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Post by vup on Oct 29, 2023 11:29:36 GMT -5
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Post by eazy on Oct 29, 2023 11:34:24 GMT -5
One thing I did not really care for this season was the freshman rule. I honestly hope it is removed or voted on to get taken out next year. Playing one every other week is already random and I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind that, but, with injuries, roster structure can change to accommodate the freshman. I think rainbowbadger brought up how the only easy solution was to have 2 freshmen of the same position, but, that's messy/not realistic. I was trying to find freshmen liberos/middles because you can afford to take some 'hits' at those positions. But if your freshman unexpectedly doesn't play, your roster could look very different and it's hard to set up a roster accounting for that. Freshman are some of the most inconsistent but I think they are also more vulnerable to illness/injury or just not maintaining for an entire season. I guess the intent of the rule is to make the game more 'challenging', but, I personally find it silly. I don't mind making someone *have* to have a freshman on the roster, but requiring them to be active every other week? I'll pass if voted on again. I think that any major rules like that should be voted on each year. I believe the reasoning involved: previously you only had to have a freshman on the wide roster, but never on the weekly roster. This lead to lots of players never putting a freshman on an active roster. Playing one every other week was probably introduced to make the freshman have more of an impact, but not as much as if they had to start every single week. My personal opinion is that no other fantasy league has a freshman or 'rookie' rule that I have seen, so I don't necessarily care for it. However, it has been a part of the league in some way since before I joined so I assumed it was generally liked. |
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 29, 2023 11:43:03 GMT -5
Whereas I intentionally played my 9 strongest servers (plus my freshman libero) and my ace total is the lowest of the season. I thought I played the best roster to have a chance to beat both of my opponents. I figured with this roster though, I'd be matched up well against ay but possibly not great against vballfan. I'm looking favored to beat vballfan, but lose to ay. Oh fantasy. And of course, not playing Shaffmaster, who has been inconsistent and had a tough week, put up big assists numbers against Purdue. If Shaff somehow keeps up those assists against Wisconsin.... I just don't understand. Fantasy gods are up to some ish this season for sure. They have been some bastards this year....that's for sure. I still think the podium is wide open for all top 7 teams and so much stuff is determining these matches that can't really be modeled or reasonably predicted based on the data. Entering this week, I could just as easily be sitting at 17-1 as I could 9-9. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Oct 29, 2023 11:44:38 GMT -5
One thing I did not really care for this season was the freshman rule. I honestly hope it is removed or voted on to get taken out next year. Playing one every other week is already random and I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind that, but, with injuries, roster structure can change to accommodate the freshman. I think rainbowbadger brought up how the only easy solution was to have 2 freshmen of the same position, but, that's messy/not realistic. I was trying to find freshmen liberos/middles because you can afford to take some 'hits' at those positions. But if your freshman unexpectedly doesn't play, your roster could look very different and it's hard to set up a roster accounting for that. Freshman are some of the most inconsistent but I think they are also more vulnerable to illness/injury or just not maintaining for an entire season. I guess the intent of the rule is to make the game more 'challenging', but, I personally find it silly. I don't mind making someone *have* to have a freshman on the roster, but requiring them to be active every other week? I'll pass if voted on again. I think that any major rules like that should be voted on each year. I believe the reasoning involved: previously you only had to have a freshman on the wide roster, but never on the weekly roster. This lead to lots of players never putting a freshman on an active roster. Playing one every other week was probably introduced to make the freshman have more of an impact, but not as much as if they had to start every single week. My personal opinion is that no other fantasy league has a freshman or 'rookie' rule that I have seen, so I don't necessarily care for it. However, it has been a part of the league in some way since before I joined so I assumed it was generally liked. fwiw, I’m anti-freshman lol. the lack of quality options on fantasy eligible teams means almost all of my counted add/drops have been used in relation to freshmen. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 29, 2023 11:48:28 GMT -5
I think that any major rules like that should be voted on each year. I believe the reasoning involved: previously you only had to have a freshman on the wide roster, but never on the weekly roster. This lead to lots of players never putting a freshman on an active roster. Playing one every other week was probably introduced to make the freshman have more of an impact, but not as much as if they had to start every single week. My personal opinion is that no other fantasy league has a freshman or 'rookie' rule that I have seen, so I don't necessarily care for it. However, it has been a part of the league in some way since before I joined so I assumed it was generally liked. fwiw, I’m anti-freshman lol. the lack of quality options on fantasy eligible teams means almost all of my counted add/drops have been used in relation to freshmen. It'll get better once all the COVID years have cycled out. |
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 29, 2023 11:48:59 GMT -5
