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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Aug 2, 2023 21:01:03 GMT -5
In this thread: people who don't understand the difference between recent on-field performance and brand value. USC is valuable. It is what it is. I think you are not unbiased about all this. I am certainly not convinced that USC has this enormous value that you seem to attribute to it. Sure, it's not WSU, but it's not Real Madrid either. graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019This table actually looks pretty reasonable to me. 1 Texas 2 Ohio State 3 Alabama 4 Michigan 5 Notre Dame 6 Georgia 7 Oklahoma 8 Auburn 9 LSU 10 Tennessee By this reckoning, the top value PAC schools were (in 2019) Washington, Oregon, USC, and UCLA in that order, but all of them quite close together, and all of them down in the #20-25 range. This ranking is football $ in 2019. Your right this is probably close, but I’d be curious to see some combination of academic rank/endowment/athletic achievement
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 2, 2023 21:05:04 GMT -5
I think you are not unbiased about all this. I am certainly not convinced that USC has this enormous value that you seem to attribute to it. Sure, it's not WSU, but it's not Real Madrid either. graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019This table actually looks pretty reasonable to me. 1 Texas 2 Ohio State 3 Alabama 4 Michigan 5 Notre Dame 6 Georgia 7 Oklahoma 8 Auburn 9 LSU 10 Tennessee By this reckoning, the top value PAC schools were (in 2019) Washington, Oregon, USC, and UCLA in that order, but all of them quite close together, and all of them down in the #20-25 range. This ranking is football $ in 2019. Your right this is probably close, but I’d be curious to see some combination of academic rank/endowment/athletic achievement Not sure what academic rank or endowment (which usually is NOT for sports) has to do with sport franchise value (which is what this is). Harvard is arguably the best school in the country, and certainly the richest with a 53 billion endowment, but I doubt they are getting invited to join a conference anytime soon. Conversely, programs like Alabama or Oklahoma are highly valuable sport franchises but nobody in their right mind would conflate their sport value with their academic and endowment rank (or rather, lack thereof).
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Post by hal1992 on Aug 2, 2023 21:16:54 GMT -5
This could be it. Arizona BOR meeting scheduled for tomorrow. Includes both ASU and Arizona. If both go, Utah likely to follow. Would provide the conditions the Big Ten was looking for to move. Then Washington and Oregon go and potentially Stanford and Cal. Pac 2.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 2, 2023 22:00:47 GMT -5
If the Big Ten takes more Pac 12 schools and reaches 18 or 20, doesn't it really make sense to simply play a complete, single round robin slate of 17 or 19 conference matches. I know, it sucks that some home crowds don't get to see certain match ups, but that's the case already since there's not a full double round robin. Plus, they will the following year.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 2, 2023 22:14:23 GMT -5
In this thread: people who don't understand the difference between recent on-field performance and brand value. USC is valuable. It is what it is. I think you are not unbiased about all this. I am certainly not convinced that USC has this enormous value that you seem to attribute to it. Sure, it's not WSU, but it's not Real Madrid either. graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019This table actually looks pretty reasonable to me. 1 Texas 2 Ohio State 3 Alabama 4 Michigan 5 Notre Dame 6 Georgia 7 Oklahoma 8 Auburn 9 LSU 10 Tennessee By this reckoning, the top value PAC schools were (in 2019) Washington, Oregon, USC, and UCLA in that order, but all of them quite close together, and all of them down in the #20-25 range. You know how I know USC is very valuable? Fox persuaded USC to leave the Pac-12 for the Big Ten to get a full share of its new lucrative TV contract. I may not be completely unbiased, but I daresay I'm probably less biased than Oregon and Washington fans on this subject.
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Post by savannahbadger on Aug 2, 2023 22:25:54 GMT -5
As this is a Pac-12 thread, UW is Washington Just preparing you for life in the B1G as “the other UW.” 🤣
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Post by horns1 on Aug 2, 2023 23:17:47 GMT -5
In this thread: people who don't understand the difference between recent on-field performance and brand value. USC is valuable. It is what it is. Edit: also, people who don't seem to understand how contracts work. It's called "denial" or "jealousy". Both actually apply!
