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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 21, 2023 22:56:46 GMT -5
Ok hear me out. Are the criteria’s for setter of the week different compared to setter of the year. Because if it is based on the “better setter” of the year then why was Lang being voted setter of the week multiple times? exactly, Lang should be setter of the year they should just tally up the weekly votes and use that for setter of the year and Ohwebete should not be POY, she did not win enough POW votes |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 21, 2023 23:01:31 GMT -5
How do you know what the purpose of the Big West conference Tournament is? Have you spoken to anyone who actually voted to implement it? Q1: because I listened to 3 sources, but then I could be wrong Q2: no. only to someone in one org that votes and talks to one who voted carry on do you know what the purpose of the Big West Conference Tournament is? I find it interesting the MVB BWCT seems to be ok with the swarm, yet every year there are a couple teams that are basically 'resume killers' in the MVB BWCT, yet I don't hear clamoring for the BWCT to go to 4 teams, lol I simply asked because you were pretty definitive in your post about what the purpose of the tournament was. I can see from your response that you don’t know definitively. Since it’s the Presidents/Chancellors who actually vote, based on input from their AD’s and Head Coaches, it’s probably pretty difficult to know exactly why the tournament was implemented. Comparing the men’s and women’s post season scenarios doesn’t make sense to me. The men’s field is so limited, that a large conference tournament field seems ineffective. But if the purpose was to increase attention, attendance or revenue, as you suggested, why wouldn’t the men have an expanded field? The probability of an upset is likely higher on the men’s side. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 21, 2023 23:08:32 GMT -5
Q1: because I listened to 3 sources, but then I could be wrong Q2: no. only to someone in one org that votes and talks to one who voted carry on do you know what the purpose of the Big West Conference Tournament is? I find it interesting the MVB BWCT seems to be ok with the swarm, yet every year there are a couple teams that are basically 'resume killers' in the MVB BWCT, yet I don't hear clamoring for the BWCT to go to 4 teams, lol I simply asked because you were pretty definitive in your post about what the purpose of the tournament was. I can see from your response that you don’t know definitively. Since it’s the Presidents/Chancellors who actually vote, based on input from their AD’s and Head Coaches, it’s probably pretty difficult to know exactly why the tournament was implemented. Comparing the men’s and women’s post season scenarios doesn’t make sense to me. The men’s field is so limited, that a large conference tournament field seems ineffective. But if the purpose was to increase attention, attendance or revenue, as you suggested, why wouldn’t the men have an expanded field? The probability of an upset is likely higher on the men’s side. I am sure you know better than I. |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 21, 2023 23:12:59 GMT -5
I simply asked because you were pretty definitive in your post about what the purpose of the tournament was. I can see from your response that you don’t know definitively. Since it’s the Presidents/Chancellors who actually vote, based on input from their AD’s and Head Coaches, it’s probably pretty difficult to know exactly why the tournament was implemented. Comparing the men’s and women’s post season scenarios doesn’t make sense to me. The men’s field is so limited, that a large conference tournament field seems ineffective. But if the purpose was to increase attention, attendance or revenue, as you suggested, why wouldn’t the men have an expanded field? The probability of an upset is likely higher on the men’s side. I am sure you know better than I. You're probably right about that, and you don't have to scroll through long, confused, rambling responses either. It's a win-win for you! |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 21, 2023 23:29:00 GMT -5
I am sure you know better than I. You're probably right about that, and you don't have to scroll through long, confused, rambling responses either. It's a win-win for you! of course, and with the obligatory put down, right on que! |
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Post by justaUHfan on Nov 21, 2023 23:50:26 GMT -5
