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Post by passionfruit on Jul 16, 2023 1:13:48 GMT -5
Again, I'm not very familiar with the international game so I'm going to ask some dumb questions. A USA outside passing? Not if the ncaa substitution rule can help it! There are maybe 3 current NCAA coaches who know how to train international level passers. What is so different about international passing that it can't be done domestically? Yes the players jump higher, are smarter with their shots, and hit with more power, but that's not fundamentally different. Plumber passed all 6 rotations at Stanford, yet is struggling in Europe. It's almost cliche that USA's outsides can't pass, but many of them did so successfully for their colleges. So what's different? I find it hard to blame the domestic DS position when so many of these pins serve received all 6 spots. Plummer did not switch to a passing role until late into her freshman season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2023 1:27:17 GMT -5
I want Lilley or Carlini and no one else setting. Hancock just doesn’t bring much to the table playing wise and makes poor setting decisions consistently - most obviously shown when she set Chiaka too high from a free ball when Vargas was literally in the bleachers…. I know a lot of people like to drag Lilley on here but she knows how to make great in match decisions. Carlini brings more to the table playing wise than any other setting choice we have other than Poulter. I’m might be out of the loop but why is Lilley not in the USA gym? ?? Lilley has had a pretty eh run in the pro leagues she’s played for so far. She’s been excellent setting Avery skinner and that’s about it. She would have been better than Hancock tonight tho
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Post by pittsburgh7717 on Jul 16, 2023 1:39:41 GMT -5
Hats off to Turkey. They played impeccable defense. I wish we could've pushed it to five, but we played well. Hats off to Frantti. Love her energy on the court. Bringing Thompson in so late in the game was a coaching error on Karch imo
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2023 1:44:20 GMT -5
I literwlly cant believe those usa middle stats or how absolutely tragic Annie and Hancock were
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Post by myhouse911 on Jul 16, 2023 2:22:11 GMT -5
Again, I'm not very familiar with the international game so I'm going to ask some dumb questions. What is so different about international passing that it can't be done domestically? Yes the players jump higher, are smarter with their shots, and hit with more power, but that's not fundamentally different. Plumber passed all 6 rotations at Stanford, yet is struggling in Europe. It's almost cliche that USA's outsides can't pass, but many of them did so successfully for their colleges. So what's different? I find it hard to blame the domestic DS position when so many of these pins serve received all 6 spots. Plummer did not switch to a passing role until late into her freshman season. Just to add to your reply, Passion - she may have been on the court for 6 rotations, for 3.5 colleges seasons, but she did not actually pass in all 6 rotations.
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Post by karma on Jul 16, 2023 2:37:06 GMT -5
Just watched the match!
The Vargas impact cannot be overstated. USA is totally capable of pulling out a win against that same lineup but IMO it really comes down to coaching and setting, which really comes back to coaching again. Frantti needs to be on the court much earlier. I know it's easier saying that in retrospect but to me it was obvious early on that she needed to be on the court.
Without a Vargas/Boscovic/Egonu type player on our roster, we NEED a setter who connects with the middles and sets them often. I know passing was tragic, but as well as Micha has done this VNL, I have yet to see her consistently get the middles involved even when the passing is better. USA needs to get their opposite situation stabilized before Paris. JT's ceiling is so high so I am confident she will get back to playing like we know she can.
On the bright side, Lanier and Frantti are queens. The energy was so good that third set. I would've been content even with a loss if all the sets were played with that same energy and fight, but the first two sets were tragic.
And honestly I am happy to see a team playing as well as Turkey is right now. The level is being raised and it's going to push USA and hopefully others to up their level as well.
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 3:05:50 GMT -5
Just woke up and watched the fourth set. As i said, Zehra didnt just read the book on Hancock, it looked like she wrote it. That was like Bosetti v Karakurt in last years VNL semifinal. Mental domination.
Cansu made a huge difference when she came in. A few iffy sets when the passing broke down and she was diving at full sprint to chuck it up to Karakurt but otherwise she was great in set 4.
