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Post by mln59 on Jun 21, 2023 14:35:59 GMT -5
Anyone else sick of the tone policing of female athletes? Again and again, it's that they are "aggressive" or "dominating" or not sufficiently humble or ladylike. These people want female athletes to smack the sh!t out of the ball and then be all "aww shucks, who me?" apologetic about being great at what they do. No thanks. Well, to be honest, I'm old, and I wish there was a little more humility across all sports, not just with one gender. But bat flips and touchdown celebrations are highly entertaining, and I get that. I just remember Earl Campbell when he'd score a touchdown would quietly flip the ball to the referee like it was no big deal, and I liked that. if i can be real for a minute, bat flips legit irk me, even when it's a Texas player with the bat flippery |
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Post by slxpress on Jun 21, 2023 14:38:24 GMT -5
Well, to be honest, I'm old, and I wish there was a little more humility across all sports, not just with one gender. But bat flips and touchdown celebrations are highly entertaining, and I get that. I just remember Earl Campbell when he'd score a touchdown would quietly flip the ball to the referee like it was no big deal, and I liked that. if i can be real for a minute, bat flips legit irk me, even when it's a Texas player with the bat flippery It irks me when whipper snappers won't get off my lawn, too, but I can't seem to stop them. But I'm with you. |
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Jun 21, 2023 14:39:20 GMT -5
Well, to be honest, I'm old, and I wish there was a little more humility across all sports, not just with one gender. But bat flips and touchdown celebrations are highly entertaining, and I get that. I just remember Earl Campbell when he'd score a touchdown would quietly flip the ball to the referee like it was no big deal, and I liked that. if i can be real for a minute, bat flips legit irk me, even when it's a Texas player with the bat flippery bat flips. Hahahaha I see you |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jun 21, 2023 15:08:24 GMT -5
Asjia saying they’re in their villain era isn’t even the most villain thing someone on the team’s said
Are we forgetting about Logan’s “it’s kinda fun being the team that everyone hates, because it’s like, do you just wanna be us?”
my jaw was on the floor. I was gagged. that’d be the intro to every hype video for the rest of my time alive if I was the content creator.
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Jun 21, 2023 15:19:39 GMT -5
Asjia saying they’re in their villain era isn’t even the most villain thing someone on the team’s said Are we forgetting about Logan’s “it’s kinda fun being the team that everyone hates, because it’s like, do you just wanna be us?” my jaw was on the floor. I was gagged. that’d be the intro to every hype video for the rest of my time alive if I was the content creator. Nah I'm pretty sure Asjia still wins with the "step on their necks" comment |
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Post by diatx on Jun 21, 2023 16:37:10 GMT -5
Asjia saying they’re in their villain era isn’t even the most villain thing someone on the team’s said Are we forgetting about Logan’s “it’s kinda fun being the team that everyone hates, because it’s like, do you just wanna be us?” my jaw was on the floor. I was gagged. that’d be the intro to every hype video for the rest of my time alive if I was the content creator. Nah I'm pretty sure Asjia still wins with the "step on their necks" comment Gotta add Saige’s “Nobody has to like us. We like us”. |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Jun 21, 2023 17:15:02 GMT -5
Madi Skinner’s photo dump from DC!
‘Same time next year…’
As I said, ‘villain era’ is a vibe. And we love it.
Ps: who is that man?
