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Post by beachgrad on Nov 21, 2023 16:24:09 GMT -5
Kate was robbed, no way Zayna is better than Kate. I think a lot of people think Zayna is better than Kate, or at least, that Zayna has more potential than Kate. I don't think Zayna necessarily deserved this award more than Kate, but I understand why coaches would vote that way. I agree with this. Kate may have had the better conference season but Zayna overall is a better setter. I would have not complained if it was the other way around. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 21, 2023 16:27:28 GMT -5
McIntosh was the best setter in the Big West this season. Don't @ me.
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 21, 2023 16:28:09 GMT -5
I think a lot of people think Zayna is better than Kate, or at least, that Zayna has more potential than Kate. I don't think Zayna necessarily deserved this award more than Kate, but I understand why coaches would vote that way. I agree with this. Kate may have had the better conference season but Zayna overall is a better setter. I would have not complained if it was the other way around. I don't think it's really about Zayna being a better setter. For a good many of the BW coaches, it's more about what a type of setter a setter should be. Kate doesn't fit that mold for them, regardless of the stats. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 21, 2023 16:29:19 GMT -5
If Lang really played like SOY, Hawaii would have won the conference. Her inconsistency was a big reason why Hawaii's pins struggled as badly as they did.
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Post by Kangaroo on Nov 21, 2023 16:29:24 GMT -5
weird to win so many weekly awards but not make first team but idk the mechanics of how this works so idk.
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Post by JJVb on Nov 21, 2023 16:32:41 GMT -5
Who does vote for the awards-the coaches?
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 21, 2023 16:34:30 GMT -5
If Lang really played like SOY, Hawaii would have won the conference. Her inconsistency was a big reason why Hawaii's pins struggled as badly as they did. And no one criticized Lang's inconsistency more than Hawai'i fans, but look where we are. lol |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 21, 2023 16:35:14 GMT -5
Who does vote for the awards-the coaches? Yes, each coach votes, but can't vote for their own players. |
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Post by twkpwrbtmlib on Nov 21, 2023 17:49:00 GMT -5
hope this fuel kate and the bows to win the tourney.
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Post by GauchoFreg on Nov 21, 2023 18:22:43 GMT -5
Really happy for Michelle Ohwobete. She was so solid and consistent for the Gauchos this year. I have a 5yo that I've passed on my Gaucho addiction to and he always looks for her first when I turn one of their games on the tube. He always assumes that after every Gaucho kill she was behind it and he is very often right.
Congrats to Peed, McKnight, Farmer, Kreiling and Matt Jones. I think SB was picked to finish 4th, what a phenomenal first year for Jones.
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Post by ACE on Nov 21, 2023 19:35:07 GMT -5
Really happy for Michelle Ohwobete. She was so solid and consistent for the Gauchos this year. I have a 5yo that I've passed on my Gaucho addiction to and he always looks for her first when I turn one of their games on the tube. He always assumes that after every Gaucho kill she was behind it and he is very often right. Congrats to Peed, McKnight, Farmer, Kreiling and Matt Jones. I think SB was picked to finish 4th, what a phenomenal first year for Jones. Agreed, great season for SB this year. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 21, 2023 19:44:26 GMT -5
repeating that 4 teams is optimal, fits with this year. If Cal Poly was 10-8, then well, 3 teams is optimal. , if one is going to look at it totally from the vantage of 'helping' the top teams, then the conference should really not have a BWCT, or just base the BWCT on RPI, and not even top 100, top 75 maybe if one wants 'optimization' it should use relegation instead as a strategy the primary purpose is to showcase VB for the conference, and grow the conference. it's not to satisfy 'what's best for Hawaii' or even any other team. frankly, a 3 team tournament is likely best if one wants to maximize RPI, but then why have a tournament it's going to change every year the dynamics of at-large 4 is NOT optimal, it's CONVENIENT to a narrative for this year The immediate purpose of the BWCT is to award the AQ, and possibly help and not hurt the conference teams with at-large chance. Longer term purpose for the tournament is 'showcase' and 'grow' BW WVB. Yes, '4' is conveniently optimal for this year as we have four BWC teams < 100 RPI. The RPI 100 benchmark follows NCAA selection committee 'wisdom'. Their nitty gritty, their grouping highlighting losses over 100 RPI. They could have picked RPI 75, but they didn't, possibly they like round numbers. I don't think you'd suggest that we vary the number of teams BWCT eligible each year, and I'd agree. So we need to pick an optimal size for the tournament. And, we don't 'showcase' the BWC by sending the NCAAT non-competitive bid stealers, I think you'd agree. The fan and player interest would quickly become derision. So conventional NCAA 'wisdom' suggests the optimal benchmark cut-off be around RPI 100. Teams with worse RPI being totally non-competitive for the NCAAT 'at-large' and generally 1st round fodder for the top 32 teams. Agree we don't know the future but we do know the past. Going back to 2016 no more than four BWC teams have been < 100 RPI in a season. Besides this year, it last happened in 2016. Hawai'i got