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Post by eotexas5 on Feb 13, 2023 19:32:30 GMT -5
I’m not shocked. I’m open to discussion (as well as discussion from non Texas fans, which again, this is an open message board). I don’t expect you guys to agree with me. Doesn’t mean I can’t opine tho However, what I expected as a open discussion, that was thought provoking. Not childish arguments. But again, that’s most of volleytalk so I was the naive one for thinking that would happen. Just to summarize. On Saturday slxpress posts that he's so grateful that Jerritt Elliott is the head coach at Texas. That obviously triggered you to point that you decide you should reply to his positive post by indicating that Jerritt Elliott is not a good head coach, and he's not the reason Texas wins. You did that to start a "civil" discussion with Texas fans in a Texas thread. Of course, you could have created a brand new thread to discuss how bad of a coach Jerritt is, but you felt it better to muck up this thread instead. All of those were your choices; you wanted attention and replies; so, deal with the backlash and quit trying to now act like you wanted to discuss a realistic topic. You came here to troll, and for no other reason. Hey Texas fans! Your head coach, winner of two national championships, numerous runner-up finishes, and countless Final Fours is "not a good coach". He's not the reason Texas wins. Who agrees with me? I can post in this Texas thread if I want to and I choose to dump on your head coach. Be civil. No reason to get upset. I won't provide any data to support my "opinion". But, I know I'm right. Every non-Texas fan on this board agrees with me. Please don't come at Hawaii just because I'm behaving like a classless jerk.Like, truly getting on here just to provoke Texas fans. What did they think was going to happen when they came on to this thread, talking sh*t about the head coach?! For all the flack and sh*t that Texas volleyball gets, you better believe I'm going to back us on the back every, single, damn, day. Who else is gonna do it?! You don't like it? Tough.
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Post by slxpress on Feb 13, 2023 19:35:50 GMT -5
I just want to point out how much fun it is to back it with another banner hanging from the rafters.
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Post by horns1 on Feb 13, 2023 19:38:58 GMT -5
Just to summarize. On Saturday slxpress posts that he's so grateful that Jerritt Elliott is the head coach at Texas. That obviously triggered you to point that you decide you should reply to his positive post by indicating that Jerritt Elliott is not a good head coach, and he's not the reason Texas wins. You did that to start a "civil" discussion with Texas fans in a Texas thread. Of course, you could have created a brand new thread to discuss how bad of a coach Jerritt is, but you felt it better to muck up this thread instead. All of those were your choices; you wanted attention and replies; so, deal with the backlash and quit trying to now act like you wanted to discuss a realistic topic. You came here to troll, and for no other reason. Hey Texas fans! Your head coach, winner of two national championships, numerous runner-up finishes, and countless Final Fours is "not a good coach". He's not the reason Texas wins. Who agrees with me? I can post in this Texas thread if I want to and I choose to dump on your head coach. Be civil. No reason to get upset. I won't provide any data to support my "opinion". But, I know I'm right. Every non-Texas fan on this board agrees with me. Please don't come at Hawaii just because I'm behaving like a classless jerk.Like, truly getting on here just to provoke Texas fans. What did they think was going to happen when they came on to this thread, talking sh*t about the head coach?! For all the flack and sh*t that Texas volleyball gets, you better believe I'm going to back us on the back every, single, damn, day. Who else is gonna do it?! You don't like it? Tough. The only thing worse than a troll is a stupid and uninformed troll. But, soon enough, they will crawl back into their dark dingy holes with their tails between their legs.