Karakurt…she tried to give it to us.
Frantti and Lanier look like our best options going forward. Cook had a bad game but she still very much has a role for us. Id still bring Bajema as the fourth option because she has a spark and intensity off the bench that i think is useful.
Also lol at the post match interview. Zehra wanted to say a couple cliches and get out of there so fast but as soon as Clayton asked her to say something in Turkish she opened right up.
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 3:07:28 GMT -5
Just watched the match! The Vargas impact cannot be overstated. USA is totally capable of pulling out a win against that same lineup but IMO it really comes down to coaching and setting, which really comes back to coaching again. Frantti needs to be on the court much earlier. I know it's easier saying that in retrospect but to me it was obvious early on that she needed to be on the court. Without a Vargas/Boscovic/Egonu type player on our roster, we NEED a setter who connects with the middles and sets them often. I know passing was tragic, but as well as Micha has done this VNL, I have yet to see her consistently get the middles involved even when the passing is better. USA needs to get their opposite situation stabilized before Paris. JT's ceiling is so high so I am confident she will get back to playing like we know she can. On the bright side, Lanier and Frantti are queens. The energy was so good that third set. I would've been content even with a loss if all the sets were played with that same energy and fight, but the first two sets were tragic. And honestly I am happy to see a team playing as well as Turkey is right now. The level is being raised and it's going to push USA and hopefully others to up their level as well. im not sure how high JT’s ceiling is but playing for Guidetti and with Cansu and Gabi should help her a lot this season…if she can keep Karatasu off the bench
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 3:12:50 GMT -5
I didn't get to watch this one How did Karakurt's reception hold up? This win is definitely exciting for Turkiye. Getting rid of Guidetti was the best thing for this team. i told yall that BEFORE the wc last year and yall said i was high
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2023 3:14:46 GMT -5
he would have won them this match too lol. He never had Vargas no he wouldn't. Turkiye at the end of set 2 and 3 panicked as usual and started making mistakes. If it wasn't Santarelli's calm demeanour, they could have lost it. Guidetti, especially towards the end, has become very harsh and angry towards players. He was saying things like not trusting the players at all. Vargas didn't make the difference today. Yeah... I'm gonna go with a hot NO on this Vargas take, but I'll agree with you about Giudetti.
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 3:16:10 GMT -5
no he wouldn't. Turkiye at the end of set 2 and 3 panicked as usual and started making mistakes. If it wasn't Santarelli's calm demeanour, they could have lost it. Guidetti, especially towards the end, has become very harsh and angry towards players. He was saying things like not trusting the players at all. Vargas didn't make the difference today. Yeah... I'm gonna go with a hot NO on this take. yes she was a huge difference maker. We saw what you have with Karakurt as the go-to option.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2023 3:21:45 GMT -5
Yeah... I'm gonna go with a hot NO on this take. yes she was a huge difference maker. We saw what you have with Karakurt as the go-to option. Yeah, there are too many matches where she eventually begins to break down, but she had a phenomenal first 2 sets. I think 2 things can be true, 1. Guidetti would not have won, even with Vargas, and 2. Vargas was the difference today for Santa, it wasn't Santa's brilliance alone that won it for Turkey.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2023 3:23:54 GMT -5
To be honest, of all the teams in the top 8, I'm probably the most OK with losing to Turkey, considering our record against them the past 5 years. The deserve a shot at the top spot in a tournament. I'm happy for them. I hope they beat China, LOL!
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 3:25:03 GMT -5
To be honest, of all the teams in the top 8, I'm probably the most OK with losing to Turkey, considering our record against them the past 5 years. The deserve a shot at the top spot in a tournament. I'm happy for them. I hope they beat China, LOL! inşallah
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Post by naujack85 on Jul 16, 2023 3:48:46 GMT -5
If Plummer doesn't get to play VNLs this year after her performance last year, Hancock shouldn't even be allowed to drive the team bus around Cali next year. Just horrendous execution and decision making.
Worst part is she will be almost certainly be there in Paris and this exact same thing will happen
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