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Post by ay2013 on Aug 2, 2023 14:46:58 GMT -5
Imagine the B1G plus Stanford, Oregon, & Washington. Insane. Idk much about Cal’s program but they haven’t been ranked anytime lately so they might be easy considering teams now have to take on Wisconsin, Nebraska, Stanford, Oregon, Penn State, Minnesota, Purdue, UCLA, USC, Ohio State, Illinois.. it’s just madness. if they create east / west divisions all the pac12 schools are just gonna be grouped together again LOL I made a post about this in a different thread.... Personally, I hate it. It's no good for volleyball, unless you are Penn State. It will be a constant grind for the "middle" teams (and there are a lot of them) to qualify for the NCAA Tournament, and it exposes the top 2 teams in conference to even more losses which hurts their chances at hosting a regional.
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Post by lionsfan on Aug 2, 2023 14:53:06 GMT -5
Personally, I hate it. It's no good for volleyball, unless you are Penn State. Wow, the Nittany Lions really do live rent free in your head.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 2, 2023 14:57:14 GMT -5
if they create east / west divisions all the pac12 schools are just gonna be grouped together again LOL I made a post about this in a different thread.... Personally, I hate it. It's no good for volleyball, unless you are Penn State. It will be a constant grind for the "middle" teams (and there are a lot of them) to qualify for the NCAA Tournament, and it exposes the top 2 teams in conference to even more losses which hurts their chances at hosting a regional. Not really, I'm calling a spade a spade. Any sort of regional divisions in the Big 10 will benefit Penn State because their closest teams are Rutgers, Maryland, and the Michigans. I don't BLAME Penn State for the advantage, but if calling out that advantage is somehow offensive to you, that's your issue, not mine.
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Post by vbruh on Aug 2, 2023 14:58:29 GMT -5
This isn't about volleyball, we all know that...it's mainly football and some basketball. It's going to happen, in one shape or another, so how does this affect volleyball? I see 20 teams in pairs, so over a 19-game season, you host 5 weekends, and travel 5 weekends, with a single game against your "pair" for the odd match.
Nebraska/Iowa Wisconsin/Northwestern Purdue/Indiana Ohio St/Penn St Mich St/Michigan Rutgers/Maryland Cal/Stanford Washington/Orgeon USC/UCLA Minnesota/Illinois (this is the only stretch but MN doesn't have a natural pair)
This works just fine, and allows 1 additional non conference game.
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Post by vergyltantor on Aug 2, 2023 15:02:18 GMT -5
This isn't about volleyball, we all know that...it's mainly football and some basketball. It's going to happen, in one shape or another, so how does this affect volleyball? I see 20 teams in pairs, so over a 19-game season, you host 5 weekends, and travel 5 weekends, with a single game against your "pair" for the odd match. Nebraska/Iowa Wisconsin/Northwestern Purdue/Indiana Ohio St/Penn St Mich St/Michigan Rutgers/Maryland Cal/Stanford Washington/Orgeon USC/UCLA Minnesota/Illinois (this is the only stretch but MN doesn't have a natural pair) This works just fine, and allows 1 additional non conference game. There were a few times Minnesota and Wisconsin were paired. This would leave a Northwestern/Illinois pair.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 2, 2023 15:05:28 GMT -5
This isn't about volleyball, we all know that...it's mainly football and some basketball. It's going to happen, in one shape or another, so how does this affect volleyball? I see 20 teams in pairs, so over a 19-game season, you host 5 weekends, and travel 5 weekends, with a single game against your "pair" for the odd match. Nebraska/Iowa Wisconsin/NorthwesternPurdue/Indiana Ohio St/Penn St Mich St/Michigan Rutgers/Maryland Cal/Stanford Washington/Orgeon USC/UCLA Minnesota/Illinois (this is the only stretch but MN doesn't have a natural pair)This works just fine, and allows 1 additional non conference game. except that it makes much more sense for Illinois/Northwestern to be a pair and Wisconsin/Minnesota to be a pair.