Ok hear me out. Are the criteria’s for setter of the week different compared to setter of the year. Because if it is based on the “better setter” of the year then why was Lang being voted setter of the week multiple times? exactly, Lang should be setter of the year they should just tally up the weekly votes and use that for setter of the year and Ohwebete should not be POY, she did not win enough POW votes Right? Why wasn’t the coaches voting for these players weekly then if they think they deserve to win it for the whole year? Something is not adding up lol |
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Post by noblesol on Nov 21, 2023 23:50:35 GMT -5
I hear you. You believe that the BWCT is not a vehicle to help competitive teams get to the NCAAT. Primarily it's to be an end to itself. The glory at the end of the BW WVB road for most of the conference. For it to be that, it had to be a six-team format to gather support. And the narrative of purpose has to be that winning the BWCT it's wonderful, it's marvelous, it's awfully nice, it's paradise, it makes life so glamourous, you won't need more, you'll see. lol, no, that is NOT what I am saying at all, or believe. your statement about what I believe is incorrect. You can believe what you want. what you stated is incorrect about what I believe. it's pretty funny in it's own right. What I believe is EXACTLY what I wrote, so feel free to read it again if you want. what you just wrote frankly seems to be some hyperbolic nonsense trying to project or infer incorrectly about what I wrote. I'll leave it at that quote: "the primary purpose is to generate interest in the volleyball in the conference and franlky, in the BWCT tournament itself." That's what you wrote. You may want to edit it. I did have to infer a different meaning than what it literally is saying, frankly. I did think it funny but honestly didn't give you credit for meaning EXACTLY what you wrote. So, I inferred you meant to say 'The BWCT primary purpose is to generate interest in BW women's volleyball, and in the tournament itself.' Parsing the first part of that, it implies that the BWC saw an opportunity in a tournament to 'generate interest' in BW WVB. Suggesting BW women's volleyball is languishing because too many of their volleyball programs are mired in a lack of interest. Ho hum, BW WVB, yawn. Obviously not a direct problem for Hawai'i. Its fan base is highly engaged. So, more a problem for teams with characteristics different than Hawai'i. Those that would be content if they could just have something to compete for in conference, because obviously they aren't going to the NCAAT. So, a BWCT, Wallah! Trick over!? No. Still need to parse the second part of your "The BWCT primary purpose is to generate interest...in the tournament itself." This implies the tournament is not meant to generate interest in higher level participation in the NCAAT. It's meant to be its own self-licking ice cream cone. The whole enchilada. It is its own gleaming Emerald City, with the conference season the yellow brick road. If you want to get to the NCAAT you'll have to click your ruby shoe heels three times and wish hard, because it's not the purpose of the BWCT to help you get there. So, yes, inference made. Needed it. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 22, 2023 0:14:36 GMT -5
lol, no, that is NOT what I am saying at all, or believe. your statement about what I believe is incorrect. You can believe what you want. what you stated is incorrect about what I believe. it's pretty funny in it's own right. What I believe is EXACTLY what I wrote, so feel free to read it again if you want. what you just wrote frankly seems to be some hyperbolic nonsense trying to project or infer incorrectly about what I wrote. I'll leave it at that quote: "the primary purpose is to generate interest in the volleyball in the conference and franlky, in the BWCT tournament itself." That's what you wrote. You may want to edit it. I did have to infer a different meaning than what it literally is saying, frankly. I did think it funny but honestly didn't give you credit for meaning EXACTLY what you wrote. So, I inferred you meant to say 'The BWCT primary purpose is to generate interest in BW women's volleyball, and in the tournament itself.' Parsing the first part of that, it implies that the BWC saw an opportunity in a tournament to 'generate interest' in BW WVB. Suggesting BW women's volleyball is languishing because too many of their volleyball programs are mired in a lack of interest. Ho hum, BW WVB, yawn. Obviously not a direct problem for Hawai'i. Its fan base is highly engaged. So, more a problem for teams with characteristics different than Hawai'i. Those that would be content if they could just have something to compete for in conference, because obviously they aren't going to the NCAAT. So, a BWCT, Wallah! Trick over!? No. Still need to parse the second part of your "The BWCT primary purpose is to generate interest...in the tournament