bluepenquin
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 3, 2023 14:48:06 GMT -5
That will be quite the ego check and a tough pill to swallow if Washington and Oregon are strong-armed by the B1G into taking half the revenue fellow former PAC schools like USC and UCLA are getting, and I'm guessing less than what even Rutgers is earning (forget their incremental pay scale). They could just join the Big 12 if they don't wait too long . . . I saw a report this morning that Oregon has kept an open line of communication with the Big 12 but Washington has not. You think Oregon takes Utah's place and then the Big 10 takes Stanford and Washington? That's not impossible. But that raises an interesting possibility. If you are Oregon and you are worried about a place at the table the next time things get shaken up, then you go to the Big 10 now and swallow the discount. If they think their is no way that the "University of Nike" gets left behind, then play Pac or Big 12 and go to the CFB playoff almost every year and make up money in ticket sales and playoff appearance payouts. I have also heard that Oregon has been in contact with the B12 for some time - while not Washington. I am pretty sure this is where the 'surprise' school is coming from. With no PAC - Oregon would take a reduced B1G deal over anything the B12 could offer. For one thing - it would probably be more money than the B12. A 10 school PAC would be of interest to Oregon - as it would be their best shot at the CFP. B12 is a long shot. I don't think the B1G is interested in Stanford over Oregon. Not even sure they are interested in WA over OR.
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Post by luckydawg on Aug 3, 2023 15:15:08 GMT -5
I saw a report this morning that Oregon has kept an open line of communication with the Big 12 but Washington has not. You think Oregon takes Utah's place and then the Big 10 takes Stanford and Washington? That's not impossible. But that raises an interesting possibility. If you are Oregon and you are worried about a place at the table the next time things get shaken up, then you go to the Big 10 now and swallow the discount. If they think their is no way that the "University of Nike" gets left behind, then play Pac or Big 12 and go to the CFB playoff almost every year and make up money in ticket sales and playoff appearance payouts. I have also heard that Oregon has been in contact with the B12 for some time - while not Washington. I am pretty sure this is where the 'surprise' school is coming from. With no PAC - Oregon would take a reduced B1G deal over anything the B12 could offer. For one thing - it would probably be more money than the B12. A 10 school PAC would be of interest to Oregon - as it would be their best shot at the CFP. B12 is a long shot. I don't think the B1G is interested in Stanford over Oregon. Not even sure they are interested in WA over OR. If the Pac essentially becomes Oregon + the Mountain West, how long will they really be considered a power 5 conference with an automatic CFP place?
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 3, 2023 15:38:13 GMT -5
That will be quite the ego check and a tough pill to swallow if Washington and Oregon are strong-armed by the B1G into taking half the revenue fellow former PAC schools like USC and UCLA are getting, and I'm guessing less than what even Rutgers is earning (forget their incremental pay scale). They could just join the Big 12 if they don't wait too long . . . I saw a report this morning that Oregon has kept an open line of communication with the Big 12 but Washington has not. You think Oregon takes Utah's place and then the Big 10 takes Stanford and Washington? That's not impossible. But that raises an interesting possibility. If you are Oregon and you are worried about a place at the table the next time things get shaken up, then you go to the Big 10 now and swallow the discount. If they think their is no way that the "University of Nike" gets left behind, then play Pac or Big 12 and go to the CFB playoff almost every year and make up money in ticket sales and playoff appearance payouts. Right. Programs like Oregon and Washington can weather reduced payouts because the programs can keep up with their donor bases. They won't be in a situation like Rutgers or Maryland who had to borrow from future earnings to make ends meet. Also, the payouts are still likely to be higher than what they get currently get in media rights and *probably* higher than an equal share of the Big 12 payout, so it's not really a loss.
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Post by luckydawg on Aug 3, 2023 16:27:55 GMT -5
I saw a report this morning that Oregon has kept an open line of communication with the Big 12 but Washington has not. You think Oregon takes Utah's place and then the Big 10 takes Stanford and Washington? That's not impossible. But that raises an interesting possibility. If you are Oregon and you are worried about a place at the table the next time things get shaken up, then you go to the Big 10 now and swallow the discount. If they think their is no way that the "University of Nike" gets left behind, then play Pac or Big 12 and go to the CFB playoff almost every year and make up money in ticket sales and playoff appearance payouts. Right. Programs like Oregon and Washington can weather reduced payouts because the programs can keep up with their donor bases. They won't be in a situation like Rutgers or Maryland who had to borrow from future earnings to make ends meet. Also, the payouts are still likely to be higher than what they get currently get in media rights and *probably* higher than an equal share of the Big 12 payout, so it's not really a loss. It looks like the media rights future payouts will be: Pac: $20m per team per year Big12: $31.7 BIG 10: $65m average over 7 year contract So any team going to the BIG will start out ahead, even if they accept an initial 50% share. Of course, increased travel costs will need to be factored in.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 3, 2023 16:34:35 GMT -5
I have also heard that Oregon has been in contact with the B12 for some time - while not Washington. I am pretty sure this is where the 'surprise' school is coming from. With no PAC - Oregon would take a reduced B1G deal over anything the B12 could offer. For one thing - it would probably be more money than the B12. A 10 school PAC would be of interest to Oregon - as it would be their best shot at the CFP. B12 is a long shot. I don't think the B1G is interested in Stanford over Oregon. Not even sure they are interested in WA over OR. If the Pac essentially becomes Oregon + the Mountain West, how long will they really be considered a power 5 conference with an automatic CFP place? The CFB playoff is 12 teams and 6 conference champs. Apparently they can change that 2 years in but that assumes they results on the field follows the money. For 2 years there are 6 conference champs and if Oregon (or whoever the pac would send) wins a game or two they aren't the 5th league anymore and if there are 6 conference champs getting in, the PAC is still probably ahead of the Sun Belt. Even if it is just Oregon they could be like Miami was in the old Big East - and single handedly elevate the conference. Plus Oregon has home and homes with Texas Tech (23-24), Ok St (25-26), and Baylor (27-28) so if they can stay ahead of the Big 12 on the field there is no reason for that bid to go away.
