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Post by alhorford90 on Jun 21, 2023 12:03:59 GMT -5
this has gone off the rails
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Post by aardvark on Jun 21, 2023 12:16:25 GMT -5
You’re taking this far too literally. Villian era is a vibe, it’s not about criming or the slippery slope that leads to criming like you described. Also, this is quite the energy for a people who couldn’t care less about UT. I saw how tttt15 said this was just good fun and people were taking it too seriously. But then tttt15 also said to be the villain in caps and lauded the dominating/aggressive behavior that they feel incurred this label. I tried to warn them off this path in my post. You think there's a world of difference between the described behavior and the end point of villainy I was describing. And there is! You have to travel a long way down that road, but you do get there eventually. That's because a choice was made to embrace hate and division, and it is easy to follow that road all the way down to that conclusion, one step at a time. Just look at the state of politics in this country. It wasn't that way 30 years ago. It should serve as a shining example of what to avoid. I'm not sure what energy you think I'm displaying here. |
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Post by alhorford90 on Jun 21, 2023 12:21:37 GMT -5
Not this hater proving WHY we are in our villain era. Embracing the hate from other fan groups is not the same as being a child molester, the freak? It’s a photo shoot. In front of a plane. Go back and read my unedited post again, because you clearly didn't read it right on the first pass. The use of "(wrongly)" in front of "view you as a child molester" was supposed to head off this sort of response. I'm pointing out the end point of villainy, when somebody chooses to embrace it. Obviously, that's a long way down that path, but it and comparable things are where you end up when that path is chosen. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Got it? This is good advice, not hating. The only part that you can truly ding me for being a "hater" is the "pitiful" at the start of it. And if you do that, I'll make you answer for the use of "freak". I think Texas fans are getting too much of a sense of paranoia. There is a core (small in my mind) of people who hate on them and might even be noisy about it (I detect a Nebraska slant to much of this). Add to that some recent additional bias for winning the volleyball title and for changing conferences. Both of those negative effects should be temporary. I think as long as you don't let it get into your head, you'll realize it isn't that bad. Obviously, location will adjust this. Where I live, Maryland, the vast majority of people couldn't care less about the University of Texas, positive or negative. they know texas if they are a UMD Women’s basketball fan |
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Post by eotexas5 on Jun 21, 2023 12:23:10 GMT -5
You’re taking this far too literally. Villian era is a vibe, it’s not about criming or the slippery slope that leads to criming like you described. Also, this is quite the energy for a people who couldn’t care less about UT. I saw how tttt15 said this was just good fun and people were taking it too seriously. But then tttt15 also said to be the villain in caps and lauded the dominating/aggressive behavior that they feel incurred this label. I tried to warn them off this path in my post. You think there's a world of difference between the described behavior and the end point of villainy I was describing. And there is! You have to travel a long way down that road, but you do get there eventually. That's because a choice was made to embrace hate and division, and it is easy to follow that road all the way down to that conclusion, one step at a time. Just look at the state of politics in this country. It wasn't that way 30 years ago. It should serve as a shining example of what to avoid. I'm not sure what energy you think I'm displaying here. I'm literally not sure what you're trying to argue tbh |
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Post by mln59 on Jun 21, 2023 12:32:34 GMT -5
You’re taking this far too literally. Villian era is a vibe, it’s not about criming or the slippery slope that leads to criming like you described. Also, this is quite the energy for a people who couldn’t care less about UT. I saw how tttt15 said this was just good fun and people were taking it too seriously. But then tttt15 also said to be the villain in caps and lauded the dominating/aggressive behavior that they feel incurred this label. I tried to warn them off this path in my post. You think there's a world of difference between the described behavior and the end point of villainy I was describing. And there is! You have to travel a long way down that road, but you do get there eventually. That's because a choice was made to embrace hate and division, and it is easy to follow that road all the way down to that conclusion, one step at a time. Just look at the state of politics in this country. It wasn't that way 30 years ago. It should serve as a shining example of what to avoid. I'm not sure what energy you think I'm displaying here. who is tttt15? |
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Post by aardvark on Jun 21, 2023 12:33:11 GMT -5
To be more clear, I am cautioning against tttt15's suggestion of embracing being the villain. If the suggestion was simply to embrace a "villain look" because black leather outfits are awesome, I would not have commented. But to be the villain means to act the part, and little acts of villainy naturally progress you towards big acts of villainy. I think it's a bad idea to head in that direction. I think this is a huge stretch tbh. All of this came from that one comment that Asjia mentioned during an interview about them being in their 'villain era.' It's no surprise that in essentially every sport, Texas is generally unliked by those who are not fans of the school/programs, probably more so than any other school. Look no further than the 'Horns Down' that happen at so many sporting events, many of which Texas isn't even a part of. I think what the OP was suggesting was to just take ownership of all of that hate and disdain and use it to motivate, not as a crutch to do 'acts of villainy,' as you say. I'm not really sure what acts of villainy can teenage girls do in the sport of collegiate volleyball, but I imagine posters here will reach for straws when it comes to this. If there's this feeling from non-Texas fans of this 'Texas vs. the World/Everyone else' mentality it's because there kinda is? Huge stretch? Maybe those people flashing the horns down signal were spurred by their perception that UT fans/athletes were being needlessly dominating/aggressive in their behavior. So they do that and then you feel provoked and respond in kind, which just fuels them to do more. Where does that end up? Think about it. Just look at the (over) reaction to my post, which wasn't anywhere hating on UT. The only hating part of it was my "pitiful" and that was hating on the logic of embracing division, not on the school or its fans/students. |