itself." This implies the tournament is not meant to generate interest in higher level participation in the NCAAT. It's meant to be its own self-licking ice cream cone. The whole enchilada. It is its own gleaming Emerald City, with the conference season the yellow brick road. If you want to get to the NCAAT you'll have to click your ruby shoe heels three times and wish hard, because it's not the purpose of the BWCT to help you get there. So, yes, inference made. Needed it. your words are not what I believe. however you chose to deal with that, ok I wrote MORE than what you just stated, regarding the primary purpose. having a primary purpose DOES NOT PRECLUDE accomplishing other things. I also wrote below " The seeds get a distinct advantage, the at-large bubble teams have an opportunity to add a good RPI win or two, and also get a shot at an at-large. Thats good. Now, is there some chance a team like SB could drop and get the 'shaft' from the BWCT? remote this year, and sooner or later it will happen likely, but hopefully not or rarely. Certainly there are 4 teams (Beach, Irvine, Poly, Davis) that have zilch shot at an at-large without a BWCT, and one, Hawaii with a questionable shot. we can argue till the cows come home about a 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 11 team tournament all we want. every year the optimal field for at-large 'help' will in fact vary. the 6 teams is a reasonable, not optimal, attempt towards that. It's not perfect, I'm sure you'd agree." if you are hung up on my statement of a primary purpose, then ok. if you feel entitled then to also create some extrapolation of it, that's you and your belief, but not mine. but whatever. people can cherry pick context however they want. it's amusing. I believe the BWCT accomplishes multiple things, including what I stated as the primary purpose, which does not preclude the BWCT being beneficial to the top teams. I don't know another way of stating it and providing that context. and no, you didn't state what I believe. but hey, if you don't want to accept that, ok. believe what you want lol! I think the fact people think 6 vs. 4 teams might be such a monumental difference in impact is something I find amusing as to render such negative opinion of the BWCT format is amusing. that's my belief. |
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Post by roy on Nov 22, 2023 1:17:08 GMT -5
Right? Why wasn’t the coaches voting for these players weekly then if they think they deserve to win it for the whole year? Something is not adding up lol Because the SIDs vote for the weekly awards versus the coaches that vote for the yearly awards. Frankly, I trust the coaches more than the SIDs since the coaches actively look at the players and are scouting against them. The SIDs are mainly looking at stats to determine the award. I take no issue with Meyer winning SOY. I think the intangibles she brings is better than Lang in terms of crafting an offense. Even Ah Mow said that in club, Lang was used to putting up the ball and letting her hitters just put it away. Meyer does a better job of running an offense that makes her hitters shine. I am a little bothered with Ohwebete winning POY. She was the team leader on a team that went 17-1 in the Big West. But in almost 40% of the Big West matches, she hit under .200. UCSB was effective because they didn't really have a "go to" hitter and if one outside wasn't playing well, they had 2 other pins in McKnight and Farmer, who could lead them to victory. Igiede lead Hawaii in kills in most of the matches, lead the Big West in kills per set, and was second in the conference in hitting percent. To me, that is more impressive than a balanced offense winning the conference. That said, I have always argued that the coaches know better than we do, since they are actively preparing a strategy against the opposing teams, so it's difficult for me to argue against Ohwebete. Definitely first team material, but I would have argued against POY. |
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Post by noblesol on Nov 22, 2023 3:20:59 GMT -5
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Post by gouci on Nov 22, 2023 5:27:41 GMT -5
Big congrats to UCI true freshman setter Nicole Feliciano for winning Big West Freshman of the Year! This is the 2nd Big West Freshman of the Year behind Abby Marjama recruited by UCI's Coach Hain who has an eye for talent. Feliciano like Marjama came in under the radar and with little hype. Feliciano gives UCI a key piece to build around.
UCI was devastated by the transfer portal but Coach Hain was able to restock the cupboard by bringing in Freshman of the Year Feliciano as well as 2 grad transfers in Opp Hunter Riedl and MB Isabella Scarlett which both earned All Big West Honorable Mention.
