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Post by Norah Sus on May 15, 2024 14:09:38 GMT -5
It is also a common criticism that OHs have an easier time making awards than a MB since they play the full rotation. That's why we rarely see MB getting player of the year. And even though MB don't play all around, they can still be "well rounded" like any other position by being skilled at offense and defense. So that should be taken more into consideration. Another thing middles do is prevent their entire team from getting concussions. Touches that aren't kill blocks are severely underrated. |
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Post by n00b on May 15, 2024 14:20:04 GMT -5
So? Why should those teams be position-specific? Because they purposely made it 7 people. They call it a “team.” We know they’re not playing a match, but those two things suggest it should be an actual “lineup.” Also what are you saying about your own league if your Setter of the Year and Middle of the year don’t make your first team? It’s an insult to those players. Oh good grief. An insult? It means the fourth outside is better than the top middle. That IS possible. And if there are bonuses going to the best players, it should go to the seven best. You’ve only made an argument for quotas. Do you actually believe that any of the setters were more valuable than the OHs chosen? If we started next season with a full blind draft, would any returning setter or middle be chosen in the first round? |
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Post by Norah Sus on May 15, 2024 14:26:35 GMT -5
Yes, I believe that one setter would make a bigger impact than a fourth OH?
Are you saying you would draft all 7 of these players before drafting a middle or setter?
Anyway you asked why people thought these should match a team and we told you.
I’m glad you’re satisfied with how they were formed!
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Post by volleysota on May 15, 2024 14:30:26 GMT -5
Because they purposely made it 7 people. They call it a “team.” We know they’re not playing a match, but those two things suggest it should be an actual “lineup.” Also what are you saying about your own league if your Setter of the Year and Middle of the year don’t make your first team? It’s an insult to those players. Agreed to this. It would be a different story if the teams had 10 players for example, but 7 is the exactly number of a starting lineup, which has positions, so it would have made more sense that it had the positions of a lineup on each team. I also agree that there should be the best middle and setter on first team. Especially because so many setters won POTW honors, and none are good enough for first team? I don't think though that the Rookie (Rising Star) award needs to be first team though. I'm curious to know which of the pins on that first team would be playing middle and setter if they were to ever play a match. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on May 15, 2024 14:39:47 GMT -5
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Post by utoolity on May 15, 2024 17:46:15 GMT -5
Yes, I believe that one setter would make a bigger impact than a fourth OH? Are you saying you would draft all 7 of these players before drafting a middle or setter? Anyway you asked why people thought these should match a team and we told you. I’m glad you’re satisfied with how they were formed! Yes I will draft the three pins on a team before the setter. |
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Post by Norah Sus on May 15, 2024 18:28:36 GMT -5
Yes, I believe that one setter would make a bigger impact than a fourth OH? Are you saying you would draft all 7 of these players before drafting a middle or setter? Anyway you asked why people thought these should match a team and we told you. I’m glad you’re satisfied with how they were formed! Yes I will draft the three pins on a team before the setter. That wasn’t quite the question. Not all 7 are OH. noob thinks you should be able to draft the entire first team of 7 before picking a setter or a middle. So you’d pick two opps and four OH before a single setter? Glad we are not drafting a team together! |
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Post by n00b on May 15, 2024 20:49:29 GMT -5
Yes I will draft the three pins on a team before the setter. That wasn’t quite the question. Not all 7 are OH. noob thinks you should be able to draft the entire first team of 7 before picking a setter or a middle. So you’d pick two opps and four OH before a single setter? Glad we are not drafting a team together! A league-wide draft. Seven different teams get a first round draft pick. Yeah, all seven teams could pick an outside. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 16, 2024 9:12:30 GMT -5
The NFL, NHL and MLB also do all-league teams by position. |
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Post by spideas on May 16, 2024 10:08:18 GMT -5
The NFL, NHL and MLB also do all-league teams by position. Real time update... The NBA (I am a NBA Nerd as well as Volleyball...) just changed their policy this year to go positionless.... Not sure if that impacted PVF's decision.. If there are incentive bonuses for making all league (as there are in the NBA... If you make an all NBA team, you become eligible for a higher tier contract.... ) the positionless structure favors selecting the best players even if they do not comprise a "Team"... I will watch this debate as I don't have strong feelings for or against the framework... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team#:~:text=Starting%20with%20the%202023%E2%80%9324,positional%20model%20in%201955%E2%80%9356. |
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Post by babyhusker on May 16, 2024 10:20:21 GMT -5
PVF announced their all-league first and second teams, but managed to royally screw them up. How, you ask? 1] The first team has no setter, no middles, and 6 pins. 2] Second team has 3 middles, 3 setters, no libero, and 1 pin. First team: OH - Leah Edmond, Claire Chaussee, Betty de la Cruz, Brooke Nuneviller OPP - Emiliya Dimitrova, Anna Lazareva L - Morgan hentz S - NOPE! MB - NOPE! Second team: S - Marlie Monserez, Nootsara Tomkom, Alisha Glass Childress OH - Reagan Cooper MB - Hristina Vuchkova, Kaz Brown, Ronika Stone OPP - NOPE! L - NOPE! So? Why should those teams be position-specific? I agree in general that teams don’t need to be position-specific and that the best 7 players should get the cut. But we also have to be realistic about the nature of each position. Do we really think that DLC is better as an OH than Tomkom is as a setter? With the overall contribution to the team? Or that Vuchkova, who led the league in BPS, should be below Chaussee and/or Nuneviller who both struggled at points to terminate and were benched? This is not a knock on any of those players, and I recognize there are other skills involved like being 6 ro as well as the intangibles like leadership we don’t see. And you could also say that, because every team with a 1st teamer made it to the playoffs, it has a lot to do with team success, which is fair. Then why is Tomkom not first team? Absolutely not. Either expand the teams to include more players or go with the 7-player lineup. But if they want to put the best players first, then they should do that. That’s not where we are. |
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Post by hopefuldawg on May 16, 2024 10:27:54 GMT -5
That wasn’t quite the question. Not all 7 are OH. noob thinks you should be able to draft the entire first team of 7 before picking a setter or a middle. So you’d pick two opps and four OH before a single setter? Glad we are not drafting a team together! A league-wide draft. Seven different teams get a first round draft pick. Yeah, all seven teams could pick an outside. Alternative argument: Are you choosing DLC over any of the middles or setters on 2nd team? Other than Monserez, I wouldn't draft DLC before those middles/setters. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 16, 2024 10:59:49 GMT -5
The NFL, NHL and MLB also do all-league teams by position. Real time update... The NBA (I am a NBA Nerd as well as Volleyball...) just changed their policy this year to go positionless.... Not sure if that impacted PVF's decision.. If there are incentive bonuses for making all league (as there are in the NBA... If you make an all NBA team, you become eligible for a higher tier contract.... ) the positionless structure favors selecting the best players even if they do not comprise a "Team"... I will watch this debate as I don't have strong feelings for or against the framework... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team#:~:text=Starting%20with%20the%202023%E2%80%9324,positional%20model%20in%201955%E2%80%9356. Fair enough. It sort of makes sense with the NBA, but volleyball is a sport with pretty defined positions more like baseball and football. |
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Post by genisvel on May 18, 2024 12:05:43 GMT -5
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Post by redcard🏐 on May 18, 2024 18:40:40 GMT -5
Who splits the $1M? Players only, players, staff and coaches??
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