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Post by robtearle on Jun 24, 2023 10:19:40 GMT -5
Isn't he one year removed from winning a National championship, and poised to do the same this year? Whatever he's doing seems to be working okay. He won a championship with 5 or 6 super seniors that were all 21 and 22 years old... and transfers all over. This isn't a negative thing.... but Sheff rely heavy on the portal. Younglings are taking note. The only two transfer players who played a significant role for Wisconsin during the 2021 championship season were libero Lauren Barnes, and DS Gio Civita, and then to a lesser extent DS Joslyn Boyer. Everybody else - Rettke, Hilley, Loberg, Smrek, Robinson, Orzol, Hart, Ashburn, Demps - were Sheffield UW recruits. (And the team they played in the finals had transfers Kayla Caffey and Lexi Sun playing for them.)
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Post by slxpress on Jun 24, 2023 10:25:20 GMT -5
He won a championship with 5 or 6 super seniors that were all 21 and 22 years old... and transfers all over. This isn't a negative thing.... but Sheff rely heavy on the portal. Younglings are taking note. The only two transfer players who played a significant role for Wisconsin during the 2021 championship season were libero Lauren Barnes, and DS Gio Civita, and then to a lesser extent DS Joslyn Boyer. Everybody else - Rettke, Hilley, Loberg, Smrek, Robinson, Orzol, Hart, Ashburn, Demps - were Sheffield UW recruits. (And the team they played in the finals had transfers Kayla Caffey and Lexi Sun playing for them.) I wouldn’t say Lexi Sun was playing for them, Bob.
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Post by robtearle on Jun 24, 2023 10:31:02 GMT -5
The only two transfer players who played a significant role for Wisconsin during the 2021 championship season were libero Lauren Barnes, and DS Gio Civita, and then to a lesser extent DS Joslyn Boyer. Everybody else - Rettke, Hilley, Loberg, Smrek, Robinson, Orzol, Hart, Ashburn, Demps - were Sheffield UW recruits. (And the team they played in the finals had transfers Kayla Caffey and Lexi Sun playing for them.) I wouldn’t say Lexi Sun was playing for them, Bob. (First, my name is Robert, not Bob.) I was talking, for both teams, about the season as a whole. Sun played in 27 matches and 70 sets during 2021, 2.26 kills per set. (Joslyn Boyer didn't appear in the final, if that's what we're going to focus on.)
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Post by slxpress on Jun 24, 2023 10:34:05 GMT -5
I wouldn’t say Lexi Sun was playing for them, Bob. (First, my name is Robert, not Bob.) I was talking, for both teams, about the season as a whole. Sun played in 27 matches and 70 sets during 2021, 2.26 kills per set It’s an Office Space reference. “I see you’ve been missing a lot of work lately.” “I wouldn’t say I’ve been missing it, Bob.” I’m being snarky about Lexi Sun’s impact in the championship match. Don’t mind me.
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Post by horns1 on Jun 24, 2023 10:49:45 GMT -5
He won a championship with 5 or 6 super seniors that were all 21 and 22 years old... and transfers all over. This isn't a negative thing.... but Sheff rely heavy on the portal. Younglings are taking note. The only two transfer players who played a significant role for Wisconsin during the 2021 championship season were libero Lauren Barnes, and DS Gio Civita, and then to a lesser extent DS Joslyn Boyer. Everybody else - Rettke, Hilley, Loberg, Smrek, Robinson, Orzol, Hart, Ashburn, Demps - were Sheffield UW recruits. (And the team they played in the finals had transfers Kayla Caffey and Lexi Sun playing for them.) Ah, so only 3 of the primary passers.
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Post by robtearle on Jun 24, 2023 10:55:12 GMT -5
The only two transfer players who played a significant role for Wisconsin during the 2021 championship season were libero Lauren Barnes, and DS Gio Civita, and then to a lesser extent DS Joslyn Boyer. Everybody else - Rettke, Hilley, Loberg, Smrek, Robinson, Orzol, Hart, Ashburn, Demps - were Sheffield UW recruits. (And the team they played in the finals had transfers Kayla Caffey and Lexi Sun playing for them.) Ah, so only 3 of the primary passers. Boyer played primarily when Civita was injured. Orzol was also a 'primary passer' as was Loberg at times. So two of the three at any given time, yes. And none of the hitters. BTW: While we're at it, I count FIVE of the ten Texas players on the floor during last year's championship match as having been transfers. So why aren't 'we' talking about their reliance on transfers?
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Post by bballin on Jun 24, 2023 11:03:51 GMT -5
Ah, so only 3 of the primary passers. Boyer played primarily when Civita was injured. Orzol was also a 'primary passer' as was Loberg at times. So two of the three at any given time, yes. And none of the hitters. BTW: While we're at it, I count FIVE of the ten Texas players on the floor during last year's championship match as having been transfers. So why aren't 'we' talking about their reliance on transfers? Because texas predominantly recruits High schoolers first....... transfers just happen if needed. Sheff is likely browsing the portal right now looking to fill his scholarships
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Post by austinhorn21 on Jun 24, 2023 11:07:09 GMT -5
Ah, so only 3 of the primary passers. Boyer played primarily when Civita was injured. Orzol was also a 'primary passer' as was Loberg at times. So two of the three at any given time, yes. And none of the hitters. BTW: While we're at it, I count FIVE of the ten Texas players on the floor during last year's championship match as having been transfers. So why aren't 'we' talking about their reliance on transfers? Not sure why this is a big deal. The goal each year is to win a championship. It doesn’t matter if you bring in transfers or recruit all the players as high schoolers. The goal is to build a team that can achieve your goal. There are several things that go into building a great team and it’s not just talent. All the teams at the top have talent. The elite schools that are being mentioned are the best at building championship teams year in and year out.
