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Jul 11, 2023 16:41:30 GMT -5
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Post by slxpress on Jul 11, 2023 16:41:30 GMT -5
It’s market rates. It’s not like people in other fields aren’t compensated at exorbitant rates. Check the salary a true quantum physicist earns on Wall Street versus what they earn for pure research. Heck, plenty of people these athlete’s age are earning huge incomes via competitive gaming, twitch streaming, OnlyFans, etc.. They may not have college boosters spending money on them for competitive purposes, but similar amounts are out there. Hence the change in the NIL rules in the first place. It was unfair to allow one class of people to not be able to earn money through NIL when so many of their peers are able to. I have to admit the market rewards all kinds of compensation for activities I do not value that much, and doesn’t compensate many activities I wish earned more, but for us to create a society that reflects my values rather than the current compensation picture would require a government intervention level I’m not entirely comfortable with. But I think that's Mike's point in the first place. Does it actually bode well for the future when in the 21st century the larger "market" isn't valuing valuable skills. When we have an entire generation able to make easy money making social media posts about makeup tips, competitive video gaming, or having casual sex, who ends up doing the work we actually NEED done? We are already living in a world where expertise/intelligence continues to be politicized and devalued. It makes for an interesting future, that's for sure. I’m the founder of the Get Off My Lawn Club. I can’t tell you all the ways I think we do our future a disservice with the financial incentives (and the social incentives) we set up. But the way I would change things is different from the way you would change things, and those differences can lead to extremely fractious - possibly even violent - clashes when implementing policy. And we’d all get it wrong in some way, some how. That doesn’t mean the solution is to do nothing. But it does mean any solution has its own far reaching consequences. And in any case, while a conversation about NIL on a volleyball centric forum encompasses the subject, it’s probabaly not ideal.
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Jul 24, 2023 13:22:30 GMT -5
Post by vergyltantor on Jul 24, 2023 13:22:30 GMT -5
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Jul 24, 2023 13:34:08 GMT -5
Post by ay2013 on Jul 24, 2023 13:34:08 GMT -5
See this is where NIL stuff just makes no sense to me. Reilly Heinrich? She will likely never see any meaningful playing time at Texas and currently has a rather average 9k followers on instagram. Why would a startup shoe company trying to compete with established brands who have contracts with the big schools give her an NIL deal? What do they stand to gain from this NIL deal? And I'm not trying to hate on Heinrich here, good for her, really, I'm just trying to understand how a company sees value added upside in giving a true bench player with little name recognition money for marketing. What's the angle? Please buy our volleyball specific shoes so that you too can ride the bench? Where are they finding these marketing executives.... Devry!? NIL/Influencer branding feels like the new dot.com bubble. All these random companies just throwing money at something because it's the trend, but not enough forward thinking minds in the room to make SMART moves. Like the dot com bubble, some companies will thrive, but most will look back and realize that all they did was throw their money down the toilet.
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Jul 24, 2023 13:49:02 GMT -5
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Post by slxpress on Jul 24, 2023 13:49:02 GMT -5
They can endorse Avoli outside their official capacity as volleyball players for the university. There are problems with any kind of official association with their school (like wearing apparel with a big red N on it) while they’re doing so, and they obviously can’t wear Avoli branded clothing on the court, but Avoli knew that when they signed them.
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Jul 24, 2023 13:57:21 GMT -5
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Post by slxpress on Jul 24, 2023 13:57:21 GMT -5
See this is where NIL stuff just makes no sense to me. Reilly Heinrich? She will likely never see any meaningful playing time at Texas and currently has a rather average 9k followers on instagram. Why would a startup shoe company trying to compete with established brands who have contracts with the big schools give her an NIL deal? What do they stand to gain from this NIL deal? And I'm not trying to hate on Heinrich here, good for her, really, I'm just trying to understand how a company sees value added upside in giving a true bench player with little name recognition money for marketing. What's the angle? Please buy our volleyball specific shoes so that you too can ride the bench? Where are they finding these marketing executives.... Devry!? NIL/Influencer branding feels like the new dot.com bubble. All these random companies just throwing money at something because it's the trend, but not enough forward thinking minds in the room to make SMART moves. Like the dot come bubble, some companies will thrive, but most will look back and realize that all they did was throw their money down the toilet. Maybe she’s a good spokesperson? She is attractive, but so are a lot of volleyball players. When the announcement came I didn’t understand what made her stand out, either, but I find I don’t care. There’s a lot about marketing decisions that make no sense to me. Usually the strongest advocate in the room wins, even when they’re dumb. Not saying that’s the case here, but I’ve certainly witnessed it.