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Post by Gladys Kravitz on Aug 3, 2023 16:42:18 GMT -5
LMAO.............Southern Cal did not want Oregon to join but they have no veto power to stop it
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Post by tomclen on Aug 3, 2023 20:00:28 GMT -5
Hard to argue....
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Post by horns1 on Aug 3, 2023 20:46:40 GMT -5
Just the one loser? Kliavkoff hasn't done much if anything to improve or strengthen the PAC; he's been lying for months about contract negotiations with media carriers.
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Post by hammer on Aug 3, 2023 21:10:50 GMT -5
Scott was arrogant, overpaid, and he very clearly underdelivered. Why the Pac-12 hired a Harvard grad boggles the mind.
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Post by redcardđ on Aug 3, 2023 21:58:00 GMT -5
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bluepenquin
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 4, 2023 7:37:51 GMT -5
Scott almost pulled off a major expansion that would have included Texas and Oklahoma. Assuming those schools had stuck - the PAC would be in a much different position today. I don't think Scott is to be blamed for not getting that done.
Kliavkoff made some errors that probably destroyed the PAC - at least has made it incredibly vulnerable. The PAC could have added 2 or 4 schools from the Big 12 right after TX/OK announced the move to the SEC. This would have eliminated the B12 as a future competitor. This may not have been his decision - but he was the head of the conference when that decision was made.
And then letting the B12 outmaneuver them in getting a TV deal first with ESPN ended up being a major blunder and possibly a fatal mistake for the conference. This single decision is looking so bad - and this Kliavkoff - not Scott.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 4, 2023 8:22:38 GMT -5
Just the one loser? Kliavkoff hasn't done much if anything to improve or strengthen the PAC; he's been lying for months about contract negotiations with media carriers. Right. Scott was terrible, but the university presidents are the ones who hired him, enabled him, and then replaced him with an incompetent successor.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 4, 2023 8:55:22 GMT -5
I have also heard that Oregon has been in contact with the B12 for some time - while not Washington. I am pretty sure this is where the 'surprise' school is coming from. With no PAC - Oregon would take a reduced B1G deal over anything the B12 could offer. For one thing - it would probably be more money than the B12. A 10 school PAC would be of interest to Oregon - as it would be their best shot at the CFP. B12 is a long shot. I don't think the B1G is interested in Stanford over Oregon. Not even sure they are interested in WA over OR. If the Pac essentially becomes Oregon + the Mountain West, how long will they really be considered a power 5 conference with an automatic CFP place? The Athletic is reporting that Oregon to the Big 10 is losing steam. We may be about to find out.
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Post by savannahbadger on Aug 4, 2023 8:56:51 GMT -5
Scott almost pulled off a major expansion that would have included Texas and Oklahoma. At the time this was rumored to be an option, there was too much âbaggageâ involved with OkSU and TTU. Had the option been to only added UT & OU, then it would have happened. For further expansion though⌠they would have a lot more limited options (letâs assume the B1G raided the ACC for UVA and UNC instead of USC & UCLA). What options would that PAC-14 have? I donât think the three best options being religious based schools would have gone over well in TCU, BYU, & SMU. That leaves Houston, TTU (who they didnât want in the first place), OkSU (same), and some of the now newcomers to the B12 like Cincinatti. The PAC-12 was likely to be doomed no matter what, as USC & UCLA clearly werenât happy with the equal revenue sharing model thatâs had been in place with the PAC-12, much less with adding some new lesser schools.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 4, 2023 9:06:04 GMT -5
The PAC-12 was likely to be doomed no matter what, as USC & UCLA clearly werenât happy with the equal revenue sharing model thatâs had been in place with the PAC-12, much less with adding some new lesser schools. I mean, people keep saying that, but they accepted an equal revenue sharing scheme in their new conference.
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