One thing I did not really care for this season was the freshman rule. I honestly hope it is removed or voted on to get taken out next year. Playing one every other week is already random and I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind that, but, with injuries, roster structure can change to accommodate the freshman. I think rainbowbadger brought up how the only easy solution was to have 2 freshmen of the same position, but, that's messy/not realistic. I was trying to find freshmen liberos/middles because you can afford to take some 'hits' at those positions. But if your freshman unexpectedly doesn't play, your roster could look very different and it's hard to set up a roster accounting for that. Freshman are some of the most inconsistent but I think they are also more vulnerable to illness/injury or just not maintaining for an entire season. I guess the intent of the rule is to make the game more 'challenging', but, I personally find it silly. I don't mind making someone *have* to have a freshman on the roster, but requiring them to be active every other week? I'll pass if voted on again. I think that any major rules like that should be voted on each year. I believe the reasoning involved: previously you only had to have a freshman on the wide roster, but never on the weekly roster. This lead to lots of players never putting a freshman on an active roster. Playing one every other week was probably introduced to make the freshman have more of an impact, but not as much as if they had to start every single week. My personal opinion is that no other fantasy league has a freshman or 'rookie' rule that I have seen, so I don't necessarily care for it. However, it has been a part of the league in some way since before I joined so I assumed it was generally liked. I was the one that suggested having to PLAY a freshman every other week among the admins. With the expanded roster, if we didn't have to play a freshman, I just thought that most people would use it as a 16th place roster filler that we don't ever use (I know I would). An expanded roster is great in that an injured player doesn't have to be dropped, but it also gives cover to just hide players. I mean - I don't ever plan on playing the San Diego players anymore (that was a mistake I'm kicking myself for...if I had one or two more add drops left, oh boy.... I'd be golden). But I can live with essentially a 14 player roster. It used to be that we had a play a freshman every week, I thought playing a freshman every other week would be an easier pill to swallow. I'm also perfectly fine getting rid of the frosh rule altogether, but I think it should either be that (you don't have to have a freshman on your roster at all OR we have to play them in some capacity). The in between just seems kinda weird to me - like, what is the point? |
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Post by trojansc on Oct 29, 2023 11:55:12 GMT -5
Since c4ndlelight has made an appearance on this thread and we're talking about sub rules... When this first came about, the admins had a rule that you could *choose* which 1 player each week off your bench to make a 'free sub' that could sub in for a player of the same position AFTER the week was over. So you could see if your player under/overperformed and sub them in/out based on that. I remember when I played c4, I was all but assured of a loss until one of my bench players had a huge Sunday match late and ended up being able to push me over the top with that substitution. That rule benefitted me that season, but, I didn't like how it felt. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Oct 29, 2023 11:55:13 GMT -5
It used to be that we had a play a freshman every week, I thought playing a freshman every other week would be an easier pill to swallow. I'm also perfectly fine getting rid of the frosh rule altogether, but I think it should either be that (you don't have to have a freshman on your roster at all OR we have to play them in some capacity). The in between just seems kinda weird to me - like, what is the point? I agree with you. the in between does seem weird. |
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Post by trojansc on Oct 29, 2023 11:56:59 GMT -5
I think that any major rules like that should be voted on each year. I believe the reasoning involved: previously you only had to have a freshman on the wide roster, but never on the weekly roster. This lead to lots of players never putting a freshman on an active roster. Playing one every other week was probably introduced to make the freshman have more of an impact, but not as much as if they had to start every single week. My personal opinion is that no other fantasy league has a freshman or 'rookie' rule that I have seen, so I don't necessarily care for it. However, it has been a part of the league in some way since before I joined so I assumed it was generally liked. I was the one that suggested having to PLAY a freshman every other week among the admins. With the expanded roster, if we didn't have to play a freshman, I just thought that most people would use it as a 16th place roster filler that we don't ever use (I know I would). An expanded roster is great in that an injured player doesn't have to be dropped, but it also gives cover to just hide players. I mean - I don't ever plan on playing the San Diego players anymore (that was a mistake I'm kicking myself for...if I had one or two more add drops left, oh boy.... I'd be golden). But I can live with essentially a 14 player roster. It used to be that we had a play a freshman every week, I thought playing a freshman every other week would be an easier pill to swallow. I'm also perfectly fine getting rid of the frosh rule altogether, but I think it should either be that (you don't have to have a freshman on your roster at all OR we have to play them in some capacity). The in between just seems kinda weird to me - like, what is the point? To your last point, but isn't the rule still in between? Every other week? So if you have a freshman at a Power 5 school you can get lucky if most of the 'every other week works out in your favor' (i.e WVU(x2), Cincinnati(x2), etc.) but someone else has to play BYU(x2), Texas(x2) in freshman weeks. Seems pretty random/in-between to me. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 29, 2023 11:57:28 GMT -5
Since c4ndlelight has made an appearance on this thread and we're talking about sub rules... When this first came about, the admins had a rule that you could *choose* which 1 player each week off your bench to make a 'free sub' that could sub in for a player of the same position AFTER the week was over. So you could see if your player under/overperformed and sub them in/out based on that. I remember when I played c4, I was all but assured of a loss until one of my bench players had a huge Sunday match late and ended up being able to push me over the top with that substitution. That rule benefitted me that season, but, I didn't like how it felt. I got screwed on that in like 3 different weeks. It was basically a wild card/joker player so you could sub out any underperformer on your lineup. It took away from having to pick your lineup before. |