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Post by vbruh on Aug 2, 2023 15:09:49 GMT -5
This isn't about volleyball, we all know that...it's mainly football and some basketball. It's going to happen, in one shape or another, so how does this affect volleyball? I see 20 teams in pairs, so over a 19-game season, you host 5 weekends, and travel 5 weekends, with a single game against your "pair" for the odd match. Nebraska/Iowa Wisconsin/NorthwesternPurdue/Indiana Ohio St/Penn St Mich St/Michigan Rutgers/Maryland Cal/Stanford Washington/Orgeon USC/UCLA Minnesota/Illinois (this is the only stretch but MN doesn't have a natural pair)This works just fine, and allows 1 additional non conference game. except that it makes much more sense for Illinois/Northwestern to be a pair and Wisconsin/Minnesota to be a pair. No doubt but that's a heck of a road trip for some teams to compete on Friday in Madison and Sunday in Minneapolis. Maybe I am being too nice for visiting squads! Nevertheless, the concept works, right?
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 2, 2023 15:24:50 GMT -5
except that it makes much more sense for Illinois/Northwestern to be a pair and Wisconsin/Minnesota to be a pair. No doubt but that's a heck of a road trip for some teams to compete on Friday in Madison and Sunday in Minneapolis. Maybe I am being too nice for visiting squads! Nevertheless, the concept works, right? Sure, but I think if you are trying to minimize travel and cost while maximizing interest (which is usually regional) three time zone specific divisions make more sense EastOhio State/Penn State Michigan/Michigan State Rutgers/Maryland MidwestWisconsin/Minnesota Purdue/Indiana Nebraska/Iowa Northwestern/Illinois WestCal/Stanford UCLA/USC Washington/Oregon There are traditionally 10 weeks of conference play, though I could see the conference agreeing to make it 11 weeks of conference play with a mandatory tournament, and 3 weeks of non-conference play. 5 weeks would be for intra-division play, 5 weeks would be for inter-division pair play. Top two teams from each division + two at large form an 8 team conference championship tournament.
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Post by exit237a on Aug 2, 2023 15:26:25 GMT -5
Imagine the B1G plus Stanford, Oregon, & Washington. Insane. Idk much about Cal’s program but they haven’t been ranked anytime lately so they might be easy considering teams now have to take on Wisconsin, Nebraska, Stanford, Oregon, Penn State, Minnesota, Purdue, UCLA, USC, Ohio State, Illinois.. it’s just madness. If the Big Ten is destined to expand beyond the upcoming additions of USC and UCLA, I'd rather have these Pac-12 schools join than Clemson and Florida State, who are also rumored as potential additions. At least those West Coast schools could retain or renew their former fellow conference rivalries and it would be less of a geographic mess than adding two schools from the Southeast.
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Post by n00b on Aug 2, 2023 15:30:49 GMT -5
I made a post about this in a different thread.... Personally, I hate it. It's no good for volleyball, unless you are Penn State. It will be a constant grind for the "middle" teams (and there are a lot of them) to qualify for the NCAA Tournament, and it exposes the top 2 teams in conference to even more losses which hurts their chances at hosting a regional. Not really, I'm calling a spade a spade. Any sort of regional divisions in the Big 10 will benefit Penn State because their closest teams are Rutgers, Maryland, and the Michigans. I don't BLAME Penn State for the advantage, but if calling out that advantage is somehow offensive to you, that's your issue, not mine. (1) It would be very surprising to me if they had geographic divisions. They would/should go back to travel partners for cross-country travel, but with the money they are making they should be spending that on chartered flights for a balanced schedule. 20 teams should be a single round robin plus a conference tournament. (2) I guess it would be a benefit to winning the conference title, but playing crappy teams is not a benefit to teams trying to get a high seed in the NCAA tournament. I think Penn State would ALSO be opposed to a schedule that intentionally matched them up with Rutgers and Maryland more often than other Big Ten schools. (Also, a top team playing Rutgers, Iowa or Cal really isn't that different. And Maryland is often in the 60-80 RPI range, so no worse than the Indianas or Northwesterns of the world.)
