Saturday slxpress posts that he's so grateful that Jerritt Elliott is the head coach at Texas. That obviously triggered you to the point that you decide you should reply to his positive post by indicating that Jerritt Elliott is not a good head coach, and he's not the reason Texas wins. You did that to start a "civil" discussion with Texas fans in a Texas thread. Of course, you could have created a brand new thread to discuss how bad of a coach Jerritt is, but you felt it better to muck up this thread instead. All of those were your choices; you wanted attention and replies; so, deal with the backlash and quit trying to now act like you wanted to discuss a realistic topic. You came here to troll, and for no other reason. Hey Texas fans! Your head coach, winner of two national championships, numerous runner-up finishes, and countless Final Fours is "not a good coach". He's not the reason Texas wins. Who agrees with me? I can post in this Texas thread if I want to and I choose to dump on your head coach. Be civil. No reason to get upset. I won't provide any data to support my "opinion". But, I know I'm right. Every non-Texas fan on this board agrees with me. Please don't come at Hawaii just because I'm behaving like a classless jerk.
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