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Post by woodandsand on Jun 29, 2023 20:59:32 GMT -5
So that gives some of the Lone Star region teams hope with H Skyline at 28, HJV at 29 and AJV at 34 out of 36. Absolutely,which is why you play the game! They also didn't have their stud OH play with them all year, but was good to go for Nationals, otherwise seed would've drastically changed and she made all the difference for them.
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Post by woodandsand on Jun 29, 2023 21:02:09 GMT -5
Avery Jackson
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Post by digs on Jun 29, 2023 22:32:56 GMT -5
Madfrog last year was a bit of an exception. They’ve been a top 5 team in this age group since 12’s. And they made the podium two years ago at 15’s. So it was no surprise they were super competitive last year when they finally got healthy. That said, I’m doubtful some low seed (20 or below) will make the podium this year, but I do think there are several double digit seeds who are dangerous. I already mentioned CoJrs, but how is OT Aaron possibly seeded 17th? They just won AAU’s for godsakes. Another darkhorse is Premier (14 seed). They’re a superb ball control team but have enough fire power to beat just about anyone when they’re clicking. And they took 3rd last year, so yeah.
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Post by VBallLife on Jun 29, 2023 23:37:37 GMT -5
Madfrog last year was a bit of an exception. They’ve been a top 5 team in this age group since 12’s. And they made the podium two years ago at 15’s. So it was no surprise they were super competitive last year when they finally got healthy. That said, I’m doubtful some low seed (20 or below) will make the podium this year, but I do think there are several double digit seeds who are dangerous. I already mentioned CoJrs, but how is OT Aaron possibly seeded 17th? They just won AAU’s for godsakes. Another darkhorse is Premier (14 seed). They’re a superb ball control team but have enough fire power to beat just about anyone when they’re clicking. And they took 3rd last year, so yeah. 15’s last year an at large won (Alamo Premier) again that’s why you play!
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Post by OHVBKING on Jun 30, 2023 6:35:07 GMT -5
There isn’t any 17s team that’s “clearly the best.” That’s a bonkers statement. NKYVC is one of the top teams. No question. It wouldn’t be a shocker if they won. But it also wouldn’t be a shocker if a half dozen other teams won. There are several others right there with NKYVC. Dynasty is one of them and makes sense as the #1 seed. Not sure that they can pull off a championship without Cisneros but I expect them to have a great run. So many different teams could win this thing. There’s no front runner. But if I was going to throw out a prediction it would be TAV. Anyanwu and Livings have been absolutely unstoppable. But several other teams could be hoisting that trophy at the end. Looking forward to watching it all unfold. I missed what happened to Cisneros. NKYVC won TripleCrown and have been dominant when they have had a healthy roster. They are the #1 team based on results up to this point.
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Post by Bud Kilmer on Jun 30, 2023 11:39:20 GMT -5
Madfrog last year was a bit of an exception. They’ve been a top 5 team in this age group since 12’s. And they made the podium two years ago at 15’s. So it was no surprise they were super competitive last year when they finally got healthy. That said, I’m doubtful some low seed (20 or below) will make the podium this year, but I do think there are several double digit seeds who are dangerous. I already mentioned CoJrs, but how is OT Aaron possibly seeded 17th? They just won AAU’s for godsakes. Another darkhorse is Premier (14 seed). They’re a superb ball control team but have enough fire power to beat just about anyone when they’re clicking. And they took 3rd last year, so yeah. I forgot Jackson was hurt last year leading up to nationals. Interesting so you dont think Houston Skyline could make the podium? Lets look at their commits. One setter going to Miss State, one going to A&M, one all around player S/OH/RS going to Vandy, one OH going to Pitt, one MB going to Sam Houston, and one going to Florida. Seems like with a roster like that they should be expecting to be on the podium? I agree with you about COJRS, I said it last year going into Nationals I thought they were as good as anyone and had plus plus size.
