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Post by bbg95 on Mar 14, 2023 14:04:56 GMT -5
I think the SEC is making moves to make the conference a big player in volleyball. As they should. Its the best overall conference in country. They need to do a better job promoting volleyball as they do for other sports. I agree. There is too much football money and too much volleyball talent in that part of the country. It's only a matter of time before the SEC is a top league.
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Post by stevehorn on Mar 14, 2023 14:10:39 GMT -5
As they should. Its the best overall conference in country. They need to do a better job promoting volleyball as they do for other sports. I agree. There is too much football money and too much volleyball talent in that part of the country. It's only a matter of time before they're a top league. A drawback is that a good bit of the area doesn't have a strong club system and women's basketball is more dominant.
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Post by Friday on Mar 14, 2023 17:03:40 GMT -5
SEC has a bit of an ego. I think they want to be the top conference in pretty much every sport. Volleyball is where they will focu$ next. With all the football money plus Texas and Oklahoma coming they are ready to level up.
The SEC schools have lots of NIL money too and that will start to trickle down do volleyball.
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 14, 2023 18:23:27 GMT -5
I think the SEC has a potential first-mover advantage here, since none of the other P5s have a conference tournament. If they can really make it a showcase, then that draws extra attention to SEC volleyball and helps promote the growth of the sport in the conference. I've changed my mind on this. At first, I wasn't really in favor of conference tournaments because I don't think they really benefit the teams that make the tournament every year and are seeded nearly every year. But I think that's kind of a selfish way to look at it. I think conference tournaments are a good thing for the rest of the teams in the conference (e.g. teams that are on the bubble to get in, teams that are on the bubble to host, teams that need to win the auto-bid to get in), so I'm now in favor.
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Post by Friday on Mar 14, 2023 20:01:40 GMT -5
Also think it gives teams who may not make the NCAAs something to look forward to and to keep fighting for. A reason to keep going at the end of the season. It’s always fun to be the spoiler!
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Post by trojansc on Mar 31, 2024 17:45:51 GMT -5
Packed arenas. Electric atmospheres. Championship environments. Wall-to-wall TV coverage. We’re doing a disservice to our top volleyball athletes by not allowing them to experience these great events. Watching NC State this year in the Elite 8 also made me think of Kansas State again. Sure, most people would have put K-State in the tournament anyways.. but.. imagine if they could have made a run in the conference tournament and then a run in the NCAA's. *maybe* even an Indiana from the B1G or UCLA from the PAC.. or... ironically NC State from the ACC could have done the same thing too...
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 31, 2024 18:33:38 GMT -5
I think the SEC has a potential first-mover advantage here, since none of the other P5s have a conference tournament. If they can really make it a showcase, then that draws extra attention to SEC volleyball and helps promote the growth of the sport in the conference. I've changed my mind on this. At first, I wasn't really in favor of conference tournaments because I don't think they really benefit the teams that make the tournament every year and are seeded nearly every year. But I think that's kind of a selfish way to look at it. I think conference tournaments are a good thing for the rest of the teams in the conference (e.g. teams that are on the bubble to get in, teams that are on the bubble to host, teams that need to win the auto-bid to get in), so I'm now in favor. I do think that ACTUAL contenders for the NCAA tournament championship would prefer to NOT have a conference tournament right before the NCAA tournament. I agree it *could* help bubble teams in the top conferences get bids to the NCAA tournament however, IMO, there are better ways to ensuring the best at-large teams are selected for the NCAA tournament than having a bunch of possible triple dipping (teams playing each other for a third time) late season tournament. If we were to go to a conference tournament format for all conferences, for the Big 10, I'd like to see a schedule where every traveling pair plays each other once, and have TWO conference tournaments. A mid-season tournament which has all of the teams in some round-robin format, and two separate season end tournaments - one for the top 4 teams to determine the conference champion / auto bid (losers of the first match also play each other), and one for the next 6-8 teams.
