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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 29, 2023 22:10:58 GMT -5
Ever been to a sporting event at LMU? Pretty much a ghost town so I do not believe the general population in LA are following LMU in any capacity. Yeah, I did a double take on LMU. I thought maybe they were talking about USC. Nah, LMU is huge in Playa del Rey and Westchester.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 29, 2023 22:12:21 GMT -5
I say, screw CA markets. PAC should add teams from other ones. Lets go SMU, CSU, and 1 more. Yup, THAT will get those TV dollars flowing. Larry? Is that you?
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 29, 2023 23:18:03 GMT -5
SDSU is the product of media hype. When the LA schools left, the immediate thought of media members was “how will the PAC 12 continue to have a presence in SoCal?”….., so they came up with the idea that SDSU could be that team. After industry experts looked into that idea and did more research, it was revealed that people in LA or surrounding area are not going to and never did follow SDSU athletics so the idea of them being able to capture the SoCal market was all a fantasy. The LA fan base will follow the BIG 10 now that USC and UCLA are there. San Diego is not even much of a sports town anymore. They only have one pro team(SD Padre). Lost the Chargers so there is no sign that the admission of SDSU into the PAC 12 will bring added exposure. I have many friends that live in LA and they have no interest in anything San Diego. It’s all Dodger, Lakers, LMU and Rams. You don't think SDSU could grow into it's conference? San Diego itself a big market, even if SDSU doesn't have strong penetration. But we've seen the penetration increase over time in TCU, Utah, and other schools who joined bigger conferences. I'd agree that aren't a super sexy ad, but they would bring as many (or more) eyeballs than Colorado, WSU, OSU and Cal at least. California is a super divided market in general. You walk down the streets of LA, there's like a dozen teams people are wearing. You go down into SEC country and 95% of the people are wearing the colors of the closest SEC school. (One reason why the P12 is floundering--can't get enough eyeballs on their games) SDSU can't even grow into its own market. It's being overtaken in its own market as we speak. Shouldn't take too long. Your depiction of walking down the streets of LA is just fantasy. Greater SoCal has always been USC and UCLA. The rest are minor league. The GDP of Alabama is 213 billion. The GDP of Los Angeles Metro alone is 950 billion. 31 counties make up over 1/3 of US GDP. The County with highest GDP and 3 of the top ten are in the footprint of USC and UCLA (Los Angeles, Orange County and San Diego). Four of the top 16 are in the footprint of Stanford and Cal (Santa Clarita, San Francisco, San Mateo and Alameda). BTW, Seattle is 6th and Phoenix is 9th. Half of the PAC12 sits in 9 of the top 16 GDP counties in the US. Once they figure that out and learn how to monetize it (NIL?), what is Alabama going to do? THAT is why USC and UCLA were so pissed off and left the PAC. How inept do you have to be to mismanage that inherent natural advantage? Even with USC and UCLA gone, how long will they continue to screw it the F up?
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 30, 2023 2:48:24 GMT -5
You don't think SDSU could grow into it's conference? San Diego itself a big market, even if SDSU doesn't have strong penetration. But we've seen the penetration increase over time in TCU, Utah, and other schools who joined bigger conferences. I'd agree that aren't a super sexy ad, but they would bring as many (or more) eyeballs than Colorado, WSU, OSU and Cal at least. California is a super divided market in general. You walk down the streets of LA, there's like a dozen teams people are wearing. You go down into SEC country and 95% of the people are wearing the colors of the closest SEC school. (One reason why the P12 is floundering--can't get enough eyeballs on their games) SDSU can't even grow into its own market. It's being overtaken in its own market as we speak. Shouldn't take too long. Your depiction of walking down the streets of LA is just fantasy. Greater SoCal has always been USC and UCLA. The rest are minor league. The GDP of Alabama is 213 billion. The GDP of Los Angeles Metro alone is 950 billion. 31 counties make up over 1/3 of US GDP. The County with highest GDP and 3 of the top ten are in the footprint of USC and UCLA (Los Angeles, Orange County and San Diego). Four of the top 16 are in the footprint of Stanford and Cal (Santa Clarita, San Francisco, San Mateo and Alameda). BTW, Seattle is 6th and Phoenix is 9th. Half of the PAC12 sits in 9 of the top 16 GDP counties in the US. Once they figure that out and learn how to monetize it (NIL?), what is Alabama going to do? THAT is why USC and UCLA were so pissed off and left the PAC. How inept do you have to be to mismanage that inherent natural advantage? Even with USC and UCLA gone, how long will they continue to screw it the F up? USC and UCLA were right there in the same meetings with the other schools when the PAC was making decisions. The idea that they were somehow helpless bystanders to the PAC choices is ridiculous. They also agreed to equal shares and revenue sharing in the Big 10, so the idea that they left because they had to accept equal shares and revenue sharing in the PAC seems suspect at best. I suspect USC was butthurt over the way they thought they were mistreated during the Reggie Bush fiasco, and has harbored a grudge ever since. But most of their problems (including the Reggie Bush thing) have been self-inflicted, and going to a new conference isn't going to fix that. But either way, it was a classic backstab move. Kill your former "friends" as you walk out the door, so they are powerless to get back at you later. They knew what they were doing when they did it.
