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Post by vup on Jul 16, 2023 18:39:21 GMT -5
Kelsey was 6-4-28 as an OH1. like... I just need an explanation or something from Karch... I just dont understand the strategy. It’s almost as if Karch would rather have veteran players “play themselves out” in a big tournament than being upfront about benching them. I’m not saying that’s happening, but just a thought. Just look at the turnover after 2018 WCH (5th place). Lloyd, Murphy, Gibby, Dixon, Lowe, Adams. More or less. It’s like he can’t tell them, so he shows them… Again, not saying this is happening and/or intentional.
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Post by superfan1 on Jul 16, 2023 18:43:40 GMT -5
I meant at setting the middles, which was absolutely true as recent as last summer and this club season. this summer, she completely abandoned it Could not setting the middles be a Karch directive? Otherwise I have no explanation for yesterday’s 2 middle kills COMBINED It makes no sense considering how dominant our middles can be
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Post by sfvbsfvb on Jul 16, 2023 18:44:10 GMT -5
Sorry, dumb people trigger me. I get what you're going for, but you gotta get over the "bad grammar = dumb" schtick at some point in your life. People come from a lot of places, and it's likely difficult to find online forums where extensive and meaningful discussions are being had about volleyball in languages other than English. We're gonna get some ESL traffic, and I think it's best to just lean into grammatical errors - obv not always the case, some are just bad at syntax, but pointing it out also just makes it look like you've run out of legitimate counterarguments. <3 love u tho. But I was out of counterarguments. Let me live
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Post by hipsterfilth on Jul 16, 2023 18:53:41 GMT -5
I get what you're going for, but you gotta get over the "bad grammar = dumb" schtick at some point in your life. People come from a lot of places, and it's likely difficult to find online forums where extensive and meaningful discussions are being had about volleyball in languages other than English. We're gonna get some ESL traffic, and I think it's best to just lean into grammatical errors - obv not always the case, some are just bad at syntax, but pointing it out also just makes it look like you've run out of legitimate counterarguments. <3 love u tho. But I was out of counterarguments. Let me live Thank God. Ye shall live in peace.
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Jul 16, 2023 19:00:48 GMT -5
Could not setting the middles be a Karch directive? Otherwise I have no explanation for yesterday’s 2 middle kills COMBINED It makes no sense considering how dominant our middles can be This may be giving Karch too much credit, but maybe it’s part of a longer term strategy? Of the top 8 ranked teams, the USA is the only one that doesn’t have a power/terminal player at either pin. Let’s look at all of the other teams: China = Li YingYing Brazil = Ana Cristina, Gabi Japan = Koga Turkey = Vargas and Karakurt Serbia = Bošković Poland = Stysiak Italy = Egonu These players are the ones carrying the load for their teams and are the go-to players in key moments. From watching the US these last few summers, there isn’t anyone yet who’s stepped up since Larson “retired”. Maybe Karch’s pin-heavy approach is an attempt at developing someone to that level of consistency and reliability. Again, I’m just postulating and am likely giving Karch too much credit. Just seems like the only sensible reason (aside from atrocious passing) why the middles were ghosted on offense.
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Post by sfvbsfvb on Jul 16, 2023 19:08:44 GMT -5
But I was out of counterarguments. Let me live Thank God. Ye shall live in peace. Thank ye, thank ye
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Post by allballs on Jul 16, 2023 19:09:43 GMT -5
Ohh making a new account to trash Carlini lol... go back to the one I blocked.. . setter #7😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 please help me off the floor there are better ways to educate casual followers to the women’s game. I only follow women’s Team USA when there’s a noteworthy tournament happening. These are amazing players no doubt, but their name recognition to us non-stans is not Anderson, Smith, or even Russell level.
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Post by sfvbsfvb on Jul 16, 2023 19:11:28 GMT -5
It makes no sense considering how dominant our middles can be This may be giving Karch too much credit, but maybe it’s part of a longer term strategy? Of the top 8 ranked teams, the USA is the only one that doesn’t have a power/terminal player at either pin. Let’s look at all of the other teams: China = Li YingYing Brazil = Ana Cristina, Gabi Japan = Koga Turkey = Vargas and Karakurt Serbia = Bošković Poland = Stysiak Italy = Egonu These players are the ones carrying the load for their teams and are the go-to players in key moments. From watching the US these last few summers, there isn’t anyone yet who’s stepped up since Larson “retired”. Maybe Karch’s pin-heavy approach is an attempt at developing someone to that level of consistency and reliability. Again, I’m just postulating and am likely giving Karch too much credit. Just seems like the only sensible reason (aside from atrocious passing) why the middles were ghosted on offense. I feel like one issue we’ve developed is, “look, we won Olympic gold with a balanced offense, let’s just keep doing that” but passing has dropped significantly and now we’re OOS more often than not. Either we have great passing like in 2021 and run tempo with all options, or we need a terminal OOS swinger that’s not a shankfest. Maybe that’s Plummer on oppo. Maybe it’s JT in her Milano prime.