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Post by vergyltantor on Aug 2, 2023 15:32:12 GMT -5
No doubt but that's a heck of a road trip for some teams to compete on Friday in Madison and Sunday in Minneapolis. Maybe I am being too nice for visiting squads! Nevertheless, the concept works, right? Sure, but I think if you are trying to minimize travel and cost while maximizing interest (which is usually regional) three time zone specific divisions make more sense EastOhio State/Penn State Michigan/Michigan State Rutgers/Maryland MidwestWisconsin/Minnesota Purdue/Indiana Nebraska/Iowa Northwestern/Illinois WestCal/Stanford UCLA/USC Washington/Oregon There are traditionally 10 weeks of conference play, though I could see the conference agreeing to make it 11 weeks of conference play with a mandatory tournament, and 3 weeks of non-conference play. 5 weeks would be for intra-division play, 5 weeks would be for inter-division pair play. Top two teams from each division + two at large form an 8 team conference championship tournament. Everyone plays other teams in their their division (with perhaps the exception of the midwest which has two extra teams), and then there are cross-overs This might eliminate the need for travel partners within divisions. I would bet that BTN/Fox/NBC would want matches spread throughout the week as opposed to back to back weekend matches for everyone.
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Post by volleyaudience on Aug 2, 2023 15:34:05 GMT -5
Not really, I'm calling a spade a spade. Any sort of regional divisions in the Big 10 will benefit Penn State because their closest teams are Rutgers, Maryland, and the Michigans. I don't BLAME Penn State for the advantage, but if calling out that advantage is somehow offensive to you, that's your issue, not mine. (1) It would be very surprising to me if they had geographic divisions. They would/should go back to travel partners for cross-country travel, but with the money they are making they should be spending that on chartered flights for a balanced schedule. 20 teams should be a single round robin plus a conference tournament. (2) I guess it would be a benefit to winning the conference title, but playing crappy teams is not a benefit to teams trying to get a high seed in the NCAA tournament. I think Penn State would ALSO be opposed to a schedule that intentionally matched them up with Rutgers and Maryland more often than other Big Ten schools. (Also, a top team playing Rutgers, Iowa or Cal really isn't that different. And Maryland is often in the 60-80 RPI range, so no worse than the Indianas or Northwesterns of the world.) Yes. Everyone play everyone else one time.
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Post by n00b on Aug 2, 2023 15:39:03 GMT -5
Sure, but I think if you are trying to minimize travel If they add six west coast schools to the conference, they pretty clearly aren't too interested in doing this. They have plenty of money. Competitive balance should and would be a bigger concern. I'm not sure I agree with this. Long-standing rivalries are one thing. And having those teams play twice would make sense. But otherwise, it's the premier matchups that will excite fans not the fact that the opponent is a 7 hour drive away instead of 17 hours.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 2, 2023 15:48:01 GMT -5
Sure, but I think if you are trying to minimize travel If they add six west coast schools to the conference, they pretty clearly aren't too interested in doing this. They have plenty of money. Competitive balance should and would be a bigger concern. I'm not sure I agree with this. Long-standing rivalries are one thing. And having those teams play twice would make sense. But otherwise, it's the premier matchups that will excite fans not the fact that the opponent is a 7 hour drive away instead of 17 hours. Just because they HAVE money, doesn't mean they WANT to spend it on unnecessary travel. I would think that they are still incentivized to keep travel and costs in check. Re the regional interest, I do agree that premier matchups excite fans, but for the the non-revenue sports, other than a handful of programs in very specific sports, it's not always known WHO will be the best teams which will actually generate that "premier" matchup. I think in any given year, it will be easier to count on regional matchups (many of which ARE long standing rivalries) driving eyes for the non-revenue sports. Take for instance Washington volleyball, we generally have good attendance when compared to the rest of the west coast schools. I don't think you'd see any real difference in interest between when Washington played USC or UCLA, who have been mediocre for quite some time, or if Ohio State or Purdue played in Seattle, who were ranked pretty high for much of the season last year.
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Post by savannahbadger on Aug 2, 2023 15:48:43 GMT -5
if they create east / west divisions all the pac12 schools are just gonna be grouped together again LOL It’s pretty much a merger of the Big Ten plus 6 of the old PAC-8. West (PAC) Division: USC UCLA Oregon Washington Cal Stanford Wisconsin Minnesota Nebraska Iowa East (B1G) Division Ohio State Michigan Michigan State Penn State Illinois Northwestern Maryland Rutgers Indiana Purdue For football and probably basketball, this seems to make more sense than trying to get USC & UCLA shoehorned into the current Big Ten. This probably means a West round robin and an East round robin plus 3 non conference games, and then a conference championship game that pretty much locks in a spot in the CFP. I’m not sure how this works for the other sports.
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