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Post by stevehorn on Feb 13, 2023 19:52:11 GMT -5
Like, truly getting on here just to provoke Texas fans. What did they think was going to happen when they came on to this thread, talking sh*t about the head coach?! For all the flack and sh*t that Texas volleyball gets, you better believe I'm going to back us on the back every, single, damn, day. Who else is gonna do it?! You don't like it? Tough. The only thing worse than a troll is a stupid and uninformed troll. But, soon enough, they will crawl back into their dark dingy holes with their tails between their legs. It's probably just jealousy, but I can't understand the obsession several Hawaii "fans" have with the Texas program and their need to try to run it down. Are they still butthurt from 1988?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 21:34:20 GMT -5
The only thing worse than a troll is a stupid and uninformed troll. But, soon enough, they will crawl back into their dark dingy holes with their tails between their legs. It's probably just jealousy, but I can't understand the obsession several Hawaii "fans" have with the Texas program and their need to try to run it down. Are they still butthurt from 1988? it might have something to do with several of Hawaii’s star hs players choosing Texas’s “bad” coach and program over their own “amazing” coach and program
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Post by slxpress on Feb 13, 2023 21:48:23 GMT -5
It's probably just jealousy, but I can't understand the obsession several Hawaii "fans" have with the Texas program and their need to try to run it down. Are they still butthurt from 1988? it might have something to do with several of Hawaii’s star hs players choosing Texas’s “bad” coach and program over their own “amazing” coach and program Kind of. But SKT and Akana only chose Texas on the rebound. And I don't think Hawaii fans realistically thought Kahahawai was going to stay on the island. If anything there might be bitterness Kahahawai left for Texas only to be stuck on the bench for the most part. I've seen several prep volleyball fans frustrated at that. But I don't care. I can't really hear all those complaints through the sounds of that national championship in my ear.
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Post by nellynel on Feb 13, 2023 22:17:29 GMT -5
Gonna chime in. I fully expected people to disagree with me. That is the nature of this board. Just because I am not a Texas fan, doesn’t mean I’m barred from entering or commenting on things (just like how some of you who disagreed with me, liked my post about John cook being awful) opinions are allowed. However what I expected was a tactful and eye opening discussion, with valid points being raised, factual basis in regard to your coach (which some of you did), however most of you went straight too (lol Hawaii sucks you’re one to talk). Me being a Hawaii fan, has nothing to do with Elliot’s coaching ability. Whether I am a Nebraska, Penn state, Hawaii, northern illinois or Alcorn state fan, I have a right to my opinion, and the “lol you can’t talk your team sucks” post just show how little some of you understand the game not want to participate in an intellectual discussion. Had someone came to the Hawaii thread and. Said “Robyn isn’t the best coach” I wouldn’t respond with ad hominems. I would respond in a way to defend my coach and her coaching abilities. Ask anyone with a coaching background, which could be the numerous and I mean numerous high level club, college coaches etc on this board, and I would be 1000 dollars thay they would agree with me more than you, that Elliot’s coaching is not why Texas is winning. Once again; I never said Elliot knew nothing about the sport. He certainly knows more than me, but your blind if you think Elliot’s technical coaching ability is the reason Texas is winning Wouldn’t be the first time but I’m confused. You make a point that Texas wins not because of its coaching with nothing to support your opinion outside of your opinion and another opinion that thousands of coaches and VT would agree with you. You also wonder why Texas fans don’t respond with tactful eye popping rebuttal to your general and unsupported claim? Texas has won 2 titles in 11 years, only twice have they been the #1 overall seed. One they won the other they lost in the final 4. They played in 3 other NC games during that time as the 4 seed (twice) and the #3 seed. So what ever talent differential you think they enjoy other experts don’t seem to agree with you. During that same time only 2 #1 overall seeds have won the NC. Stanford and Texas, do you apply the same un-critical analysis to those coaches that didn’t win the NC? No because that wouldn’t fit your opinion or agenda would it? It’s stupid to de-link coaching in college and recruiting. It’s as dumb as me saying LeBron James is only good because he’s 6-9, he wouldn’t be as good if he was 5-8. Because the only thing I have to support it is my unsupported opinion just like the only thing you have is your unsupported opinion. JE recruits the best players he can, just like anyone else. It is definitely a big part of his success but so it is with any team. I’m sure you would trade a coach that could recruit better to the genius coach (compared to JE) you have that can’t seem to recruit players to compete at a high level in the NCAA.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Feb 14, 2023 0:11:29 GMT -5
