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Post by bruinsgold on Nov 27, 2023 17:42:03 GMT -5
Ending her Bruins career with a much-deserved award! Congratulations Iman!!  |
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 27, 2023 21:09:58 GMT -5
UCLA missing back to back tournaments, first time ever? With the resources, history, location, and brand UCLA has I never would have thought this is where they would be. I am very curious to see how they get back into major relevancy in the years to come in the big ten. It is a shame. UCLA should have had the resources to rebuild, especially considering all the advantages you mention. But, jumping into the B1G fire with USC may be a Bruin Volleyball death knell. The PAC12 was showing the potential to do some rebuilding as a VB conference. Unless Nebraska, Wisconsin, Purdue and Minnesota all implode, I'm not seeing any of the four PACtoBIG jumpers winning a B1G VB title anytime soon. (Not VB related: I also don't see USC or UCLA becoming a B1G Football powerhouse either.) The Bruins football for the past 25 years never had the budget to compete with the top 20 programs, above board. The amount they paid coaches is ridiculous by comparison to top 20s. The B1G money will help football, and also volleyball... and all non-revenue sports. You want top talent? Hire expensive coaches who know how to recruit them.
When I asked about contract it was in reference to Sealy, and when his employment contract was set to expire. Generally non-revenue sports don't eat years of a contract, there just isn't budget for that. so you don't just get to replace a mistake any old year... it is every five years, generally. I always assumed Sealy had a 5 year for 2011-2015, and then it renewed for 2016-2020. I would assume Reft has 2023-2027.
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 27, 2023 21:17:14 GMT -5
It is a shame. UCLA should have had the resources to rebuild, especially considering all the advantages you mention. But, jumping into the B1G fire with USC may be a Bruin Volleyball death knell. The PAC12 was showing the potential to do some rebuilding as a VB conference. Unless Nebraska, Wisconsin, Purdue and Minnesota all implode, I'm not seeing any of the four PACtoBIG jumpers winning a B1G VB title anytime soon. (Not VB related: I also don't see USC or UCLA becoming a B1G Football powerhouse either.) The Bruins football for years never had the budget to compete with the top 20 programs, above board. The amount they paid coaches is ridiculous by comparison to top 20s. The B1G money will help football, and also volleyball... and all non-revenue sports. You want top talent? Hire expensive coaches who know how to recruit them. Actually coaching them up is nice, but it isn't necessary... just create an atmosphere of positive support, respect, and meritocracy.
When I asked about contract it was in reference to Sealy, and when his employment contract was set to expire. Generally non-revenue sports don't eat years of a contract, there just isn't budget for that. so you don't just get to replace a mistake any old year... it is every five years, generally. I always assumed Sealy had a 5 year for 2011-2015, and then it renewed for 2016-2020. I would assume Reft has 2023-2027.
I feel certain Sealy's contract was re-negotiated after the 2011 National Championship, to 2017 or 18(?) The real issue is that the problems within the program surfaced really soon after that season, and were in full view of the administration by 2013, including intra and inter-player conflicts, and Sealy's own personal life. That was a really long, and rough, stretch |
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Post by VT Karen on Nov 27, 2023 21:21:53 GMT -5
Taking the long view, I'm really glad sealy is gone and Reft is in. Reft inherited an almost empty cupboard with Luper gone, Dodson in the portal, and Ndiaye with a really subpar 2022. No pins, iffy Middle without Dodson, unproven setter. What a difference the second half of the season was from the first. Audrey Pak, kudos. Dodson, kudos. Becker, kudos. Assuming Dodson and Pak are back, Alupei back healthy, there is still the issue of Pins. I don't agree with UCLA's cupboard being bare. Leverette, Olson and Hendrickson are a good trio of pins that many teams would want to have. While Ndiaye had a subpar 2022, I don't think any roster with her on it can be considered bare especially when you consider the other athletes UCLA has. The Bruins improved on their 2022 year but didn't completely take care of business with losses against Utah, Cal, LSU, Arizona and Oklahoma. |
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Post by photos1 on Nov 27, 2023 22:45:45 GMT -5
Sorry for the repeat, but UCLA changed their women’s volleyball head coach because the program needed upgrades and better coaching…so they hired one of the USNT coaches, Alfee Reft; who then spent large swaths of the off season with the national team as they played VNL matches all over the globe and then in Canada for another tournament. And then as the college season began, Reft missed matches while he was in Poland to help the US qualify for the Paris Olymplcs-good job, Alfee. The most important year for any new head coach is their first year, a year for setting program standards, but I question if a part time head coach can legitimately set those standards. I guess we’ll see.
But does anyone believe there is no cost to having a part time head coach? And there will be a repeated cost going into the 24’ season.
And based on UCLA’s clear improvement after Reft returned from Poland, the COST of his earlier absence was losing winnable matches against LSU and Oklahoma ..and let’s face it, win those two matches and UCLA is in the tournament. The cost was not making the tournament. I don’t see that as an acceptable cost for UCLA. But hey, in ‘24 the other 16 schools in the B1G are happy having both UCLA and Michigan and their very good, but part time head coaches. The B1G is gonna be difficult enough in ‘24, so having two teams with part time head coaches will absolutely be a benefit for the other 16 teams.