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Post by diatx on Jun 21, 2023 17:25:53 GMT -5
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Jun 21, 2023 17:32:00 GMT -5
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jun 21, 2023 17:34:28 GMT -5
Madi Skinner’s photo dump from DC! ‘Same time next year…’ As I said, ‘villain era’ is a vibe. And we love it. Ps: who is that man? you don’t know Merrick McHenry?! I’m shocked! |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Jun 21, 2023 17:52:57 GMT -5
Madi Skinner’s photo dump from DC! ‘Same time next year…’ As I said, ‘villain era’ is a vibe. And we love it. Ps: who is that man? you don’t know Merrick McHenry?! I’m shocked! I mean. I do now. |
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Post by moondog4444 on Jun 21, 2023 18:01:35 GMT -5
Not this hater proving WHY we are in our villain era. Embracing the hate from other fan groups is not the same as being a child molester, the freak? It’s a photo shoot. In front of a plane. Go back and read my unedited post again, because you clearly didn't read it right on the first pass. The use of "(wrongly)" in front of "view you as a child molester" was supposed to head off this sort of response. I'm pointing out the end point of villainy, when somebody chooses to embrace it. Obviously, that's a long way down that path, but it and comparable things are where you end up when that path is chosen. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Got it? This is good advice, not hating. The only part that you can truly ding me for being a "hater" is the "pitiful" at the start of it. And if you do that, I'll make you answer for the use of "freak". I think Texas fans are getting too much of a sense of paranoia. There is a core (small in my mind) of people who hate on them and might even be noisy about it (I detect a Nebraska slant to much of this). Add to that some recent additional bias for winning the volleyball title and for changing conferences. Both of those negative effects should be temporary. I think as long as you don't let it get into your head, you'll realize it isn't that bad. Obviously, location will adjust this. Where I live, Maryland, the vast majority of people couldn't care less about the University of Texas, positive or negative. img-aws.ehowcdn.com/700x/www.onlyinyourstate.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/b84b84973573e11387fbc6e67ecbda49189c6179c32f0ed94c12c05515cb9af9.jpg |
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Post by aardvark on Jun 22, 2023 6:34:39 GMT -5
Man, I love activity. BTW, just for context, when O'Neal talks about being the villain, she's talking about in part the fact that when Texas comes to town arenas fill up in ways they don't for any other opponent. Opposing fans love to get excited about playing Texas. That's true in a lot of sports, but it's particularly true in volleyball. A lot of these girls are really nice girls. Naturally, they want to be liked, just like any normal human being does. But if you lean into that, it can throw you off as an athlete trying to perform on the court that all these people you've never met, never interacted with, seem to want to see you lose so badly. Whatever anyone wants to say from the state of Maryland, it's a fact that Texas sees a much more intense response in that direction than other teams. MUCH more intense. There are a lot of reasons for that, but who cares about the reasons when you're a player trying to perform at your best, trying to battle emotions of not understanding why you're so disliked when from your perspective you haven't really done anything wrong? So that's the message on the team, passed down from one teammate to another over the years. When we go into arenas, you will see reactions to us you're not expecting. That you haven't experienced as a player before. Especially in the Big 12, people take this stuff really personally, just because you wear Texas on your jersey. We still have to find a way to perform at our best. One of the ways we do that is to embrace the idea that we evoke a lot of passion from people we've never met before, and that's okay. Heck, it was that way in Omaha for the Final Four. Especially against Louisville and favored Nebraska daughter Dani Busboom Kelly. But against USD, too. But in the Big 12, nobody gets fans juices flowing like Texas coming to town. And frankly, for most non conference road matches, too. It's a big deal for Texas to play in teams' home arena. That's not a bad thing, but it is a thing that the Texas players have to find a way to accommodate. I don't think that means these girls are going to go out and molest anyone. Or murder them. Or whatever. I certainly don't think it has that much to do with what is going on in this country, which is way more about gerrymandering so the importance of appealing to the base in a one party district becomes paramount, and the advent of the internet which has created echo chambers and litmus tests to determine if you really belong to a political tribe or not. Or the pandering to those to project the most extreme views, because that's the only way to really drive a conversation with the kinds of dynamics we've created around political discussion in this country. But going in with the mindset we're going to be cheered against vociferously everywhere we go, and what kind of mental approach do we need to take to be successful in those environments is not the same thing. It just isn't. This thread is only at 355 pages. That's far short of Stanford's thread. I think the title, limiting discussion to the year 2023, caps this thread's page potential. You may like the activity, but you aren't getting enough of it to achieve that expressed goal of catching and passing them. Texas sees an intense response from opposing fans because they keep going to places where there is long-term history, and grudges have built up. Arkansas. Nebraska. Texas A&M. Pretty much, schools which shared lengthy time in the same conference with Texas. Louisville and San Diego fans don't care about Texas. You had big turnouts for those playoff matches because they were in Omaha, Nebraska. If Texas travels to Maryland, they won't see that level of antipathy. Which is mostly why they won't travel to Maryland. They want to make money, and will get more tickets sold going to places that hate them more. So, they will keep going back to the same places that hate them, letting the enmity build up further. If Texas fans don't like the hate being directed at them (from the people that know them best), the best move is to dial back their own passion, because fighting fire with fire will only make it burn more. I liken it to politics, because it all boils down to an "us versus them" mentality. Stuff like gerrymandering has always existed in this country. The key is that the animosity level in politics has risen enough that each side starts resorting to such tactics to get their way, which just inflames the other side. It's the same with sports. If you embrace opposition, that's where you will eventually end up. |
