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Post by jcvball22 on Nov 13, 2023 13:26:00 GMT -5
I think Christopher Newport could replace them there, Ohio Wesleyan was also on the bubble for me. Wouldn't be shocked if either of those two snuck in. Obviously, on my list, swap out Transy for Mt. St. Joe and Springfield for MIT...both should get in easily right around, if not higher than those teams they replace. Why swap out Springfield for MIT? MIT beat Springfield in the finals. They are in. Pretty sure he means swap their placement in the bracket.
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Post by jcvball22 on Nov 13, 2023 14:10:00 GMT -5
Brackets are out. A few surprises, but overall a pretty solid selection.
I missed the broadcast. Did anyone give the last 4 in/out. I skimmed over the bracket and didn't see anything egregious, but haven't really broken it down yet.
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Post by coahc21 on Nov 13, 2023 14:34:58 GMT -5
Why swap out Springfield for MIT? MIT beat Springfield in the finals. They are in. Pretty sure he means swap their placement in the bracket. I meant for Pool C...yes, both get it
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Post by caz on Nov 13, 2023 14:53:54 GMT -5
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Post by bigfan on Nov 13, 2023 15:14:15 GMT -5
CMS and La Verne are in so SCIAC will be representing.
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Post by jammaster on Nov 13, 2023 15:24:31 GMT -5
Why swap out Springfield for MIT? MIT beat Springfield in the finals. They are in. Pretty sure he means swap their placement in the bracket. If that is the case, glad we swapped as MIT would rather have to go through CMS than Juniata. That being said, if you can't beat the CMS's and Juniata's, you aren't going to win this thing anyway. Seems like having CMS travel 3K miles for a regional is a little strange, is that related to hosting the Sweet 16?
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Post by coahc21 on Nov 13, 2023 15:27:47 GMT -5
Pretty sure he means swap their placement in the bracket. If that is the case, glad we swapped as MIT would rather have to go through CMS than Juniata. That being said, if you can't beat the CMS's and Juniata's, you aren't going to win this thing anyway. Seems like having CMS travel 3K miles for a regional is a little strange, is that related to hosting the Sweet 16? More related to them being the outlier and having to fly somewhere anyway (or host)....if they hosted, they would have to fly in a bunch of teams, so they just fly them east.
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Post by jcvball22 on Nov 13, 2023 15:32:00 GMT -5
Pretty sure he means swap their placement in the bracket. If that is the case, glad we swapped as MIT would rather have to go through CMS than Juniata. That being said, if you can't beat the CMS's and Juniata's, you aren't going to win this thing anyway. Seems like having CMS travel 3K miles for a regional is a little strange, is that related to hosting the Sweet 16? I am perfectly fine with Juniata being the gold standard for teams you have to go through to win it all Let's go Eagles!
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Post by ned3vball on Nov 13, 2023 15:39:04 GMT -5
Pretty sure he means swap their placement in the bracket. If that is the case, glad we swapped as MIT would rather have to go through CMS than Juniata. That being said, if you can't beat the CMS's and Juniata's, you aren't going to win this thing anyway. Seems like having CMS travel 3K miles for a regional is a little strange, is that related to hosting the Sweet 16? Flying a west coast team all the way to east coast is new. The glass ceiling has always been Atlanta. Yes, it is related to hosting the Elite 8. They would like to see the host school playing and beating Umass-Dartmouth, Salisbury, and MIT is a much easier road than the usual midwest gauntlet of say, Coe, WashU, and Northwestern - MN. They should fly teams into the NE regionals every year.
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Post by ned3vball on Nov 13, 2023 15:46:45 GMT -5
To get the ball rolling. Stevenson? In looking down their schedule they had 2 wins - two - against a top 100 team. Not a criteria I know but the kind of thing you would expect gets noticed as you review bubble teams. Wisc-Platteville had 14.
