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Post by tomclen on Aug 5, 2023 13:13:24 GMT -5
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Post by trojansc on Aug 5, 2023 13:15:56 GMT -5
Re: ASU, I’m not sure their travel is going to be that bad.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 5, 2023 13:17:40 GMT -5
Seems like a good reason to transfer then.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 5, 2023 13:28:35 GMT -5
why? Because they just will? Lol Yes more big 10 viewers will view ucla and usc as to every other non b1g are, maybe not it s not necessarily a srlf fulfilling assumption Because people in the midwest are obsessed with college sports. Like you've admitted about yourself, that typically is not true of Pac-12 supporters. so there is no demand and supply, their demand is inelastic? they'll go from obsessed to more obsessed?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 5, 2023 13:29:55 GMT -5
Re: ASU, I’m not sure their travel is going to be that bad. I'm not really sure I understand this complaint re: softball travel. Northern teams are already used to spending weeks on the road at a time during school, and the conference travel will probably be less punitive because they play series - and you only do 8 of them in a softball season. So there will be 4 travel series, 1 (maybe two) of them against a West Coast team, and only 2-3 real "road" weekends - where they'll fly somewhere and play for three days. It doesn't seem that much worse.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 5, 2023 13:32:05 GMT -5
right now, the Pac-4 has to meet to discuss dissolution. That'll happen soon. They simply do not have a conference in 2024, and 2024 is approaching fast. that's the reality. I'm sure the Mountain West will meet to discuss providing offers to OSU & Wazzou, and maybe even Cal & Stanford. but they'd insitute hefty exit fees, as the Mountain West doesn't want to be a parking lot for those 4 who really want to be somewhere else. Unless the PAC-12 adds 8 Mt West schools at once so they can vote to dissolve the conference and not pay exit fees. you are assuming any remaining Mountain West schools aside from the 'lucky 8' would not have legal recourse for the exit fees. Heck, maybe the best course of action for Wyoming would be to collect $34 mil from each Mountain West school going to the Pac-12, and then drop sports a year later.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 5, 2023 13:33:50 GMT -5
Unless the PAC-12 adds 8 Mt West schools at once so they can vote to dissolve the conference and not pay exit fees. you are assuming any remaining Mountain West schools aside from the 'lucky 8' would not have legal recourse for the exit fees. Heck, maybe the best course of action for Wyoming would be to collect $34 mil from each Mountain West school going to the Pac-12, and then drop sports a year later. You're assuming they would. What do the Conference Agreements require for amendment?
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Post by hipsterfilth on Aug 5, 2023 13:36:50 GMT -5
Re: ASU, I’m not sure their travel is going to be that bad. I'm not really sure I understand this complaint re: softball travel. Northern teams are already used to spending weeks on the road at a time during school, and the conference travel will probably be less punitive because they play series - and you only do 8 of them in a softball season. So there will be 4 travel series, 1 (maybe two) of them against a West Coast team, and only 2-3 real "road" weekends - where they'll fly somewhere and play for three days. It doesn't seem that much worse. Exactly what I was thinking - Carol Hutchins built a perennial powerhouse at Michigan while traveling every year for the first 2.5 months of the season while Arizona State hosted a tourney at home every weekend before Pac 12 play and only stopped being a cellar dweller in like 2004.
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Post by lionsfan on Aug 5, 2023 13:37:40 GMT -5
I'm not really sure I understand this complaint re: softball travel. Northern teams are already used to spending weeks on the road at a time during school, and the conference travel will probably be less punitive because they play series - and you only do 8 of them in a softball season. So there will be 4 travel series, 1 (maybe two) of them against a West Coast team, and only 2-3 real "road" weekends - where they'll fly somewhere and play for three days. It doesn't seem that much worse. Yeah, for softball in particular, it's not nearly as much of a change. I get the frustration at being in a weaker conference top to bottom, but the Pac had 8 conference softball series last year, so each team had 4 away. I bet there will become pre-conference tournaments where teams like the Arizonas, Utahs, OSU can still play each other. I mean, Oregon traveled to Puerto Vallarta for a pre-conference tourney last year. That is NOT close to Eugene (coincidentally, they lost to Maryland and beat Wisconsin there). And they will still have Washington and UCLA in conference. TIL that USC doesn't have a softball team?! Say wha?!!!
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 5, 2023 13:38:41 GMT -5
I'm not really sure I understand this complaint re: softball travel. Northern teams are already used to spending weeks on the road at a time during school, and the conference travel will probably be less punitive because they play series - and you only do 8 of them in a softball season. So there will be 4 travel series, 1 (maybe two) of them against a West Coast team, and only 2-3 real "road" weekends - where they'll fly somewhere and play for three days. It doesn't seem that much worse. Yeah, for softball in particular, it's not nearly as much of a change. I get the frustration at being in a weaker conference top to bottom, but the Pac had 8 conference softball series last year, so each team had 4 away. I bet there will be come per-conference tournaments where teams like the Arizonas, Utahs, OSU can still play each other. I mean, Oregon traveled to Puerto Vallarta for a pre-conference tourney last year. That is NOT close to Eugene (coincidentally, they lost to Maryland and beat Wisconsin there). And they will still have Washington and UCLA in conference. TIL that USC doesn't have a softball team?! Say wha?!!! Yeah, I mean, it's not like they're gonna have to go from State College to Lansing for back-to-backs, ya know? I think they're bemoaning the loss of CA/AZ road trips for matches close to home.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 5, 2023 13:40:39 GMT -5
you are assuming any remaining Mountain West schools aside from the 'lucky 8' would not have legal recourse for the exit fees. Heck, maybe the best course of action for Wyoming would be to collect $34 mil from each Mountain West school going to the Pac-12, and then drop sports a year later. You're assuming they would. What do the Conference Agreements require for amendment? it requires conference members to vote for an amendment, members who have bailed don't get a vote. that's not an assumption who knows, maybe we'll see some lawsuits from schools like Oregon State based on 'bad faith' by other schools and asking for damages. for sure, it's like watching a bunch of rats eating each other. it's pretty sick actually. there's no real value being created in any of this, unless one feels the potential profit and marketing of media has value. there's no academic value at all. the schools are just prostituting themselves as professional franchises, masqureading as a university
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Post by tomclen on Aug 5, 2023 13:42:27 GMT -5
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Post by lionsfan on Aug 5, 2023 13:43:48 GMT -5
Every team in the B1G has a softball team (I'm shook that USC will be the only one without one...SHOOK!), but there are also only 8 conference series in the regular season, then a tourney.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 5, 2023 13:44:22 GMT -5
You're assuming they would. What do the Conference Agreements require for amendment? it requires conference members to vote for an amendment, members who have bailed don't get a vote. that's not an assumption They haven't bailed yet, so they can still amend.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Aug 5, 2023 13:46:39 GMT -5
Ok so 45-60 mins longer on a plane got it. 🙄
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