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Post by itsallrelative on Jun 30, 2023 11:44:38 GMT -5
Madfrog last year was a bit of an exception. They’ve been a top 5 team in this age group since 12’s. And they made the podium two years ago at 15’s. So it was no surprise they were super competitive last year when they finally got healthy. That said, I’m doubtful some low seed (20 or below) will make the podium this year, but I do think there are several double digit seeds who are dangerous. I already mentioned CoJrs, but how is OT Aaron possibly seeded 17th? They just won AAU’s for godsakes. Another darkhorse is Premier (14 seed). They’re a superb ball control team but have enough fire power to beat just about anyone when they’re clicking. And they took 3rd last year, so yeah. I forgot Jackson was hurt last year leading up to nationals. Interesting so you dont think Houston Skyline could make the podium? Lets look at their commits. One setter going to Miss State, one going to A&M, one all around player S/OH/RS going to Vandy, one OH going to Pitt, one MB going to Sam Houston, and one going to Florida. Seems like with a roster like that they should be expecting to be on the podium? I agree with you about COJRS, I said it last year going into Nationals I thought they were as good as anyone and had plus plus size. IMHO College recruiting is based on potential...GJNC performance is based on current skill and team dynamics.....
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Jun 30, 2023 12:28:41 GMT -5
I forgot Jackson was hurt last year leading up to nationals. Interesting so you dont think Houston Skyline could make the podium? Lets look at their commits. One setter going to Miss State, one going to A&M, one all around player S/OH/RS going to Vandy, one OH going to Pitt, one MB going to Sam Houston, and one going to Florida. Seems like with a roster like that they should be expecting to be on the podium? I agree with you about COJRS, I said it last year going into Nationals I thought they were as good as anyone and had plus plus size. IMHO College recruiting is based on potential...GJNC performance is based on current skill and team dynamics..... This right here... no offense, but I would be shocked if Skyline makes the podium with the field at GJNC.
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Post by Bud Kilmer on Jun 30, 2023 12:31:00 GMT -5
I forgot Jackson was hurt last year leading up to nationals. Interesting so you dont think Houston Skyline could make the podium? Lets look at their commits. One setter going to Miss State, one going to A&M, one all around player S/OH/RS going to Vandy, one OH going to Pitt, one MB going to Sam Houston, and one going to Florida. Seems like with a roster like that they should be expecting to be on the podium? I agree with you about COJRS, I said it last year going into Nationals I thought they were as good as anyone and had plus plus size. IMHO College recruiting is based on potential...GJNC performance is based on current skill and team dynamics..... I dont disagree with you, it could also be some of these offers are based on who you play for? Guessing on potential vs proven when the lights are bright who can perform. To me with that much talent on one roster you should win by 17 if the offers match the talent.
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Post by itsallrelative on Jun 30, 2023 12:58:29 GMT -5
IMHO College recruiting is based on potential...GJNC performance is based on current skill and team dynamics..... I dont disagree with you, it could also be some of these offers are based on who you play for? Guessing on potential vs proven when the lights are bright who can perform. To me with that much talent on one roster you should win by 17 if the offers match the talent. IMHO at the high level, the college coaches are thinking about the player they can make the recruit into by year 2 or 3 of college.....not the player she is right now. Hypothetical-- Let's say you have 2 16 or 17YO OHs attacking on the same team....one is 5'8", hits at a .100 higher hitting Efficiency vs. the other hitter, who is 6'2" and athletic....who do you think is going to get more college interest? As far as being recruited based on who you play for---I think that is a contributing factor, if it is close between two kids....favoring the kid that has played in the higher levels vs. lower levels--college coaches can be more sure of performance...but, ONLY if it is close in potential between the two players...IMHO
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Post by vballerparent on Jun 30, 2023 13:21:15 GMT -5
I mean all these teams have rosters filled with D1 commits so not sure that it really matters that H Skyline does too.