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Jul 24, 2023 14:06:22 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Jul 24, 2023 14:06:22 GMT -5
See this is where NIL stuff just makes no sense to me. Reilly Heinrich? She will likely never see any meaningful playing time at Texas and currently has a rather average 9k followers on instagram. Why would a startup shoe company trying to compete with established brands who have contracts with the big schools give her an NIL deal? What do they stand to gain from this NIL deal? And I'm not trying to hate on Heinrich here, good for her, really, I'm just trying to understand how a company sees value added upside in giving a true bench player with little name recognition money for marketing. What's the angle? Please buy our volleyball specific shoes so that you too can ride the bench? Where are they finding these marketing executives.... Devry!? NIL/Influencer branding feels like the new dot.com bubble. All these random companies just throwing money at something because it's the trend, but not enough forward thinking minds in the room to make SMART moves. Like the dot come bubble, some companies will thrive, but most will look back and realize that all they did was throw their money down the toilet. Maybe she’s a good spokesperson? She is attractive, but so are a lot of volleyball players. When the announcement came I didn’t understand what made her stand out, either, but I find I don’t care. There’s a lot about marketing decisions that make no sense to me. Usually the strongest advocate in the room wins, even when they’re dumb. Not saying that’s the case here, but I’ve certainly witnessed it. This is how NIL is supposed to work--it takes place in the actual labor market. It's the fact that everyone is wondering what this has to do with volleyball that reflects the real problem.
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Jul 24, 2023 14:08:30 GMT -5
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Post by slxpress on Jul 24, 2023 14:08:30 GMT -5
Maybe she’s a good spokesperson? She is attractive, but so are a lot of volleyball players. When the announcement came I didn’t understand what made her stand out, either, but I find I don’t care. There’s a lot about marketing decisions that make no sense to me. Usually the strongest advocate in the room wins, even when they’re dumb. Not saying that’s the case here, but I’ve certainly witnessed it. It's the fact that everyone is wondering what this has to do with volleyball that reflects the real problem. I honestly don’t understand exactly what you mean by that. Do you mind explaining a little further?
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Jul 24, 2023 14:09:35 GMT -5
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 24, 2023 14:09:35 GMT -5
Maybe she’s a good spokesperson? She is attractive, but so are a lot of volleyball players. When the announcement came I didn’t understand what made her stand out, either, but I find I don’t care. There’s a lot about marketing decisions that make no sense to me. Usually the strongest advocate in the room wins, even when they’re dumb. Not saying that’s the case here, but I’ve certainly witnessed it. This is how NIL is supposed to work--it takes place in the actual labor market. It's the fact that everyone is wondering what this has to do with volleyball that reflects the real problem. What is the real problem?
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 24, 2023 14:17:40 GMT -5
It's the fact that everyone is wondering what this has to do with volleyball that reflects the real problem. I honestly don’t understand exactly what you mean by that. Do you mind explaining a little further? The company hiring her is a separate [legitimate] entity in the labor market. The collectives meanwhile are creations specifically for the purpose of entering the labor market on behalf of athletes. The legal underpinning of NIL is that the NCAA market (which is the amateur student-athlete sphere) is a legal monopoly (technically a monopsony) as long as it maintains its influence in restricts its influence to the educational sphere and operates separately from the labor market. It's very possible that the athlete has a connection to the company that is hiring her (could be a personal friend, friend of the family, or even a booster), but the separation (i.e. no university affiliated collective) is what makes it (or keeps it) "legal".