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 31, 2024 20:11:42 GMT -5
I think the SEC has a potential first-mover advantage here, since none of the other P5s have a conference tournament. If they can really make it a showcase, then that draws extra attention to SEC volleyball and helps promote the growth of the sport in the conference. I've changed my mind on this. At first, I wasn't really in favor of conference tournaments because I don't think they really benefit the teams that make the tournament every year and are seeded nearly every year. But I think that's kind of a selfish way to look at it. I think conference tournaments are a good thing for the rest of the teams in the conference (e.g. teams that are on the bubble to get in, teams that are on the bubble to host, teams that need to win the auto-bid to get in), so I'm now in favor. I do think that ACTUAL contenders for the NCAA tournament championship would prefer to NOT have a conference tournament right before the NCAA tournament. I agree it *could* help bubble teams in the top conferences get bids to the NCAA tournament however, IMO, there are better ways to ensuring the best at-large teams are selected for the NCAA tournament than having a bunch of possible triple dipping (teams playing each other for a third time) late season tournament. If we were to go to a conference tournament format for all conferences, for the Big 10, I'd like to see a schedule where every traveling pair plays each other once, and have TWO conference tournaments. A mid-season tournament which has all of the teams in some round-robin format, and two separate season end tournaments - one for the top 4 teams to determine the conference champion / auto bid (losers of the first match also play each other), and one for the next 6-8 teams. That sounds rather convoluted. If the Big 10 did a conference tournament, I imagine it would just be a typical 16-team tournament.
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Post by bbg95 on Mar 31, 2024 20:13:07 GMT -5
Packed arenas. Electric atmospheres. Championship environments. Wall-to-wall TV coverage. We’re doing a disservice to our top volleyball athletes by not allowing them to experience these great events. Watching NC State this year in the Elite 8 also made me think of Kansas State again. Sure, most people would have put K-State in the tournament anyways.. but.. imagine if they could have made a run in the conference tournament and then a run in the NCAA's. *maybe* even an Indiana from the B1G or UCLA from the PAC.. or... ironically NC State from the ACC could have done the same thing too... That would be something to see. NC State is two wins away from being the biggest Cinderella story in the history of March Madness.
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 1, 2024 2:30:14 GMT -5
I do think that ACTUAL contenders for the NCAA tournament championship would prefer to NOT have a conference tournament right before the NCAA tournament. I agree it *could* help bubble teams in the top conferences get bids to the NCAA tournament however, IMO, there are better ways to ensuring the best at-large teams are selected for the NCAA tournament than having a bunch of possible triple dipping (teams playing each other for a third time) late season tournament. If we were to go to a conference tournament format for all conferences, for the Big 10, I'd like to see a schedule where every traveling pair plays each other once, and have TWO conference tournaments. A mid-season tournament which has all of the teams in some round-robin format, and two separate season end tournaments - one for the top 4 teams to determine the conference champion / auto bid (losers of the first match also play each other), and one for the next 6-8 teams. That sounds rather convoluted. If the Big 10 did a conference tournament, I imagine it would just be a typical 16-team tournament. hmmm I suppose it depends on your definition of convoluted? The mid season idea was more of a showcase/conference jamboree type deal - a site would be pre-determined. I could also be totally fine with a mid season bye week, especially given how much travel is going to be asked of certain teams. Re the season end tournament, imo, the only real value for P4 conferences to do it is to maximize RPI values and the nitty-gritty outputs for tournament selection and placement. Given that, the best outcome for any given conference is for the top teams to only play each other, the middle teams to only play each other, and the bottom teams be excluded all together. I do agree with you that if the Big 10 moved to a tournament, the likely outcome is a full conference tournament, but that doesn't mean it's the smart thing to do.
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Post by volleav on Apr 1, 2024 8:29:40 GMT -5
American conference brings back a tournament this year. SEC I think starts next year? Who does that leave not having a conference tournament. Just the other power 5s (if you count Pac-2 as a power 5).
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 1, 2024 9:20:31 GMT -5
American conference brings back a tournament this year. SEC I think starts next year? Who does that leave not having a conference tournament. Just the other power 5s (if you count Pac-2 as a power 5). The Pac-2 is definitely not a P5 anymore. The CFP was already changed (five auto-bids, including the top G5, instead of the original six) to reflect that.
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