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Post by slxpress on Jun 22, 2023 8:11:34 GMT -5
This thread is only at 355 pages. That's far short of Stanford's thread. I think the title, limiting discussion to the year 2023, caps this thread's page potential. You may like the activity, but you aren't getting enough of it to achieve that expressed goal of catching and passing them. Texas sees an intense response from opposing fans because they keep going to places where there is long-term history, and grudges have built up. Arkansas. Nebraska. Texas A&M. Pretty much, schools which shared lengthy time in the same conference with Texas. Louisville and San Diego fans don't care about Texas. You had big turnouts for those playoff matches because they were in Omaha, Nebraska. If Texas travels to Maryland, they won't see that level of antipathy. Which is mostly why they won't travel to Maryland. They want to make money, and will get more tickets sold going to places that hate them more. So, they will keep going back to the same places that hate them, letting the enmity build up further. If Texas fans don't like the hate being directed at them (from the people that know them best), the best move is to dial back their own passion, because fighting fire with fire will only make it burn more. I liken it to politics, because it all boils down to an "us versus them" mentality. Stuff like gerrymandering has always existed in this country. The key is that the animosity level in politics has risen enough that each side starts resorting to such tactics to get their way, which just inflames the other side. It's the same with sports. If you embrace opposition, that's where you will eventually end up. 1. "This thread is only at 355 pages. That's far short of Stanford's thread. I think the title, limiting discussion to the year 2023, caps this thread's page potential. You may like the activity, but you aren't getting enough of it to achieve that expressed goal of catching and passing them."I like activity where ever it is. I have to admit I don't follow any of the pro threads, but any of the college threads and some of the national team threads I'll check out. It's a bummer not to have any new activity, so I appreciate your contribution, not just here, but anywhere you choose to post. I don't think of thread pages as a contest. I joke about reaching 1000 pages prior to the start of the season, but I don't actually care. The joke is part of the fun of it. No one has expressed any interest in catching and passing the Stanford thread that I can recall. I'm glad we separate the threads into the season and recruiting, and start over each year. Stanford doesn't do that. More power to them. 2. "Texas sees an intense response from opposing fans because they keep going to places where there is long-term history, and grudges have built up. Arkansas. Nebraska. Texas A&M."Texas hasn't played Arkansas in volleyball that I can remember. They haven't played Nebraska in the regular season in years. They only intermittently play A&M. No offense, but this is an ignorant comment. I'm not trying to be insulting. You just don't know what you're talking about, but you're insisting on posting about it anyway. Which is okay. But you still have a lack of actual knowledge. "Louisville and San Diego fans don't care about Texas."In 2017, the only time Texas has played at the Jenny Craig pavilion, they set the volleyball attendance record for that arena with 4222. The second highest attendance mark I could find was the 2623 that saw USD play BYU this past year. This is a common experience for the Texas volleyball team, regardless of where they travel to. It will be the same at Long Beach State this coming year. No, those teams don't think about Texas much at all from one season to the next, but once the Longhorns come to town there's a little bit more excitement involved. Oftentimes, a lot more excitement. I don't think Texas is alone in this regard, but I do think they're in the top tier of whatever schools you'd want to include. "If Texas travels to Maryland, they won't see that level of antipathy."If a program doesn't have any excitement surrounding their volleyball program, Texas isn't going to automatically infuse it into the school. If a program does have excitement surrounding the volleyball program, Texas coming to play in the team's home arena is going to exacerbate it. It doesn't have to be a deep seated hatred. It can simply be a strong desire to win. I don't feel like the Ohio State crowds at the Covelli Center had an intense hatred for Texas, but they sure as heck wanted to see their Buckeyes come out on top. The Saturday night game appeared to be the highest attendance match of the season, beating out Nebraska (held on a Sunday) Minnesota (barely), and Wisconsin. I don't actually believe Ohio State fans wanted to beat Texas more than those three teams. But there was definitely an added oomph because it was Texas travelling for a non conference match (as an aside, that atmosphere was electric, and that's not because it was Texas - everyone from the administration to the fans really made those two matches special to watch. I don't want to pretend Texas was the only reason for that - but they were absolutely a big part of the reason). 