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Post by n00b on Mar 12, 2023 18:00:18 GMT -5
You use the format that large basketball conferences have used for years. Only teams #9+ play on day 1. Teams #5-#8 get a bye and start on day 2. Teams #1-#4 get a double bye and start on day 3. Allows it all to be at 1 venue with no more than 4 games per day. #5 wouldn't get a BYE after the conference expansion. You'd be forced to give #1-#4 a double bye and no one else - #5 would have to play TWO matches before facing off against #4.
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Post by n00b on Mar 12, 2023 21:39:08 GMT -5
Oh and by the way, in 2011 UConn was seeded #9 in that format, won 5 games in 5 days to win the big east tournament to go from 9th in the conference to a #3 seed in the NCAA tournament.
They then went on to win the national championship, so I don’t buy the whole multi-game fatigue leading into the tournament thing.
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 12, 2023 22:26:19 GMT -5
Oh and by the way, in 2011 UConn was seeded #9 in that format, won 5 games in 5 days to win the big east tournament to go from 9th in the conference to a #3 seed in the NCAA tournament. They then went on to win the national championship, so I don’t buy the whole multi-game fatigue leading into the tournament thing. 2011 UConn is the only team to ever do that, so they were very much the exception.
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Post by n00b on Mar 12, 2023 22:46:42 GMT -5
Oh and by the way, in 2011 UConn was seeded #9 in that format, won 5 games in 5 days to win the big east tournament to go from 9th in the conference to a #3 seed in the NCAA tournament. They then went on to win the national championship, so I don’t buy the whole multi-game fatigue leading into the tournament thing. 2011 UConn is the only team to ever do that, so they were very much the exception. How often would you expect a team who finished 9th in their own conference to win a national championship?
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 12, 2023 22:49:50 GMT -5
2011 UConn is the only team to ever do that, so they were very much the exception. How often would you expect a team who finished 9th in their own conference to win a national championship? Not often, but wasn't your argument that fatigue isn't much a factor because of 2011 UConn? Oh and by the way, in 2011 UConn was seeded #9 in that format, won 5 games in 5 days to win the big east tournament to go from 9th in the conference to a #3 seed in the NCAA tournament. They then went on to win the national championship, so I don’t buy the whole multi-game fatigue leading into the tournament thing. If that's your argument, it seems rather dubious. If you were arguing something else, then by all means clarify.
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 13, 2023 9:21:33 GMT -5
I have been one that never cared about the Conference Tournaments - back when I was actually following Men's Basketball. I always thought the winner was meaningless - and it was much more important to get the team ready for the NCAA Tournament - which is what really mattered. But I always felt I was in the minority. The Conference Tournament seemed to be a huge deal for a lot of people.
I believe - the Big Ten could structure their season such that they could play a conference tournament. I think a Big Ten Conference VB tournament would mean something - and I also think it would be a blast to watch. I think the B1G would make money - and I think the event could help grow the sport, it would bring more people to watching. The players would like it.
It is also my opinion that VB should structure their schedule such that there are (more) non-conference matches in October and November.
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Post by Kearney Kingston on Mar 13, 2023 10:32:05 GMT -5
This would be smart move by the Big Ten IMO. 15 game conference season - with a conference tournament to end the season. They could make this into a big profit making event (that will continue to grow - and grow the sport) - much like the ACC did in basketball many decades ago. SEC should follow suit once Vandy is up. Another smart move by the Big Ten - play non conference matches during the 'conference season' - which a 15 game season would allow. 16 team conference is setup great for this (balanced regular season conference schedule - full conference tournament). I am guessing players and coaches would love this (we already know at least one coach does). Related - adding USC/UCLA with a regular 20 match conference season may do weird things to those previous RPI's and impact tournament seedings and bids. Be pro-active. A 15-match conference season seems like a lot of lost revenue for the programs that sell out their arenas. Power 5 coaches recently led the push to change the match limit to 32 matches instead of 28 dates so they could play more. But now Shondell thinks they are playing too much? I didn’t know there was a movement to play less 2 matches per week. That seems unnecessary to me. I have heard Sheffield express concern over too many league matches. Not sure he is opposed to more non-conference matches. Also. Texas just won a National Championship playing less regular season matches than most any team in the country.
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Post by coachdavid on Mar 13, 2023 12:29:21 GMT -5
Also. Texas just won a National Championship playing less regular season matches than most any team in the country. Thats a specious argument. Texas wins the NC regardless of if they play an extra match or three.
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Post by stevehorn on Mar 13, 2023 13:00:00 GMT -5
Also. Texas just won a National Championship playing less regular season matches than most any team in the country. Thats a specious argument. Texas wins the NC regardless of if they play an extra match or three. Agree. We have played the fewest or nearly the fewest number of matches for at least the last three non-COVID years. Didn't help us win a NC prior to last year. Part of the reason for fewer is that we have two byes during the conference schedule (thanks to Okie State not fielding a VB team) and haven't scheduled a OOC opponent during those byes. Also we haven't been scheduling any three match weeks (IIRC) during non-conference.
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 13, 2023 13:07:20 GMT -5
Also. Texas just won a National Championship playing less regular season matches than most any team in the country. Thats a specious argument. Texas wins the NC regardless of if they play an extra match or three. Right. Texas won the title because they were the best team, not the number of matches they played. The only way playing a few extra matches would have prevented them from winning the title is if they happened to suffer key injuries during those matches. Otherwise, they were going to win.
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Post by vballfreak808 on Mar 14, 2023 10:11:33 GMT -5
Looks like the SEC is getting a conference tournament in 2024
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 14, 2023 11:39:57 GMT -5
Looks like the SEC is getting a conference tournament in 2024 That's pretty cool. I would have thought the Big Ten would be the one ahead of the curve on this, but good for the SEC.
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Post by Friday on Mar 14, 2023 11:52:15 GMT -5
I think the SEC is making moves to make the conference a big player in volleyball.
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Post by anOPINionATEDbeACH(hookemboo) on Mar 14, 2023 12:12:12 GMT -5
I think the SEC is making moves to make the conference a big player in volleyball. As they should. Its the best overall conference in country. They need to do a better job promoting volleyball as they do for other sports.
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Post by trojansc on Mar 14, 2023 13:02:46 GMT -5
Looks like the SEC is getting a conference tournament in 2024 That's pretty cool. I would have thought the Big Ten would be the one ahead of the curve on this, but good for the SEC. It just means more.
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