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Post by Bud Kilmer on Jun 30, 2023 13:39:53 GMT -5
I mean all these teams have rosters filled with D1 commits so not sure that it really matters that H Skyline does too. So what separates the on court results? Why is one with that many big school commits just blown off as not even having a shot? Has to be a reason, what is it? And not picking on just Skyline, take any of the Lone star teams that were seeded so low in Houston and Austin Jrs. All are full of big time commits but for whatever reason are thought to be long shots to even compete in top bracket on day 2.
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Jun 30, 2023 13:50:33 GMT -5
I mean all these teams have rosters filled with D1 commits so not sure that it really matters that H Skyline does too. So what separates the on court results? Why is one with that many big school commits just blown off as not even having a shot? Has to be a reason, what is it? And not picking on just Skyline, take any of the Lone star teams that were seeded so low in Houston and Austin Jrs. All are full of big time commits but for whatever reason are thought to be long shots to even compete in top bracket on day 2. The same way a Top 20 collegiate team was written off for not having a shot this year against Texas. All phenominal teams, there are just levels of total talent. This may not age well but FWIW, I don't think A5 will compete either. They are dealing with injuries and ranked way too high in my opinion but it's nationals and anything can happen.
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Post by Bud Kilmer on Jun 30, 2023 14:04:20 GMT -5
So what separates the on court results? Why is one with that many big school commits just blown off as not even having a shot? Has to be a reason, what is it? And not picking on just Skyline, take any of the Lone star teams that were seeded so low in Houston and Austin Jrs. All are full of big time commits but for whatever reason are thought to be long shots to even compete in top bracket on day 2. The same way a Top 20 collegiate team was written off for not having a shot this year against Texas. All phenominal teams, there are just levels of total talent. This may not age well but FWIW, I don't think A5 will compete either. They are dealing with injuries and ranked way too high in my opinion but it's nationals and anything can happen. Eh- there is generally a physical difference in those teams national title teams and teams on the fringe of the top 25. I get they aren't the favorite to win it but to not even be thought of a threat, seems odd looking at the roster. I'm not talking about when a small college plays a big college and is just outmanned because the big college has more size but hey they are all D1 players. Looking at their commits, they have the size to play with anyone but aren't being given a chance. I just want to know why? I dont know if they beat Drive Nation Red this year but I know they played them close and tough when they did. DN is about as close to a "Texas" team there is in club because of how much they recruited to put an all star team together with an alleged all star coach. Any team that can play with DN I would think would be a perceived threat no? Same for HJV. I think Dame's point in asking about MadFrog last year and Alamos 15s last year is they came from the bottom to win.
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Jun 30, 2023 14:13:16 GMT -5
The same way a Top 20 collegiate team was written off for not having a shot this year against Texas. All phenominal teams, there are just levels of total talent. This may not age well but FWIW, I don't think A5 will compete either. They are dealing with injuries and ranked way too high in my opinion but it's nationals and anything can happen. Eh- there is generally a physical difference in those teams national title teams and teams on the fringe of the top 25. I get they aren't the favorite to win it but to not even be thought of a threat, seems odd looking at the roster. I'm not talking about when a small college plays a big college and is just outmanned because the big college has more size but hey they are all D1 players. Looking at their commits, they have the size to play with anyone but aren't being given a chance. I just want to know why? I dont know if they beat Drive Nation Red this year but I know they played them close and tough when they did. DN is about as close to a "Texas" team there is in club because of how much they recruited to put an all star team together with an alleged all star coach. Any team that can play with DN I would think would be a perceived threat no? Same for HJV. I think Dame's point in asking about MadFrog last year and Alamos 15s last year is they came from the bottom to win. Yes, and my point to that is, teams had players come back from injury to be difference makers. GJNC is about playing consistently, with some of the injuries as always, it will affect a handful of teams. For example, during the year you always see a team like Dynasty/NKYVC's effectiveness fluctuate due to kids being multi-sport athletes and playing BBall etc. Yes, they are a threat but if you take a 6'6 RS out for an injury and it will change the dynamic of a team and gameplanning in a 4 day tournament.
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