It's probably just jealousy, but I can't understand the obsession several Hawaii "fans" have with the Texas program and their need to try to run it down. Are they still butthurt from 1988? it might have something to do with several of Hawaii’s star hs players choosing Texas’s “bad” coach and program over their own “amazing” coach and program
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 14, 2023 1:33:55 GMT -5
What part of it’s debatable but not necessarily an obvious truth do you not understand? You could’ve just gone with the latter part of naming names and saying what you thought those players improved on from start to finish and why those are examples refute examples of Fields, Iosia, Shook. But no, you went the typical reactionary horns1 route as per usual. Foaming at the mouth with insults and putting words in people’s mouths. 🤷🏾♂️ can’t help you if you can’t engage in a civil discussion about your program. I think Robyn is a great coach, mostly because I’m surprised she’s developed the overall games of players most wouldn’t have even cared much about because they weren’t really on the radar nationally. However it’s still early and she hasn’t even graduated her first recruiting class, so she’s no where close to being considered one of the nation’s best. Is it really this hard for people to not see red immediately when confronted with opinions that aren’t aggrandizing of every aspect of their respective programs? Y’all weird asf lol Don't post stupid things if you don't want to be called out as stupid. This was your statement: " Does that mean Elliot is a bad coach? Eh debatable but not necessarily."There is nothing "debatable" about it because he's not. Why you felt the need to even type that is stupid. Robyn is a mediocre coach. She's done nothing to prove otherwise. You can give her pats on the back for your perception that she's "developed players", but that won't help her keep her job if she's not winning in the post-season at an acceptable level for her boss. Lol you can say what you want but everything is debatable, Robyn’s coaching is just as much up for debate as Elliot’s is and there’s plenty of debate about that in the Hawaii thread. It’s just discussion but you have a pretty dense track record for being a reactionary freak so I don’t see why this would be any different.
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 14, 2023 1:40:19 GMT -5
I mean…stay mad all you want… All I’m saying is that these are all incredible players that you mentioned who grew at what they were strong at. I already mentioned I am 100% in agreement at O’Neal. I don’t know if Logan being DSd was even that big of a deal. She was obviously good enough to be relied on as a passer and defender when it mattered. I think when Molly can be reliable on getting a majority of junky oos high balls, I think that will be indicative of her growth from what wasn’t a prior strength. I don’t think I’m saying anything remotely rude unless you are all just being quick to being reactionary and going on the defensive. Just engage with what is being said civilly or don’t. What is the actual problem? The cattiness is unnecessary I’m not mad at all and I think this conversation is quite comical. Sorry you took that as cattiness. I just think it’s comical when people make statements and then Backtrack when the stats and facts don’t support they statement. But whomst am I? 🤷🏾♂️ And you are more than welcome to take the smug route. No one is backtracking, I said what I said and I responded to your examples of what you thought made those 3 players good examples of what player development looks like. I get that it’s tough for a homer to see their team as anything other than infallible but idk I guess I just expected more volleyball talk on Volleytalk vs the cattiness but if this thread is more Queens than ballers then I get it. I was obviously wrong.
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 14, 2023 1:41:34 GMT -5
I mean…stay mad all you want… All I’m saying is that these are all incredible players that you mentioned who grew at what they were strong at. I already mentioned I am 100% in agreement at O’Neal. I don’t know if Logan being DSd was even that big of a deal. She was obviously good enough to be relied on as a passer and defender when it mattered. I think when Molly can be reliable on getting a majority of junky oos high balls, I think that will be indicative of her growth from what wasn’t a prior strength. I don’t think I’m saying anything remotely rude unless you are all just being quick to being reactionary and going on the defensive. Just engage with what is being said civilly or don’t. What is the actual problem? The cattiness is unnecessary Hilarious that you keep changing your story as you keep getting presented with facts. Cattiness started with you. Changed my story how exactly? You can’t just make things up to win arguments in your own head.