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Post by anastasia1 on Jul 16, 2023 19:20:39 GMT -5
i just watched this and wow…pissed idek where to start😭
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Jul 16, 2023 19:24:49 GMT -5
This may be giving Karch too much credit, but maybe it’s part of a longer term strategy? Of the top 8 ranked teams, the USA is the only one that doesn’t have a power/terminal player at either pin. Let’s look at all of the other teams: China = Li YingYing Brazil = Ana Cristina, Gabi Japan = Koga Turkey = Vargas and Karakurt Serbia = Bošković Poland = Stysiak Italy = Egonu These players are the ones carrying the load for their teams and are the go-to players in key moments. From watching the US these last few summers, there isn’t anyone yet who’s stepped up since Larson “retired”. Maybe Karch’s pin-heavy approach is an attempt at developing someone to that level of consistency and reliability. Again, I’m just postulating and am likely giving Karch too much credit. Just seems like the only sensible reason (aside from atrocious passing) why the middles were ghosted on offense. I feel like one issue we’ve developed is, “look, we won Olympic gold with a balanced offense, let’s just keep doing that” but passing has dropped significantly and now we’re OOS more often than not. Either we have great passing like in 2021 and run tempo with all options, or we need a terminal OOS swinger that’s not a shankfest. Maybe that’s Plummer on oppo. Maybe it’s JT in her Milano prime. Agreed. He’s playing the wrong playbook for the team he has. We really need a terminal go-to player if we want to have a shot at defending our title in Paris.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 16, 2023 19:26:23 GMT -5
i just watched this and wow…pissed idek where to start😭 just stan Avery and move on lol
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jul 16, 2023 19:46:40 GMT -5
It makes no sense considering how dominant our middles can be This may be giving Karch too much credit, but maybe it’s part of a longer term strategy? Of the top 8 ranked teams, the USA is the only one that doesn’t have a power/terminal player at either pin. Let’s look at all of the other teams: China = Li YingYing Brazil = Ana Cristina, Gabi Japan = Koga Turkey = Vargas and Karakurt Serbia = Bošković Poland = Stysiak Italy = Egonu These players are the ones carrying the load for their teams and are the go-to players in key moments. From watching the US these last few summers, there isn’t anyone yet who’s stepped up since Larson “retired”. Maybe Karch’s pin-heavy approach is an attempt at developing someone to that level of consistency and reliability. Again, I’m just postulating and am likely giving Karch too much credit. Just seems like the only sensible reason (aside from atrocious passing) why the middles were ghosted on offense. lol there is no reason why Kelsey and Larson should not be as good as Koga.
Japan is permanently in system so it's different that way but still
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Jul 16, 2023 19:57:18 GMT -5
This may be giving Karch too much credit, but maybe it’s part of a longer term strategy? Of the top 8 ranked teams, the USA is the only one that doesn’t have a power/terminal player at either pin. Let’s look at all of the other teams: China = Li YingYing Brazil = Ana Cristina, Gabi Japan = Koga Turkey = Vargas and Karakurt Serbia = Bošković Poland = Stysiak Italy = Egonu These players are the ones carrying the load for their teams and are the go-to players in key moments. From watching the US these last few summers, there isn’t anyone yet who’s stepped up since Larson “retired”. Maybe Karch’s pin-heavy approach is an attempt at developing someone to that level of consistency and reliability. Again, I’m just postulating and am likely giving Karch too much credit. Just seems like the only sensible reason (aside from atrocious passing) why the middles were ghosted on offense. lol there is no reason why Kelsey and Larson should not be as good as Koga.
Japan is permanently in system so it's different that way but still
I do think Larson is better than Koga at this point, but I excluded her since she didn’t play at all last summer and didn’t play this VNL. Cook’s passing is great, but she’s basically a front court Libero with how ineffective her offense is 🤷♂️
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 16, 2023 20:05:51 GMT -5
lol there is no reason why Kelsey and Larson should not be as good as Koga.
Japan is permanently in system so it's different that way but still
I do think Larson is better than Koga at this point, but I excluded her since she didn’t play at all last summer and didn’t play this VNL. Cook’s passing is great, but she’s basically a front court Libero with how ineffective her offense is 🤷♂️ I honestly think at this point coaches from other top teams are instructing their players not to defend Cook in the prelims (e.g., hard commit to help on middle, etc.), in hopes of baiting Karch to start her in the medal rounds.
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Post by tablealgebra on Jul 16, 2023 20:28:52 GMT -5
It makes no sense considering how dominant our middles can be This may be giving Karch too much credit, but maybe it’s part of a longer term strategy? Of the top 8 ranked teams, the USA is the only one that doesn’t have a power/terminal player at either pin. Let’s look at all of the other teams: China = Li YingYing Brazil = Ana Cristina, Gabi Japan = Koga Turkey = Vargas and Karakurt Serbia = Bošković Poland = Stysiak Italy = Egonu These players are the ones carrying the load for their teams and are the go-to players in key moments. From watching the US these last few summers, there isn’t anyone yet who’s stepped up since Larson “retired”. Maybe Karch’s pin-heavy approach is an attempt at developing someone to that level of consistency and reliability. Again, I’m just postulating and am likely giving Karch too much credit. Just seems like the only sensible reason (aside from atrocious passing) why the middles were ghosted on offense. Setting middles from 7 feet off the net takes tons of practice and isn't even that effective. Lots of middles get stuffed on those plays because they can't see both the ball and the block properly when the ball is coming from behind them. And the US didn't get the ball within 4 feet of the net for most of the match. Also, against Poland we often went to the pins even in system when Korneluk was up front because she doesn't move laterally well enough to defend both middle and pin and so the pins were getting their one-on-one hitting in from in-system plays which was more reliable that a middle trying to hit past Korneluk. As for your other point, the US has a top level opposite when JT is healthy and at her best. She nearly carried Milano to a title this past Spring and her getting hurt during that series was a key reason they faded down the stretch. The problem is, JT doesn't have a great track record recently of either staying healthy OR playing at her best when she is. So - new plan: Get Haak to play in PVF or LOVB from 24-26 and start the naturalization process stat.
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