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Post by aardvark on Jun 21, 2023 12:35:10 GMT -5
I saw how tttt15 said this was just good fun and people were taking it too seriously. But then tttt15 also said to be the villain in caps and lauded the dominating/aggressive behavior that they feel incurred this label. I tried to warn them off this path in my post. You think there's a world of difference between the described behavior and the end point of villainy I was describing. And there is! You have to travel a long way down that road, but you do get there eventually. That's because a choice was made to embrace hate and division, and it is easy to follow that road all the way down to that conclusion, one step at a time. Just look at the state of politics in this country. It wasn't that way 30 years ago. It should serve as a shining example of what to avoid. I'm not sure what energy you think I'm displaying here. who is tttt15? Oops. My bad. that should be ttth15, for texastothehouse15. |
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Post by eotexas5 on Jun 21, 2023 12:40:42 GMT -5
I think this is a huge stretch tbh. All of this came from that one comment that Asjia mentioned during an interview about them being in their 'villain era.' It's no surprise that in essentially every sport, Texas is generally unliked by those who are not fans of the school/programs, probably more so than any other school. Look no further than the 'Horns Down' that happen at so many sporting events, many of which Texas isn't even a part of. I think what the OP was suggesting was to just take ownership of all of that hate and disdain and use it to motivate, not as a crutch to do 'acts of villainy,' as you say. I'm not really sure what acts of villainy can teenage girls do in the sport of collegiate volleyball, but I imagine posters here will reach for straws when it comes to this. If there's this feeling from non-Texas fans of this 'Texas vs. the World/Everyone else' mentality it's because there kinda is? Huge stretch? Maybe those people flashing the horns down signal were spurred by their perception that UT fans/athletes were being needlessly dominating/aggressive in their behavior. So they do that and then you feel provoked and respond in kind, which just fuels them to do more. Where does that end up? Think about it. Just look at the (over) reaction to my post, which wasn't anywhere hating on UT. The only hating part of it was my "pitiful" and that was hating on the logic of embracing division, not on the school or its fans/students. Oh so now it's a chicken vs. the egg argument, that it's somehow our own fault that we are "dominating/aggressive." If that's the approach you're going to take now, let's just agree-to-disagree because it's now starting to get to the ridiculous level, with all due respect. Also, I never called you a hater or said anything about you hating, for the record. I've been involved with this university (I'm a graduate) and this program to know how others perceive us. Your perception is your problem, not mine. I think most people outside of Texas see our love for the state and school negatively which, once again, is not our problem. I guess when that Arkansas fan, who was a grown man, threw his Horns down in my face and physically moved me out of my seat, I should've just turned the other cheek right? |
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Post by aardvark on Jun 21, 2023 12:43:54 GMT -5
I'm literally not sure what you're trying to argue tbh That it is a mistake to embrace negativity. It just comes back at you, magnified. The post I first responded to seemed to feel that dominant/aggressive behavior contributed to Texas winning the title. I doubt it. Texas didn't win the trophy because they perfected stare-downs. Since that first post, I've mostly just been calming people who jumped to the wrong conclusions about what I said. With no edits to the post, it is easy to go back and read it again to verify what's always been in it. |
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Post by aardvark on Jun 21, 2023 12:54:43 GMT -5
Oh so now it's a chicken vs. the egg argument, that it's somehow our own fault that we are "dominating/aggressive." If that's the approach you're going to take now, let's just agree-to-disagree because it's now starting to get to the ridiculous level, with all due respect. Also, I never called you a hater or said anything about you hating, for the record. I've been involved with this university (I'm a graduate) and this program to know how others perceive us. Your perception is your problem, not mine. I think most people outside of Texas see our love for the state and school negatively which, once again, is not our problem. I guess when that Arkansas fan, who was a grown man, threw his Horns down in my face and physically moved me out of my seat, I should've just turned the other cheek right? At no point did I ever say you called me a hater. Hornshouse23 certainly did in this thread though. I was referring to that, not to your comments. I also noted in another post that the antipathy for UT that you perceive will be genuine in certain locales. Fans of Arkansas? Yeah, they'll be more likely to hate on you than Maryland, New Hampshire, or Alaska. It's important to keep that in mind and not let it influence you into thinking everyone is against you. Because if you do come to think that way and act in kind, then eventually everyone will be against you. OK? |
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Post by eotexas5 on Jun 21, 2023 12:56:09 GMT -5