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Post by vergyltantor on Aug 2, 2023 23:59:06 GMT -5
As this is a Pac-12 thread, UW is Washington Just preparing you for life in the B1G as “the other UW.” 🤣 When Nebraska joined we had to get used to knowing that using NU was confusing to B1G fans because Northwestern used it too.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 3, 2023 0:14:30 GMT -5
I think you are not unbiased about all this. I am certainly not convinced that USC has this enormous value that you seem to attribute to it. Sure, it's not WSU, but it's not Real Madrid either. graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019This table actually looks pretty reasonable to me. 1 Texas 2 Ohio State 3 Alabama 4 Michigan 5 Notre Dame 6 Georgia 7 Oklahoma 8 Auburn 9 LSU 10 Tennessee By this reckoning, the top value PAC schools were (in 2019) Washington, Oregon, USC, and UCLA in that order, but all of them quite close together, and all of them down in the #20-25 range. You know how I know USC is very valuable? Fox persuaded USC to leave the Pac-12 for the Big Ten to get a full share of its new lucrative TV contract. I may not be completely unbiased, but I daresay I'm probably less biased than Oregon and Washington fans on this subject. Nobody denies that there are some old white guys in suits that think USC is that valuable, there are just some of us that think they are wrong. Hindsight is always 20/20 and none of us can actually predict the future, but surely you'd agree that money gets thrown down the drain without profit/return on investment all of the time, in every single industry. It's perfectly fine to think USC as a brand is that valuable, but it's also perfectly fine to not agree with it. Reasonable people can despise a program and also be objective. FWIW, I think the new TV contracts writ large are all overvalued. I think only a handful of schools are actually driving true value-added upside in the revenue-generating college sports, and I struggle to see USC (any West Coast program, frankly) in that group. Up and down the West Coast, including LA, you can look at overall viewership, in-person attendance, high school participation, etc. It all shows a waning interest in college sports.
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Post by JT on Aug 3, 2023 0:18:47 GMT -5
Just preparing you for life in the B1G as “the other UW.” 🤣 When Nebraska joined we had to get used to knowing that using NU was confusing to B1G fans because Northwestern used it too. It's not confusing. => NU *is* "Northwestern" and "NE" is those guys in Lincoln. => UW *is* "Univ of Wisc-Madison" and "WA" will be that university in the northwest corner of the US. The only confusion is / will be with the Huskers and Huskies folk who don't know this.
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Post by vergyltantor on Aug 3, 2023 0:29:55 GMT -5
When Nebraska joined we had to get used to knowing that using NU was confusing to B1G fans because Northwestern used it too. It's not confusing. => NU *is* "Northwestern" and "NE" is those guys in Lincoln. => UW *is* "Univ of Wisc-Madison" and "WA" will be that university in the northwest corner of the US. The only confusion is / will be with the Huskers and Huskies folk who don't know this. Nebraska started using UNL more often when they joined. But they drew the line when Wisconsin tried to claim the "Go Big Red" chant.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 3, 2023 0:30:10 GMT -5
As this is a Pac-12 thread, UW is Washington Just preparing you for life in the B1G as “the other UW.” 🤣 Try to avoid Washington co-opting "UW." Nebraska took NU from Northwestern and they're formal name isn't even Nebraska University. Lol.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 3, 2023 4:05:22 GMT -5
I think you are not unbiased about all this. I am certainly not convinced that USC has this enormous value that you seem to attribute to it. Sure, it's not WSU, but it's not Real Madrid either. graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019This table actually looks pretty reasonable to me. 1 Texas 2 Ohio State 3 Alabama 4 Michigan 5 Notre Dame 6 Georgia 7 Oklahoma 8 Auburn 9 LSU 10 Tennessee By this reckoning, the top value PAC schools were (in 2019) Washington, Oregon, USC, and UCLA in that order, but all of them quite close together, and all of them down in the #20-25 range. You know how I know USC is very valuable? Fox persuaded USC to leave the Pac-12 for the Big Ten to get a full share of its new lucrative TV contract. I may not be completely unbiased, but I daresay I'm probably less biased than Oregon and Washington fans on this subject. I didn't cherry-pick that study. It was the first one that pulled up on Google. It was from Purdue, not "Washington and Oregon fans". I think you have consistently over-estimated the value of USC in all your posts on the subject.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 3, 2023 4:07:44 GMT -5
When Nebraska joined we had to get used to knowing that using NU was confusing to B1G fans because Northwestern used it too. It's not confusing. => NU *is* "Northwestern" and "NE" is those guys in Lincoln. => UW *is* "Univ of Wisc-Madison" and "WA" will be that university in the northwest corner of the US. The only confusion is / will be with the Huskers and Huskies folk who don't know this. :) I thought we already settled this with a bet that year that Wisconsin and Washington played that home-home series. Washington won both, and therefore the rights to "UW" on Volleytalk.
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Post by boxcariii on Aug 3, 2023 8:13:38 GMT -5
It's not confusing. => NU *is* "Northwestern" and "NE" is those guys in Lincoln. => UW *is* "Univ of Wisc-Madison" and "WA" will be that university in the northwest corner of the US. The only confusion is / will be with the Huskers and Huskies folk who don't know this. Nebraska started using UNL more often when they joined. .... As some one in Nebraska, I question the accuracy of this statement and it certainly is still referred to as NU in most of the conversations I have and the talking head shows I listen to. I refer to them as the "school in Lincoln" because 99% of the fans don't seem to know that it's UNL.
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