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 14, 2023 1:42:58 GMT -5
Like it’s the off season, are y’all gonna just keep patting your backs all the way til Fall? I would think this was a stronger, less insecure fanbase than that. Ah, the real reason why the 2 Hawaii fans are trolling so desperately in this thread . . . Reactionary freak example #46744786
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 14, 2023 1:44:29 GMT -5
Like it’s the off season, are y’all gonna just keep patting your backs all the way til Fall? Yes. Absolutely. I'm enjoying my team being the reigning National Champions every minute of every day. And I love that for y’all but I just don’t see what the big deal is with engaging in discussion civilly. Even if it is a tough discussion to have.
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 14, 2023 1:52:39 GMT -5
And all that is in contrast to a coach like Robyn Ah-Mow who absolutely does not have her pick of players but has been able to develop the ones she has in a way that is noticeable in those players from season to season. Post season showings are not the end all be all of judging a coach’s worth, forget who mentioned something about Hawaii being beaten by Tonya but on its face that was a stupid take that doesn’t mean anything. Hawaii fans have seen the growth of players’ individual games while playing for Robyn and sure maybe some have lower ceilings than your average Texas commit/player but it’s about whether or not the players are reaching that ceiling by the time they graduate. Why is that? Hawaii is a beautiful island with amazing food, culture and people. Plus the weather is near perfect year around unlike say Minnesota, Wisconsin, Oregon, Penn State, Marquette, BYU (plus they have the mor... nvm), Creighton, Purdue, tOSU... you get the point. They also have an ex olympian as their HC. They're historically one of the most successful programs in the nation and they have an amazingly supportive fanbase. So why don't they get their pick of the litter? I personally chalk it up to subpar academic offerings and being in a dogsh!t conference. I know a lot of people tend to say distance and all that but I really don’t think a lot of athletes care as much about that as they do pursuing the fields they want to study and having a competitive conference season. As great as it is to win the Big West Conference regularly, as it is any conference championship, the level of competitiveness of the BW overall is pretty crappy. I’m positive that if Hawaii were competing in the PAC12, even with it no longer being the premier volleyball conference, recruiting players to UH would be A LOT more attractive. Until then Hawaii just has to grind out some upset wins, and piece together really solid teams of talented, albeit under the radar or overlooked recruits. It sucks but doesn’t make me love watching the program any less
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Post by babybacksets on Feb 14, 2023 1:59:27 GMT -5
Not really talking about accolades here, maybe that wasn’t obvious but all I’ll say is that the only one there that I would agree with completely is O’Neal but NOT for blocking, from what I remember she came in a pretty solid blocker already but I think she made strides in her overall game as a server and defender as well as hitting in front of the setter. But Logan was still being DSd at times in her super senior season, up to you if you feel like that was a one off as she started as a 3 rotation pin. Not knocking her as a full player because she definitely advanced as a backrow player. Thought it was a thing here that Molly was not reliable out of system on the rightside? I think the way she is ran offensively plays to her strength and I don’t think it’s all that surprising that her hitting percentage would be high if she’s almost ran like a middle…. When you're as great of an attacker Logan is, You DONT have to pass😵💫 And logan spoke in an article about jeritt giving Madi the 6 rotation role for a few games because she was earning her share & he felt Logan was putting too much pressure on herself as the leader of the team. He wanted to her to feel like she can depend on her teammates more and understand she can be vulnerable in front of them. Pls try to at least know what you're talking about. Liked everything you said until you decided to be kind of sh!tty at the end lol Obviously I’m not diving into articles about the team, I made an assumption and now that I’m presented with new information I can be more informed in my opinion. That wasn’t even remotely hard for me but it seems really tough for a lot of people on here. Again, all I’m saying is engage in the dialogue with more than just “LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU YOURE WRONG F**K HAWAII AND F**K YOUR COACH” lol obvi a little embellished but I’m really not coming from a malicious place
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