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Jul 26, 2023 9:30:18 GMT -5
Post by bluepenquin on Jul 26, 2023 9:30:18 GMT -5
www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/sens-joe-manchin-tommy-tuberville-introduce-bill-addressing-nil-transfer-rules-in-college-athletics/Article from CBS yesterday on a Senate bill addressing NIL. I have no idea if this particular bill will have any legs - but I do think congress will get into this with something. I don't see having different NIL laws depending on the state is a sustainable model for college athletics. And I am pretty sure the NCAA will not be able to handle this. Not sure what all this bill does in terms of NIL, but what I found interesting was a transfer rule. <<Another notable provision in the bill would require athletes to complete three years of residency at a given institution before being eligible to transfer without penalty. Currently NCAA rules allow undergraduate athletes to transfer one time at any point of their college career with immediate eligibility.>> This may only pertain to football? For me - I like the current rules on transfers and I don't think this is an area that congress should be involved (unless directly connected with something like NIL).
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Jul 26, 2023 9:36:26 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Jul 26, 2023 9:36:26 GMT -5
www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/sens-joe-manchin-tommy-tuberville-introduce-bill-addressing-nil-transfer-rules-in-college-athletics/Article from CBS yesterday on a Senate bill addressing NIL. I have no idea if this particular bill will have any legs - but I do think congress will get into this with something. I don't see having different NIL laws depending on the state is a sustainable model for college athletics. And I am pretty sure the NCAA will not be able to handle this. Not sure what all this bill does in terms of NIL, but what I found interesting was a transfer rule. <<Another notable provision in the bill would require athletes to complete three years of residency at a given institution before being eligible to transfer without penalty. Currently NCAA rules allow undergraduate athletes to transfer one time at any point of their college career with immediate eligibility.>> This may only pertain to football? For me - I like the current rules on transfers and I don't think this is an area that congress should be involved (unless directly connected with something like NIL). Manchin was a former D1 football player and Tuber was a football coach. This version gives the NCAA over-sight powers and FTC referral authority in addition to containing this transfer provision. The version by Booker has a separate entity/committee with oversight responsibility.
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Jul 26, 2023 10:35:25 GMT -5
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Post by slxpress on Jul 26, 2023 10:35:25 GMT -5
www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/sens-joe-manchin-tommy-tuberville-introduce-bill-addressing-nil-transfer-rules-in-college-athletics/Article from CBS yesterday on a Senate bill addressing NIL. I have no idea if this particular bill will have any legs - but I do think congress will get into this with something. I don't see having different NIL laws depending on the state is a sustainable model for college athletics. And I am pretty sure the NCAA will not be able to handle this. Not sure what all this bill does in terms of NIL, but what I found interesting was a transfer rule. <<Another notable provision in the bill would require athletes to complete three years of residency at a given institution before being eligible to transfer without penalty. Currently NCAA rules allow undergraduate athletes to transfer one time at any point of their college career with immediate eligibility.>> This may only pertain to football? For me - I like the current rules on transfers and I don't think this is an area that congress should be involved (unless directly connected with something like NIL). They’ve been talking about this for a while. Meanwhile Tuberville has managed to upset quite a few people by singlehandedly preventing military promotions because of a clause allowing for the payment of military personnel to travel out of state for abortion services. He’s not exactly putting himself in a position to earn support across the aisle for anything he puts on the table - which he’s going to need to even get a version of this bill through committees and on to the floor of the senate, much less through a House-Senate committee. And it’s not like Manchin can call in a bunch of Democratic favors either. They need him to keep control of the Senate, but he’s the least Democrat of all the Democrats in Washington to keep his seat - which is up for re-election, btw. Oh, and anyone who thinks anyone is going to be happy about what finally comes out of Congress - when it finally does, which we’re still a ways away from - is kidding themselves. It is good the bill has been written and put out there, but it has a whole lot of hair all over it. I wouldn’t get too hopeful about anything getting done this session, that’s for sure. BTW, Manchin is close friends with Saban. Tuberville is a snake, has always been a snake. As entertaining as I found it, one of the many crappy things he’s done I’ll remember him for is leaving a Texas Tech recruiting banquet at a restaurant to take a different head coaching job. Not convinced there’s ever a good time, but some are worse than others.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 26, 2023 11:46:46 GMT -5