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Post by jcvball22 on Nov 13, 2023 16:01:21 GMT -5
If that is the case, glad we swapped as MIT would rather have to go through CMS than Juniata. That being said, if you can't beat the CMS's and Juniata's, you aren't going to win this thing anyway. Seems like having CMS travel 3K miles for a regional is a little strange, is that related to hosting the Sweet 16? Flying a west coast team all the way to east coast is new. The glass ceiling has always been Atlanta. Yes, it is related to hosting the Elite 8. They would like to see the host school playing and beating Umass-Dartmouth, Salisbury, and MIT is a much easier road than the usual midwest gauntlet of say, Coe, WashU, and Northwestern - MN. They should fly teams into the NE regionals every year. I am all for sending better teams to the NE regional. It could alleviate the obvious imbalance in regional strength.
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Post by coahc21 on Nov 13, 2023 16:04:49 GMT -5
To get the ball rolling. Stevenson? In looking down their schedule they had 2 wins - two - against a top 100 team. Not a criteria I know but the kind of thing you would expect gets noticed as you review bubble teams. Wisc-Platteville had 14. Was a surprise to me as well. A couple of things come to mind...are we sure the Platteville was next at the table in region 8? I am guessing they would be after Millikin got the nod. Looking at the criteria Win pct. Stevenson 0.759 over Platteville's 0.724. Weighted SOS, 0.594 vs. 0.607, not sure, but I am guessing this is within the range to call this column a wash. Then Stevenson's 3 RR wins vs. Platte's 2... even if they determine those 2 wins are stronger than Stevenson's 3, with the SOS wash, it's a 1-1 tie. On secondary criteria: Stevenson's last 25% of season, 5-2 vs Platteville's 3-4. Then non-con SOS 0.582 vs. 0.579 is certainly a wash... Not sure who esle was at the table at the time Stevenson got picked...but just a straight compare to Platteville, Stevenson wins
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Post by noreaster on Nov 13, 2023 17:07:00 GMT -5
I like that CMS is in New England. Did they do this a few years ago? Colorado maybe? I know Trinity went to the NYC area a couple of years back.
I think Berry hosted so they could drive in Wittenberg but I feel like Emory deserved it.
I feel like Cornell is hosting so they could drive in Wash U, but I feel like Northwestern earned it.
I have no idea why Ithaca is hosting that regional instead of NYU.
That Springfield is going all the way to Juniata to play Wentworth, and Middlebury is going to Baltimore to play Manhattanville seems like shipping teams to ship teams instead of creating new and interesting pairings.
I think LaVerne with a .531 SOS getting a pool C sends the wrong message, but they had a winning record vs top 100 teams. Tufts has a high SOS but Platteville was higher, they had a losing record vs top 100 teams, but they beat Springfield and Trinity Tx - so lose all you want, but win two big matches? I'm not crazy about about that either.
But overall it's not bad. Nothing egregious.
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Post by ned3vball on Nov 13, 2023 17:19:28 GMT -5
To get the ball rolling. Stevenson? In looking down their schedule they had 2 wins - two - against a top 100 team. Not a criteria I know but the kind of thing you would expect gets noticed as you review bubble teams. Wisc-Platteville had 14. Was a surprise to me as well. A couple of things come to mind...are we sure the Platteville was next at the table in region 8? I am guessing they would be after Millikin got the nod. Looking at the criteria Win pct. Stevenson 0.759 over Platteville's 0.724. Weighted SOS, 0.594 vs. 0.607, not sure, but I am guessing this is within the range to call this column a wash. Then Stevenson's 3 RR wins vs. Platte's 2... even if they determine those 2 wins are stronger than Stevenson's 3, with the SOS wash, it's a 1-1 tie. On secondary criteria: Stevenson's last 25% of season, 5-2 vs Platteville's 3-4. Then non-con SOS 0.582 vs. 0.579 is certainly a wash... Not sure who esle was at the table at the time Stevenson got picked...but just a straight compare to Platteville, Stevenson wins There's no way to spin it. I am just letting this one go it is too depressing.
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Post by ned3vball on Nov 13, 2023 18:29:13 GMT -5
I hear that Pairwise, the system hockey likes, is coming our way. I will say good, since we might as well try something else. The current criteria is very good in one sense. It allows you to justify selections that should not see the light of day. See the post by coahc21 on Stevenson vs Platteville, it seems reasonable(until you compare their last 7 opponents) but we know Platteville is more deserving based on the schedules they played. Yes I know, I said I was leaving it alone.
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