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Post by gobruins on Jul 30, 2023 4:45:28 GMT -5
More than Scott, certainly more than Kliavkoff, you can put a signifcant portion of the blame for the demise of the PAC on USC. Between the Reggie Bush scandal and Donna-gate, USC was so busy cheating and grifting for fortune, they sank the entire conference. Reggie Bush and Donna Heinel are barely the tip of the iceberg of all the scandals around USC in the recent past.
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Post by tomclen on Jul 30, 2023 5:06:48 GMT -5
More than Scott, certainly more than Kliavkoff, you can put a signifcant portion of the blame for the demise of the PAC on USC. Between the Reggie Bush scandal and Donna-gate, USC was so busy cheating and grifting for fortune, they sank the entire conference. Reggie Bush and Donna Heinel are barely the tip of the iceberg of all the scandals around USC in the recent past. Maybe, but Donna-gate still bugs me because of how Mick Haley's USC career ended.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 30, 2023 6:59:37 GMT -5
At the end of the day - USC/UCLA in the PAC was never going to be sustainable - as Texas/Oklahoma/Nebraska in the Big 12. There are schools in the ACC that isn't sustainable for the ACC to keep long term and those schools would have been long gone if not for their GOR.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 30, 2023 8:09:15 GMT -5
Reggie Bush and Donna Heinel are barely the tip of the iceberg of all the scandals around USC in the recent past. Maybe, but Donna-gate still bugs me because of how Mick Haley's USC career ended. Don't get me wrong, it bugged the hell out of me, it just had nothing to do with conference realignment for football. Having USC football name figureheads instead of professionals from 1993 to 2019, while the Med school Dean scandal was taking down the president, mattered way more than Heinel. She did what she did because of the lack of oversight, she didn't cause it.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 30, 2023 8:12:30 GMT -5
She did what she did because of the lack of oversight, she didn't cause it. Ethical, moral people do the right thing regardless of oversight.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 30, 2023 8:17:34 GMT -5
She did what she did because of the lack of oversight, she didn't cause it. Ethical, moral people do the right thing regardless of oversight. I don't think anybody is arguing with you. She was horrible, and screwed over Haley. Still, she had nothing to do with football and basketball or conference realignment. That was the point
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 30, 2023 8:22:49 GMT -5
At the end of the day - USC/UCLA in the PAC was never going to be sustainable - as Texas/Oklahoma/Nebraska in the Big 12. There are schools in the ACC that isn't sustainable for the ACC to keep long term and those schools would have been long gone if not for their GOR. Texas lasted in the B12 by dictating terms, controlling the league and making more money, but even that wasn't enough in the end. Sharing revenue equally with Pullman was not sustainable.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 30, 2023 8:30:31 GMT -5
Reggie Bush and Donna Heinel are barely the tip of the iceberg of all the scandals around USC in the recent past. This. Too content with figurehead ex-football royalty figureheads while the Med School Dean brought the president. By the time they got their house in order they were out of time and had to act quickly.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 30, 2023 8:38:40 GMT -5
USC and UCLA were right there in the same meetings with the other schools when the PAC was making decisions. The idea that they were somehow helpless bystanders to the PAC choices is ridiculous. They also agreed to equal shares and revenue sharing in the Big 10, so the idea that they left because they had to accept equal shares and revenue sharing in the PAC seems suspect at best. I suspect USC was butthurt over the way they thought they were mistreated during the Reggie Bush fiasco, and has harbored a grudge ever since. But most of their problems (including the Reggie Bush thing) have been self-inflicted, and going to a new conference isn't going to fix that. But either way, it was a classic backstab move. Kill your former "friends" as you walk out the door, so they are powerless to get back at you later. They knew what they were doing when they did it. You keep trying to heap all the blame on USC and call them backstabbing, while the rest of the league, including Washington, were taking advantage of them for a couple of decades. You are somehow surprised they weren't overwhelmed with loyalty once they got their house in order? Gee, Mike, I wonder why? Boo hoo.
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Post by volleyball303 on Jul 30, 2023 9:10:47 GMT -5
If the Pac 12 does implode which schools get the most screwed? Colorado was scared if they did not take the Big12 offer they might have been left out of being in a power 5 league.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 30, 2023 10:22:23 GMT -5
If the Pac 12 does implode which schools get the most screwed? Colorado was scared if they did not take the Big12 offer they might have been left out of being in a power 5 league. The obvious ones are Washington State and Oregon State. Cal and Stanford also likely have nowhere else to go. There's an outside shot for Stanford to get into the Big Ten, but that probably depends on Notre Dame joining and insisting that Stanford come too. I think both are doubtful but especially the latter when Notre Dame could simply replace Stanford with UCLA to maintain a game in California every season. As for the rest, it will probably be a game of musical chairs to some degree. I think Oregon and Washington should be able to get in somewhere. I think one or two of the four corners schools get screwed. Colorado also seemed to think this, which is why they were the first school (besides USC and UCLA) to head for the exits. They didn't want to take that risk. Granted, that all is if the Pac-12 implodes. It's still possible that they can get a decent media deal with the remaining nine plus SMU or something.
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