3. "They want to make money, and will get more tickets sold going to places that hate them more. So, they will keep going back to the same places that hate them, letting the enmity build up further."This makes no sense. How does Texas make money from road box office receipts? And most of the places where they play where there's animosity is within the conference. How is Texas purposefully scheduling them? If anything, I'd argue they've purposefully jetted from playing those programs in favor of entering the SEC, where there's not going to be a lot of animosity at the beginning. There will be soon enough, but it won't start out that way. 4. "If Texas fans don't like the hate being directed at them (from the people that know them best), the best move is to dial back their own passion, because fighting fire with fire will only make it burn more." Again, you don't know what you're talking about. First, I want to assure you I have no problem with the hate other fans have for Texas. I revel in it. That goes back 50+ years. I can hardly wait to see the same dynamics transpire in the SEC to some extent. It won't quite be the same because there's not the same big school/small school in terms of enrollments and athletic budgets. Also, Texas won't be able to bully the other schools around in the same way they have in the past. The hatred programs/fan bases end up generating towards Texas is a combination of things, but the passion exhibited isn't really one of them. If anything, other fan bases like taking shots at the fair weather fan aspect of Longhorn fans. We like winners. If the team isn't winning, the support drops precipitously. Arrogance, more money than anyone else (until the 80s this came from the Texas legislature which administrators had wrapped around their finger - after that it came from turning the athletic department into a money printing machine), running conferences like personal fiefdoms, and then in the case of OU and Arkansas, some state pride identifications that never really translated as rivalries with other schools in the state. Along with a ton of classic battles in football (and basketball in Arkansas's case). For A&M it goes way beyond that. It's an institutional hatred inculcated from the moment freshmen step on campus during orientation. Sports are simply an outlet for it. 5. "I liken it to politics, because it all boils down to an "us versus them" mentality. Stuff like gerrymandering has always existed in this country. The key is that the animosity level in politics has risen enough that each side starts resorting to such tactics to get their way, which just inflames the other side. It's the same with sports. If you embrace opposition, that's where you will eventually end up."I don't really want to get into politics. But the level of gerrymandering since 1990, the ability to use computing power to fine tune them, the acquiescence of the Congressional Black Caucus to ensure their seats were completely safe, led to an abusive system over the past 30 years on a national scale which doesn't have a precedence in our history. Gerrymandering has obviously been a core part of the practice of politics in this country. But the scale is new, the use of technology is new. It's systematically carved a large part of this country into single party districts where the base of the prevailing party is more important to win over, because the primary decides the race. It means the general voter isn't as important, forces candidates to the extreme rather than forcing them towards the middle, and makes winning reelection about continually satisfying the base or else a well funded opponent will be on the ballot next time around. This system is the enemy of compromise and collaboration, two central aspects of a healthy representative government. There's also been a sea change in how people receive their news. When I was young everything was heavily curated. The nightly TV news. The newspapers. The newsmagazines. I would regularly read 3 newspapers, Time/US News/Newsweek, and catch the McNeil/Lehrer report along with the Sunday news shows, and would constantly be amazed at how similar the coverage was. Not just in tone, but content as well. Now we have radically different approaches to the news along partisan bases. No one reads newspapers or newsmagazines any more. Most information is gleaned through social media activity. The way it's setup, it naturally encourages people to find their own tribes, set up litmus tests around belonging to those tribes, and then create hostile relations with people who identify with a different tribe. There are absolutely some similarities to sports teams, but in general people do not advocate for violence against other teams' fans. We're not going to do away with our intrinsic instinct to create tribes. The danger is when we demonize the other side to the extent we paint them as an existential threat. No one is doing that with Texas volleyball, or Texas athletics in general. Not even A&M. But we certainly do it in politics. And eventually history shows us that only leads in one direction. Massive repression and genocide. The United States is a huge multicultural multi racial experiment in many ways. It's a dangerous experiment in some ways, because history doesn't have the fondest story to tell about multi cultural/multiracial societies. But I'm hopeful at some point we'll find a unifying path. I don't know what that's going to take, and I don't think we're anywhere close to that occurring, but I'd like to think my children, and my children's children, will be able to live in some kind of approximate facsimile of the country I've lived my whole life in. But comparing it to sports rivalries - no matter how heated - is a dangerous trivialization of what's going on in this country, in my opinion. |
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Post by eotexas5 on Jun 22, 2023 8:58:37 GMT -5
Anyone else sick of the tone policing of female athletes? Again and again, it's that they are "aggressive" or "dominating" or not sufficiently humble or ladylike. These people want female athletes to smack the sh!t out of the ball and then be all "aww shucks, who me?" apologetic about being great at what they do. No thanks. this is usually only reserved from Black female athletes tbh |
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