www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/sens-joe-manchin-tommy-tuberville-introduce-bill-addressing-nil-transfer-rules-in-college-athletics/Article from CBS yesterday on a Senate bill addressing NIL. I have no idea if this particular bill will have any legs - but I do think congress will get into this with something. I don't see having different NIL laws depending on the state is a sustainable model for college athletics. And I am pretty sure the NCAA will not be able to handle this. Not sure what all this bill does in terms of NIL, but what I found interesting was a transfer rule. <<Another notable provision in the bill would require athletes to complete three years of residency at a given institution before being eligible to transfer without penalty. Currently NCAA rules allow undergraduate athletes to transfer one time at any point of their college career with immediate eligibility.>> This may only pertain to football? For me - I like the current rules on transfers and I don't think this is an area that congress should be involved (unless directly connected with something like NIL). They’ve been talking about this for a while. Meanwhile Tuberville has managed to upset quite a few people by singlehandedly preventing military promotions because of a clause allowing for the payment of military personnel to travel out of state for abortion services. He’s not exactly putting himself in a position to earn support across the aisle for anything he puts on the table - which he’s going to need to even get a version of this bill through committees and on to the floor of the senate, much less through a House-Senate committee. And it’s not like Manchin can call in a bunch of Democratic favors either. They need him to keep control of the Senate, but he’s the least Democrat of all the Democrats in Washington to keep his seat - which is up for re-election, btw. Oh, and anyone who thinks anyone is going to be happy about what finally comes out of Congress - when it finally does, which we’re still a ways away from - is kidding themselves. It is good the bill has been written and put out there, but it has a whole lot of hair all over it. I wouldn’t get too hopeful about anything getting done this session, that’s for sure. BTW, Manchin is close friends with Saban. Tuberville is a snake, has always been a snake. As entertaining as I found it, one of the many crappy things he’s done I’ll remember him for is leaving a Texas Tech recruiting banquet at a restaurant to take a different head coaching job. Not convinced there’s ever a good time, but some are worse than others. Manchin being the Democrat co-sponsor of the bill probably makes this version of the bill unlikely - I get that. But getting something done is pretty bi-partisan and something that I think will eventually happen. Certainly not thinking something will happen for next year.
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Post by slxpress on Jul 26, 2023 12:06:00 GMT -5
They’ve been talking about this for a while. Meanwhile Tuberville has managed to upset quite a few people by singlehandedly preventing military promotions because of a clause allowing for the payment of military personnel to travel out of state for abortion services. He’s not exactly putting himself in a position to earn support across the aisle for anything he puts on the table - which he’s going to need to even get a version of this bill through committees and on to the floor of the senate, much less through a House-Senate committee. And it’s not like Manchin can call in a bunch of Democratic favors either. They need him to keep control of the Senate, but he’s the least Democrat of all the Democrats in Washington to keep his seat - which is up for re-election, btw. Oh, and anyone who thinks anyone is going to be happy about what finally comes out of Congress - when it finally does, which we’re still a ways away from - is kidding themselves. It is good the bill has been written and put out there, but it has a whole lot of hair all over it. I wouldn’t get too hopeful about anything getting done this session, that’s for sure. BTW, Manchin is close friends with Saban. Tuberville is a snake, has always been a snake. As entertaining as I found it, one of the many crappy things he’s done I’ll remember him for is leaving a Texas Tech recruiting banquet at a restaurant to take a different head coaching job. Not convinced there’s ever a good time, but some are worse than others. Manchin being the Democrat co-sponsor of the bill probably makes this version of the bill unlikely - I get that. But getting something done is pretty bi-partisan and something that I think will eventually happen. Certainly not thinking something will happen for next year. Oh, of course something is going to happen eventually. But the timing is material. A law getting passed in two years is different than a law getting passed in five years. We’ll see what happens. But we’ve had people saying on this thread that in the meantime antitrust lawsuits are going to save the day. There’s nothing that’s going to “save the day” other than Congress, and when that’s going to happen or what form it’s going to take are critically important. In any case, the announcement of this bill is important. It helps at least shape the conversation, which we desperately need.
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Jul 26, 2023 12:14:31 GMT -5
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jul 26, 2023 12:14:31 GMT -5
Who are the projected top earners?
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