I'm literally not sure what you're trying to argue tbh That it is a mistake to embrace negativity. It just comes back at you, magnified. The post I first responded to seemed to feel that dominant/aggressive behavior contributed to Texas winning the title. I doubt it. Texas didn't win the trophy because they perfected stare-downs. Since that first post, I've mostly just been calming people who jumped to the wrong conclusions about what I said. With no edits to the post, it is easy to go back and read it again to verify what's always been in it. It's a hell of a lot easier to have this perspective when you're on the outside looking in. Again, I disagree. I don't think there's anything wrong with embracing the villain thing and I imagine that most Texas fans feel similarly. |
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Post by texastothehouse15 on Jun 21, 2023 13:06:56 GMT -5
I don’t see how you attribute that to “goons”? It’s all in good fun and should not be taken so seriously. It fits the attitude of this team and stigma Texas volleyball has. Everyone already thinks they are overly aggressive with the stare downs and yelling at the net so why not play into it and own it? If everyone already sees them as the villain then BE THE VILLAN! I love the dominant/aggressive style we play with and I hope that never changes and I would like the photo shoot to reflect as such. Pitiful logic. You haven't proved that everyone sees Texas as the villain. You simply use that as an excuse to do what you think you want. Where does this path lead? If people (wrongly) view you as a child molester, does that give you impetus to go out and molest children? You should be more careful about what path you choose to follow. I just read your responses to everyone and you are literally all over the place. You’re taking everything quite literal and just ruined the entire vibe. We are talking about a photo shoot and somehow you mention child molesters and politics and whatever else you said. You’re not about to sit here and tell me Texas isn’t looked at as the bad guy in college athletics. Not just for volleyball but football and many other sports. As another poster said it’s why you see horns down on tv from other teams and that’s from games Texas has nothing to do with. I don’t care what you say and I’m going to say it again, Texas needs to EMBRACE the villain role and they do very well. They don’t care what anyone thinks because you really can’t say anything to them when they’re winning 🤷🏽♂️ I love their aggressive style of play and I hope that never changes. It only keeps them talked about by non Texas fans such as yourself. |
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Jun 21, 2023 14:16:25 GMT -5
Anyone else sick of the tone policing of female athletes? Again and again, it's that they are "aggressive" or "dominating" or not sufficiently humble or ladylike. These people want female athletes to smack the sh!t out of the ball and then be all "aww shucks, who me?" apologetic about being great at what they do.
No thanks.
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Post by slxpress on Jun 21, 2023 14:19:25 GMT -5
Man, I love activity.
BTW, just for context, when O'Neal talks about being the villain, she's talking about in part the fact that when Texas comes to town arenas fill up in ways they don't for any other opponent. Opposing fans love to get excited about playing Texas. That's true in a lot of sports, but it's particularly true in volleyball. A lot of these girls are really nice girls. Naturally, they want to be liked, just like any normal human being does. But if you lean into that, it can throw you off as an athlete trying to perform on the court that all these people you've never met, never interacted with, seem to want to see you lose so badly. Whatever anyone wants to say from the state of Maryland, it's a fact that Texas sees a much more intense response in that direction than other teams. MUCH more intense. There are a lot of reasons for that, but who cares about the reasons when you're a player trying to perform at your best, trying to battle emotions of not understanding why you're so disliked when from your perspective you haven't really done anything wrong?
So that's the message on the team, passed down from one teammate to another over the years. When we go into arenas, you will see reactions to us you're not expecting. That you haven't experienced as a player before. Especially in the Big 12, people take this stuff really personally, just because you wear Texas on your jersey. We still have to find a way to perform at our best. One of the ways we do that is to embrace the idea that we evoke a lot of passion from people we've never met before, and that's okay.
Heck, it was that way in Omaha for the Final Four. Especially against Louisville and favored Nebraska daughter Dani Busboom Kelly. But against USD, too.
But in the Big 12, nobody gets fans juices flowing like Texas coming to town. And frankly, for most non conference road matches, too. It's a big deal for Texas to play in teams' home arena. That's not a bad thing, but it is a thing that the Texas players have to find a way to accommodate.
I don't think that means these girls are going to go out and molest anyone. Or murder them. Or whatever.
I certainly don't think it has that much to do with what is going on in this country, which is way more about gerrymandering so the importance of appealing to the base in a one party district becomes paramount, and the advent of the internet which has created echo chambers and litmus tests to determine if you really belong to a political tribe or not. Or the pandering to those to project the most extreme views, because that's the only way to really drive a conversation with the kinds of dynamics we've created around political discussion in this country.
But going in with the mindset we're going to be cheered against vociferously everywhere we go, and what kind of mental approach do we need to take to be successful in those environments is not the same thing. It just isn't.
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Post by slxpress on Jun 21, 2023 14:21:48 GMT -5
Anyone else sick of the tone policing of female athletes? Again and again, it's that they are "aggressive" or "dominating" or not sufficiently humble or ladylike. These people want female athletes to smack the sh!t out of the ball and then be all "aww shucks, who me?" apologetic about being great at what they do. No thanks. Well, to be honest, I'm old, and I wish there was a little more humility across all sports, not just with one gender. But bat flips and touchdown celebrations are highly entertaining, and I get that. I just remember Earl Campbell when he'd score a touchdown would quietly flip the ball to the referee like it was no big deal, and I liked that. |
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