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Post by 25or624 on Jun 24, 2023 11:27:27 GMT -5
"Not sure why this is a big deal. The goal each year is to win a championship. It doesn’t matter if you bring in transfers or recruit all the players as high schoolers. The goal is to build a team that can achieve your goal. There are several things that go into building a great team and it’s not just talent. All the teams at the top have talent. The elite schools that are being mentioned are the best at building championship teams year in and year out."
This is spot on in my opinion. Adapt and evolve or fall behind is the new world order. Coach Elliott and Coach Sheffield do what they need to do to be successful at their jobs. I'm sure that they, like every other employee, are subject to pressure from above and external pressures as well. There is no point in being a "purist" who finishes in the middle of the pack every year. As a fan, I appreciate being able to root for a team that is competitive every year.
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Post by slxpress on Jun 24, 2023 11:28:01 GMT -5
Ah, so only 3 of the primary passers. Boyer played primarily when Civita was injured. Orzol was also a 'primary passer' as was Loberg at times. So two of the three at any given time, yes. And none of the hitters. BTW: While we're at it, I count FIVE of the ten Texas players on the floor during last year's championship match as having been transfers. So why aren't 'we' talking about their reliance on transfers? To me a bigger question is why are you defending Wisconsin using transfers? Who cares? Is there an asterisk on the banner I’m unaware of? I watched some Texas fans get defensive about criticisms that the staff assembled an all star team and that’s the only way Elliott could win another national championship, while I’m like, who cares? The banner is still going to be the same size as the other 3. No rules were broken. No opponents had to forfeit matches. As far as I’m concerned, scoreboard. Honestly, when it comes to critical Nebraska fans (and tbh, there are not that many - Nebraska fans are fantastic for the most part - it’s just the most dramatic ones get the most attention) if I was a Wisconsin fan I would have some kind of hotkey that just posted “Scoreboard” over and over again. “Wisconsin only won a championship because of 5th year players!” “Scoreboard.” “Wisconsin only got Wardlow because Nebraska didn’t offer. But I’m sure she’ll be a fine player for you guys.” “Scoreboard.” “Wisconsin can’t develop setters and backrow players.” “Scoreboard.” “Be happy about Simon because the Wisconsin staff just got bad news on the recruiting front.” “Scoreboard.” I mean, when you have the level of dominance over another program the way Wisconsin has had over Nebraska, at what point do you stop taking any criticism from their fans seriously? Because I feel like you guys should have passed that point already.
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Post by robtearle on Jun 24, 2023 11:33:59 GMT -5
Boyer played primarily when Civita was injured. Orzol was also a 'primary passer' as was Loberg at times. So two of the three at any given time, yes. And none of the hitters. BTW: While we're at it, I count FIVE of the ten Texas players on the floor during last year's championship match as having been transfers. So why aren't 'we' talking about their reliance on transfers? Because texas predominantly recruits High schoolers first....... transfers just happen if needed. Sheff is likely browsing the portal right now looking to fill his scholarships Again: - 2021 championship match, Wisconsin had two transfers on the floor. - 2022 championship match, Texas had five transfers on the floor.
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Post by 25or624 on Jun 24, 2023 11:36:48 GMT -5
"Be happy about Simon because the Wisconsin staff just got bad news on the recruiting front."
Was there an actual commitment behind the "bad news"? [I know the original jab didn't originate with sixpress. I think it was "b ballin" or something like that.] Thanks.
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Post by slxpress on Jun 24, 2023 11:37:41 GMT -5
Because texas predominantly recruits High schoolers first....... transfers just happen if needed. Sheff is likely browsing the portal right now looking to fill his scholarships Again: - 2021 championship match, Wisconsin had two transfers on the floor. - 2022 championship match, Texas had five transfers on the floor. It’s a shame we couldn’t put a whole rotation of transfers out there. That would have REALLY upset some people.
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Post by slxpress on Jun 24, 2023 11:41:47 GMT -5
"Be happy about Simon because the Wisconsin staff just got bad news on the recruiting front."Was there an actual commitment behind the "bad news"? [I know the original jab didn't originate with sixpress. I think it was "b ballin" or something like that .] Thanks. That was photos1. I think I may be the only person who likes photos. Which I do. But I have no idea if they were just throwing out a jab at Wisconsin fans or if they have actual knowledge of a recruitment that went sour. Could be either one. But regardless of whether I like photos or not, or whether it was a truthful statement or not, it was for sure a petty comment. Of which I’m guilty of at times myself, so not trying to judge. But no. No actual commitment news. And avid quickly put out the caveat that it was photos making the comment, so the veracity was questionable. And then they had a small exchange.
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Post by USC✌🏼 on Jun 24, 2023 12:06:13 GMT -5
Just read an article on spears that she wants to visit her top schools first and she won’t make any decision until she visits her last school. She also mentions that she would love to play for the big10 or the SEC. Spears' ultimate decision will be based on
her initial discussions with coaches ,her interactions with prospective teammates, the universities academic options, but most importantly—the success of the program.
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