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 27, 2023 22:49:04 GMT -5
Taking the long view, I'm really glad sealy is gone and Reft is in. Reft inherited an almost empty cupboard with Luper gone, Dodson in the portal, and Ndiaye with a really subpar 2022. No pins, iffy Middle without Dodson, unproven setter. What a difference the second half of the season was from the first. Audrey Pak, kudos. Dodson, kudos. Becker, kudos. Assuming Dodson and Pak are back, Alupei back healthy, there is still the issue of Pins. I don't agree with UCLA's cupboard being bare. I didn't say bare, I said "almost empty". there were no elite pin hitters on the team Luper was borderline elite, and left. That is what I would call an "almost bare cupboard", when you combine Dodson in the portal and no proven setter
Reft saved Dodson. You have to give him credit for that, or UCLA would have been under .500 this year.
They didn't "completely take care of business" for many reasons, one of which was already discussed --- Reft being gone too much. The other was almost empty cupboard.
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Post by VT Karen on Nov 27, 2023 22:51:01 GMT -5
I don't agree with UCLA's cupboard being bare. Leverette, Olson and Hendrickson are a good trio of pins that many teams would want to have. While Ndiaye had a subpar 2022, I don't think any roster with her on it can be considered bare especially when you consider the other athletes UCLA has. The Bruins improved on their 2022 year but didn't completely take care of business with losses against Utah, Cal, LSU, Arizona and Oklahoma. there were no elite pin hitters on the team Luper was borderline elite, and left. That is what I would call an "almost bare cupboard", when you combine Dodson in the portal and no proven setter
Reft saved Dodson. You have to give him credit for that, or UCLA would have been under .500 this year.
They didn't "completely take care of business" b/c they didn't have an elite pin, or two almost elite pins.
Okay if that's what you mean by "almost bare cupboard" then carry on with it |
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 27, 2023 22:53:51 GMT -5
there were no elite pin hitters on the team Luper was borderline elite, and left. That is what I would call an "almost bare cupboard", when you combine Dodson in the portal and no proven setter
Reft saved Dodson. You have to give him credit for that, or UCLA would have been under .500 this year.
They didn't "completely take care of business" b/c they didn't have an elite pin, or two almost elite pins.
Okay if that's what you mean by "almost bare cupboard" then carry on with it thank you for your understanding. |
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 27, 2023 22:57:39 GMT -5
But does anyone believe there is no cost to having a part time head coach? And there will be a repeated cost going into the 24’ season. 🏐 there *was* a cost. The question is... is Reft's association with the NT a long term benefit to the program? I think it is, you may disagree. This is clearly a cost/benefit that was considered upon his hire. If UCLA could have found a better option that Reft, they would have.
I am satisfied the most of that cost was felt in the first year. From here forward I think it is a net benefit.
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 27, 2023 23:02:22 GMT -5
But does anyone believe there is no cost to having a part time head coach? And there will be a repeated cost going into the 24’ season. 🏐 there *was* a cost. The question is... is Reft's association with the NT a long term benefit to the program? I think it is, you may disagree. This is clearly a cost/benefit that was considered upon his hire. If UCLA could have found a better option that Reft, they would have. I am satisfied the most of that cost was felt in the first year. From here forward I think it is a net benefit.
They question isn’t whether they could find a better option, it’s whether they will pay for it. What benefit does UCLA get from Alfee’s association with the NT exactly? |
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 28, 2023 11:42:21 GMT -5
there *was* a cost. The question is... is Reft's association with the NT a long term benefit to the program? I think it is, you may disagree. This is clearly a cost/benefit that was considered upon his hire. If UCLA could have found a better option that Reft, they would have. I am satisfied the most of that cost was felt in the first year. From here forward I think it is a net benefit.
What benefit does UCLA get from Alfee’s association with the NT exactly? Is that even a real question?? |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 28, 2023 11:45:21 GMT -5
What benefit does UCLA get from Alfee’s association with the NT exactly? Is that even a real question?? Yes, it is. It's not akin to Speraw's situation, although lots of people act like it is. |
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Post by BadgerAce42 on Nov 28, 2023 11:59:08 GMT -5
So is Ndiaye going to UT or what?
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Post by gobruins on Nov 28, 2023 12:08:35 GMT -5
there *was* a cost. The question is... is Reft's association with the NT a long term benefit to the program? I think it is, you may disagree. This is clearly a cost/benefit that was considered upon his hire. If UCLA could have found a better option that Reft, they would have. I am satisfied the most of that cost was felt in the first year. From here forward I think it is a net benefit.
They question isn’t whether they could find a better option, it’s whether they will pay for it. What benefit does UCLA get from Alfee’s association with the NT exactly? Alfee's commitment to the National Team will end with the 2024 Olympics. BTW, not allowing an incoming coach to finish his National Team commitment is how UCLA got stuck with Mike Sealy. UCLA was set to hire Hugh McCutcheon, but unlike Minnesota, they would not allow McCutcheon to finish his NT commitment through the 2012 Olympics. |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 28, 2023 12:14:14 GMT -5
They question isn’t whether they could find a better option, it’s whether they will pay for it. What benefit does UCLA get from Alfee’s association with the NT exactly? Alfee's commitment to the National Team will end with the 2024 Olympics. BTW, not allowing an incoming coach to finish his National Team commitment is how UCLA got stuck with Mike Sealy. UCLA was set to hire Hugh McCutcheon, but unlike Minnesota, they would not allow McCutcheon to finish his NT commitment through the 2012 Olympics. Nice story, but that's not true about Hugh. But not really the point, either. Hugh was a much better known commodity than Alfee. With Alfee's commitment ending in 2024, whatever perceived benefits a NT association brings will dissipate. And what good are they if your actual coaching stint is marked by not making the NCAA tournament, and then God knows what happens next year in the B1G in terms of success. |
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