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Post by vbruh on Jun 21, 2023 10:54:01 GMT -5
I wonder if it would benefit both coaches and players if NCAA slightly changed their dates:
June 15 - 1st contact
July 15 (or post-GJNC) - Official visits allowed.
Aug 15 - Scholarship offers now allowed.
I'm sure there will be some level of implied scholarships, but this could eliminate girls from pressure of committing so fast, and prior to an actual on-campus visit.
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Post by blackiechan1999 on Jun 21, 2023 10:56:33 GMT -5
I wonder if it would benefit both coaches and players if NCAA slightly changed their dates: June 15 - 1st contact July 15 (or post-GJNC) - Official visits allowed. Aug 15 - Scholarship offers now allowed. I'm sure there will be some level of implied scholarships, but this could eliminate girls from pressure of committing so fast, and prior to an actual on-campus visit. May run into the trouble of time conflicts with National teams. |
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Post by underthenet on Jun 21, 2023 11:11:57 GMT -5
I wonder if it would benefit both coaches and players if NCAA slightly changed their dates: June 15 - 1st contact July 15 (or post-GJNC) - Official visits allowed. Aug 15 - Scholarship offers now allowed. I'm sure there will be some level of implied scholarships, but this could eliminate girls from pressure of committing so fast, and prior to an actual on-campus visit. Bless you for thinking coaches would be honorable enough to go two months without offering a kid  |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 21, 2023 11:16:13 GMT -5
The big oversight, imo, was simply not allowing anyone to commit in 8th grade. Before you had time to talk to coaches and slowly form a rapport with them. That could be followed by players going to camps and seeing campuses for themselves. I realize that I can only speak to my DD's experience, but the old format allowed her to have a concrete idea of which schools she wanted to seriously consider. It also allowed her to tell other schools "No thank you." before June 15th which made that part of the process much more manageable. I changed my original post because I was being too flippant. While 15 offers is overwhelming, it's a great compliment to that player and a fantastic problem to have. And this is where parental/coaching guidance comes in. A 16 yo shouldn't have to make these kinds of decisions entirely on their own. I appreciate the self correction.  Your observation about parental/ coaching guidance is spot on. I will maintain that we provided that for our daughter when she was going through the process as a 7th and 8th grader. At that age the process only gets as out of hand as you, as a parent, allow it to. I am firmly against 8th graders making verbal commitments, but I'm also not in favor of delaying everything until now. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 21, 2023 11:18:31 GMT -5
I wonder if it would benefit both coaches and players if NCAA slightly changed their dates: June 15 - 1st contact July 15 (or post-GJNC) - Official visits allowed. Aug 15 - Scholarship offers now allowed. I'm sure there will be some level of implied scholarships, but this could eliminate girls from pressure of committing so fast, and prior to an actual on-campus visit. I think your timeline is on the right track and allows kids the opportunity to at least check out one or maybe two campuses. |
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Post by OHVBKING on Jun 21, 2023 11:39:39 GMT -5
A player of any age can take an unofficial visit to any school at any time. Very obvious from some of the snapshots lots of players taking unofficial visits right now
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Post by oldnewbie on Jun 21, 2023 11:51:55 GMT -5
I changed my original post because I was being too flippant. While 15 offers is overwhelming, it's a great compliment to that player and a fantastic problem to have. And this is where parental/coaching guidance comes in. A 16 yo shouldn't have to make these kinds of decisions entirely on their own. I appreciate the self correction. Your observation about parental/ coaching guidance is spot on. I will maintain that we provided that for our daughter when she was going through the process as a 7th and 8th grader. At that age the process only gets as out of hand as you, as a parent, allow it to. I am firmly against 8th graders making verbal commitments, but I'm also not in favor of delaying everything until now. Its a catch-22. The NCAA has no control over verbal commitments, so the moment coaches can communicate, you by definition allow verbal commits at that point. If you try to open communication earlier, you necessarily open up verbal commits earlier. The only way a verbal commit is currently not allowed, is because any verbal commit prior to when communication is allowed indicates a clear violation in NCAA communication rules. I don't see any feasible way that the NCAA can allow communication to start earlier but delay verbal commits until some later date. |