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Post by bucky415 on Nov 22, 2023 8:08:14 GMT -5
Big congrats to UCI true freshman setter Nicole Feliciano for winning Big West Freshman of the Year! This is the 2nd Big West Freshman of the Year behind Abby Marjama recruited by UCI's Coach Hain who has an eye for talent. Feliciano like Marjama came in under the radar and with little hype. Feliciano gives UCI a key piece to build around. UCI was devastated by the transfer portal but Coach Hain was able to restock the cupboard by bringing in Freshman of the Year Feliciano as well as 2 grad transfers in Opp Hunter Riedl and MB Isabella Scarlett which both earned All Big West Honorable Mention. Congrats to her, and they still have an NCAA Tournament chance! I don't follow too closely, but after a transfer portal devastation, as you said, that is a good quick rebuild! |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 22, 2023 9:53:51 GMT -5
quote: "the primary purpose is to generate interest in the volleyball in the conference and franlky, in the BWCT tournament itself." That's what you wrote. You may want to edit it. I did have to infer a different meaning than what it literally is saying, frankly. I did think it funny but honestly didn't give you credit for meaning EXACTLY what you wrote. So, I inferred you meant to say 'The BWCT primary purpose is to generate interest in BW women's volleyball, and in the tournament itself.' Parsing the first part of that, it implies that the BWC saw an opportunity in a tournament to 'generate interest' in BW WVB. Suggesting BW women's volleyball is languishing because too many of their volleyball programs are mired in a lack of interest. Ho hum, BW WVB, yawn. Obviously not a direct problem for Hawai'i. Its fan base is highly engaged. So, more a problem for teams with characteristics different than Hawai'i. Those that would be content if they could just have something to compete for in conference, because obviously they aren't going to the NCAAT. So, a BWCT, Wallah! Trick over!? No. Still need to parse the second part of your "The BWCT primary purpose is to generate interest...in the tournament itself." This implies the tournament is not meant to generate interest in higher level participation in the NCAAT. It's meant to be its own self-licking ice cream cone. The whole enchilada. It is its own gleaming Emerald City, with the conference season the yellow brick road. If you want to get to the NCAAT you'll have to click your ruby shoe heels three times and wish hard, because it's not the purpose of the BWCT to help you get there. So, yes, inference made. Needed it. your words are not what I believe. however you chose to deal with that, ok I wrote MORE than what you just stated, regarding the primary purpose. having a primary purpose DOES NOT PRECLUDE accomplishing other things. I also wrote below " The seeds get a distinct advantage, the at-large bubble teams have an opportunity to add a good RPI win or two, and also get a shot at an at-large. Thats good. Now, is there some chance a team like SB could drop and get the 'shaft' from the BWCT? remote this year, and sooner or later it will happen likely, but hopefully not or rarely. Certainly there are 4 teams (Beach, Irvine, Poly, Davis) that have zilch shot at an at-large without a BWCT, and one, Hawaii with a questionable shot. we can argue till the cows come home about a 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 11 team tournament all we want. every year the optimal field for at-large 'help' will in fact vary. the 6 teams is a reasonable, not optimal, attempt towards that. It's not perfect, I'm sure you'd agree." if you are hung up on my statement of a primary purpose, then ok. if you feel entitled then to also create some extrapolation of it, that's you and your belief, but not mine. but whatever. people can cherry pick context however they want. it's amusing. I believe the BWCT accomplishes multiple things, including what I stated as the primary purpose, which does not preclude the BWCT being beneficial to the top teams. I don't know another way of stating it and providing that context. and no, you didn't state what I believe. but hey, if you don't want to accept that, ok. believe what you want lol! I think the fact people think 6 vs. 4 teams might be such a monumental difference in impact is something I find amusing as to render such negative opinion of the BWCT format is amusing. that's my belief. This is a mess as usual. You wrote what you wrote. A lot of times, what you write is contradictory or confusing, as noble illustrated. Then you suggest people are nit-picking or taking your words out of context. Happens.Every.Single.Time. |
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Post by wahinefan on Nov 26, 2023 3:39:34 GMT -5
I still feel very strongly that the BWC should hold off naming the Individual Awards till after the BWC Tournament. The BWC can name the 1st and 2nd Teams, also the Freshmen Team at the end of the regular Conference season. But the individual award winners should be named after the BWC Tournament, cause the Tournament will make a difference on who wins the individual awards. For instance, Amber Igiede should have won the POY, since she led the Wahine Team to the Conference Tournament Championship. Michelle Ohwobete had an outstanding BWC season, but she did not lead UCSB to the Tournament Championship Title. Same with Kate Lang, for Setter of the Year, over Zayna Meyer. The same could be said for Robin Ah Mow for Coach of the Year, for leading her Wahine Team to the Conference Tournament Championship. Matt Jones did lead his team to an outstanding Conference Regular season, but he not lead his team to the Conference Tournament Championship.
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Post by staticb on Nov 26, 2023 3:54:04 GMT -5
Was there an all-tournament team? I know the announcers said Igiede was voted tournament most outstanding player.
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