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Post by Fight On! on Oct 29, 2023 11:57:35 GMT -5
Since c4ndlelight has made an appearance on this thread and we're talking about sub rules... When this first came about, the admins had a rule that you could *choose* which 1 player each week off your bench to make a 'free sub' that could sub in for a player of the same position AFTER the week was over. So you could see if your player under/overperformed and sub them in/out based on that. I remember when I played c4, I was all but assured of a loss until one of my bench players had a huge Sunday match late and ended up being able to push me over the top with that substitution. That rule benefitted me that season, but, I didn't like how it felt. I think we universally didn’t prefer that. |
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 29, 2023 11:59:34 GMT -5
I think that any major rules like that should be voted on each year. I believe the reasoning involved: previously you only had to have a freshman on the wide roster, but never on the weekly roster. This lead to lots of players never putting a freshman on an active roster. Playing one every other week was probably introduced to make the freshman have more of an impact, but not as much as if they had to start every single week. My personal opinion is that no other fantasy league has a freshman or 'rookie' rule that I have seen, so I don't necessarily care for it. However, it has been a part of the league in some way since before I joined so I assumed it was generally liked. fwiw, I’m anti-freshman lol. the lack of quality options on fantasy eligible teams means almost all of my counted add/drops have been used in relation to freshmen. I find this reasoning to be interesting. Similar to Fight On!'s issue with the substitution rules, I don't inherently disagree with a rule change or, substantively, I understand your position, but I do think that the opinion is wrapped in a personal agenda to make things easier for you in particular to be better in the matchups/standings - essentially a "but for this rule, I'd be doing better." Trust me, after this year, given my post draft add/drop situation, I thought, damn, I wish I advocated for more add/drops, or when Brangioni played two sets, did nothing but I still have to count her, I thought, if only we had that free substitution rule back. But I think there is utility in the fact that we are playing by the same rules. None of the rules are "unfair", however I will say that given certain circumstances, the rules can be "unfortunate". I agree with eazy in that major rule changes should just be voted on. I feel like the current iteration of Fantasy rules has mostly been cleaning up the loopholes - which I feel we have pretty much done. Now the rules are just kind of preference. |
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Post by trojansc on Oct 29, 2023 12:09:20 GMT -5
Since c4ndlelight has made an appearance on this thread and we're talking about sub rules... When this first came about, the admins had a rule that you could *choose* which 1 player each week off your bench to make a 'free sub' that could sub in for a player of the same position AFTER the week was over. So you could see if your player under/overperformed and sub them in/out based on that. I remember when I played c4, I was all but assured of a loss until one of my bench players had a huge Sunday match late and ended up being able to push me over the top with that substitution. That rule benefitted me that season, but, I didn't like how it felt. I think we universally didn’t prefer that. I think it was a minority of those who preferred it, you're right. I remember the argument for it was that it was like coaches make adjustments mid-match, but, also that it rewarded people who had deep benches. But, with how random serving/aces category is, it could basically be as simple as having some mid-players that get a lot of aces and see if they can sub in and win you a match. |
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 29, 2023 12:09:43 GMT -5
Alright, the important sunday matches have begun!!!!
I have a thin line to actually win 2-0 this week. I need a strong assists performance from Haworth to get me that category and a win over Trojansc, I need both Harris-Waddy and Haworth to go bananas in aces to overtake Blackiechann, or both of them to go bananas in kills (but Haworth to still get a strong assist line) to get a kill advantage over Blackiechann.....anytime my team is at the BOTTOM of the league in ACES, you know it's been a crazy week.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Oct 29, 2023 12:16:16 GMT -5
fwiw, I’m anti-freshman lol. the lack of quality options on fantasy eligible teams means almost all of my counted add/drops have been used in relation to freshmen. I find this reasoning to be interesting. Similar to Fight On!'s issue with the substitution rules, I don't inherently disagree with a rule change or, substantively, I understand your position, but I do think that the opinion is wrapped in a personal agenda to make things easier for you in particular to be better in the matchups/standings - essentially a "but for this rule, I'd be doing better." Trust me, after this year, given my post draft add/drop situation, I thought, damn, I wish I advocated for more add/drops, or when Brangioni played two sets, did nothing but I still have to count her, I thought, if only we had that free substitution rule back. But I think there is utility in the fact that we are playing by the same rules. None of the rules are "unfair", however I will say that given certain circumstances, the rules can be "unfortunate". I agree with eazy in that major rule changes should just be voted on. I feel like the current iteration of Fantasy rules has mostly been cleaning up the loopholes - which I feel we have pretty much done. Now the rules are just kind of preference. I’m just in favor of the best fantasy players being played. that’s why I’m with trojansc on his wildcard thing. if freshman are good enough to be fantasy players, they will be. I feel like I’ve been pretty consistent on that take. that’s why I would say the free add/drops should either be through noncon, or that there should be more post deadline. in any other fantasy sport, good players don’t go unadded because of their position or age. here, they absolutely do. that’s just how I view fantasy though! I absolutely agree that no rules are unfair. all comes down to preference, like you mentioned. |
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