the AQ that year and none received an at-large. Without a tournament this year, we'd again have just one AQ and that's it. With the tournament, there is an opportunity for an AQ and an at-large. The odds of that type of outcome increases when the tournament size is minimized to a group sized to those with NCAAT competitiveness. The odds decrease when the tournament is expanded to increase participation to those with RPI beyond that benchmark. Expand it too large and the extra participation invites derision and mockery. The Big West compromised from the optimal four team format that recent BWC historical strength suggested, and decided on a six-team format with the hope that it drives sufficient participation and interest from the mid and bottom of the conference to help them grow their programs. If conference strength improves to regularly support five teams in the six-team BWCT all with RPI <= 100, say within the next four years, then I can agree they optimally sized the tournament. I'm not entirely in disagreement with much of what you say. but again, your premise is not the premise of why the Big West is having a BWCT. It's simply not. coming at it from the angle of 'doing as much as possible to secure berths' IS NOT what the BWCT is based on. So if you think that is what is should be based on, then contact the coaches and league. And frankly, what you've provided is along the lines of 'what can the BWCT do for HAwaii or we don't want it' swarm that didn't want it in the first place. you seem to be evaluating almost everything on the BWCT doing as much as possible to help the selection bubble teams. The BWCT isn't designed for that, and I actually agree it shouldn't, that's NOT nor SHOULD IT BE the purpose. Now, it does and can provide some benefit to that, and how well that happens will vary from year to year. the primary purpose is to generate interest in the volleyball in the conference and franlky, in the BWCT tournament itself. It's hard to argue that this year's BWCT is not accomplishing that! The BWCT is giving the conference additional visibility and kept up more interest to the very last game for 7 (almost 8) teams, because of UCSD's situation. That's good. The seeds get a distinct advantage, the at-large bubble teams have an opportunity to add a good RPI win or two, and also get a shot at an at-large. Thats good. Now, is there some chance a team like SB could drop and get the 'shaft' from the BWCT? remote this year, and sooner or later it will happen likely, but hopefully not or rarely. Certainly there are 4 teams (Beach, Irvine, Poly, Davis) that have zilch shot at an at-large without a BWCT, and one, Hawaii with a questionable shot. we can argue till the cows come home about a 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 11 team tournament all we want. every year the optimal field for at-large 'help' will in fact vary. the 6 teams is a reasonable, not optimal, attempt towards that. It's not perfect, I'm sure you'd agree. what it does do is the primary purpose. so in terms of supproting both goals, I think 6 is better. usually teams with 0.500 winning record or better will be in the BWCT, and while 1 or 2 might not be great for RPI, so be it. again, if you want the Big West to do something to 'boost' RPIs of top teams, then I'd argue a conference tournament isn't really the vehicle to do that, go to relegation of teams in divisions and make the lowest 5, have to 'earn' their way up into a higher relegation division. if you want the BWCT to basically be an at-large boost then yeah, 3 or 4 teams might be best, but again, that is not the goal of the BWCT, it's simply not. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 21, 2023 19:50:13 GMT -5
I think a lot of people think Zayna is better than Kate, or at least, that Zayna has more potential than Kate. I don't think Zayna necessarily deserved this award more than Kate, but I understand why coaches would vote that way. I agree with this. Kate may have had the better conference season but Zayna overall is a better setter. I would have not complained if it was the other way around. smh at the debate over these two setters. I guess obviously the coaches don't know squat as usual. I mean, how is Amber not POY (J/k), she got robbed! I called Ohwebete POY first btw! clutch would I rather have Lang setting Beach vs. Meyer? No, and not gonna explain why. would I rather have Bullis setting Hawaii vs. Lang? Not gonna even go there. Would I rather have McIntosh vs. Lang or Bullis? not gonna go there. The 'setter' (two of them combined into one!) for SB was pretty good this year. these awards are largely to the victor goes the spoils, and they did! |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 21, 2023 19:54:41 GMT -5
McIntosh was the best setter in the Big West this season. Don't @ me. well, that's debateable, when it's a 6-2. when a setter has limited duties, like in a 6-2, it's difficult to assess. granted, will a conference ever go to awards : the 5-1 setter of the year award & the 6-2 setter of the year award lol. I can tell McIntosh was good, but no way could I see that she was the best setter, or better than some of the 5-1 setters. Heck Lauren Booker might be better than McIntosh if I'm gonna pick a setter. I would like to see some more specialty awards, like the serving specialist of the year, and/or DS of the year. just for interest sake |
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Post by rainbowcard on Nov 21, 2023 19:57:31 GMT -5
I don’t even care about who got setter of the year it just kinda crazy that Kate’s stats are #27 nationally and she didn’t even get first team big west seems wack. But yes usually those big awards go to the team that had a winning season so nothing surprising about all the UCSB awards
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