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Post by jwvolley on Jun 21, 2023 11:57:05 GMT -5
I appreciate the self correction. Your observation about parental/ coaching guidance is spot on. I will maintain that we provided that for our daughter when she was going through the process as a 7th and 8th grader. At that age the process only gets as out of hand as you, as a parent, allow it to. I am firmly against 8th graders making verbal commitments, but I'm also not in favor of delaying everything until now. Its a catch-22. The NCAA has no control over verbal commitments, so the moment coaches can communicate, you by definition allow verbal commits at that point. If you try to open communication earlier, you necessarily open up verbal commits earlier. The only way a verbal commit is currently not allowed, is because any verbal commit prior to when communication is allowed indicates a clear violation in NCAA communication rules. I don't see any feasible way that the NCAA can allow communication to start earlier but delay verbal commits until some later date. Can they control the date of offering of scholarship? |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Jun 21, 2023 12:01:25 GMT -5
A player of any age can take an unofficial visit to any school at any time. Very obvious from some of the snapshots lots of players taking unofficial visits right now I know they can’t have anything to do with coaching staffs on these visits, but can they interact with players? Or even former players who may conveniently be around during unofficial visits? |
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Post by haterade on Jun 21, 2023 12:07:00 GMT -5
A player of any age can take an unofficial visit to any school at any time. Very obvious from some of the snapshots lots of players taking unofficial visits right now I know they can’t have anything to do with coaching staffs on these visits, but can they interact with players? Or even former players who may conveniently be around during unofficial visits? Some light reading 🤣 web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/bylawView?id=328web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/bylawView?id=11595Sounds like bumping into a former player isn’t against the rules but the situation always matters |
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Post by oldnewbie on Jun 21, 2023 12:12:56 GMT -5
Its a catch-22. The NCAA has no control over verbal commitments, so the moment coaches can communicate, you by definition allow verbal commits at that point. If you try to open communication earlier, you necessarily open up verbal commits earlier. The only way a verbal commit is currently not allowed, is because any verbal commit prior to when communication is allowed indicates a clear violation in NCAA communication rules. I don't see any feasible way that the NCAA can allow communication to start earlier but delay verbal commits until some later date. Can they control the date of offering of scholarship? No, because there is nothing official or binding about it, so the NCAA has no involvement. You can't ban something that doesn't actually exist. |
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Post by Friday on Jun 21, 2023 12:16:16 GMT -5
A player of any age can take an unofficial visit to any school at any time. Very obvious from some of the snapshots lots of players taking unofficial visits right now I know they can’t have anything to do with coaching staffs on these visits, but can they interact with players? Or even former players who may conveniently be around during unofficial visits? Yes they can accidentally run into players. But they are still missing out on tours of the facilities and most importantly sitting down face to face with coaches etc. |
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Post by OHVBKING on Jun 21, 2023 13:27:39 GMT -5
if a perspective student-athlete schedules a visit with the admission office on their own they can get a tour of all of the facilities just as any student that goes through the admission office.
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Post by Friday on Jun 21, 2023 13:37:16 GMT -5
if a perspective student-athlete schedules a visit with the admission office on their own they can get a tour of all of the facilities just as any student that goes through the admission office. Not of the volleyball/athletic facilities. If I'm making a trip to campus, I want her to see and meet the people and places she will be spending most of her time with. |
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Post by volleyaudience on Jun 21, 2023 13:52:57 GMT -5
A player of any age can take an unofficial visit to any school at any time. Very obvious from some of the snapshots lots of players taking unofficial visits right now Visiting a campus, and an acutal "unofficial visit" are not the same thing. Would you be willing to explain? I thought they were the same. |
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