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Post by enchantress on Jul 16, 2023 20:31:59 GMT -5
This may be giving Karch too much credit, but maybe it’s part of a longer term strategy? Of the top 8 ranked teams, the USA is the only one that doesn’t have a power/terminal player at either pin. Let’s look at all of the other teams: China = Li YingYing Brazil = Ana Cristina, Gabi Japan = Koga Turkey = Vargas and Karakurt Serbia = Bošković Poland = Stysiak Italy = Egonu These players are the ones carrying the load for their teams and are the go-to players in key moments. From watching the US these last few summers, there isn’t anyone yet who’s stepped up since Larson “retired”. Maybe Karch’s pin-heavy approach is an attempt at developing someone to that level of consistency and reliability. Again, I’m just postulating and am likely giving Karch too much credit. Just seems like the only sensible reason (aside from atrocious passing) why the middles were ghosted on offense. Setting middles from 7 feet off the net takes tons of practice and isn't even that effective. Lots of middles get stuffed on those plays because they can't see both the ball and the block properly when the ball is coming from behind them. And the US didn't get the ball within 4 feet of the net for most of the match. Also, against Poland we often went to the pins even in system when Korneluk was up front because she doesn't move laterally well enough to defend both middle and pin and so the pins were getting their one-on-one hitting in from in-system plays which was more reliable that a middle trying to hit past Korneluk. As for your other point, the US has a top level opposite when JT is healthy and at her best. She nearly carried Milano to a title this past Spring and her getting hurt during that series was a key reason they faded down the stretch. The problem is, JT doesn't have a great track record recently of either staying healthy OR playing at her best when she is. So - new plan: Get Haak to play in PVF or LOVB from 24-26 and start the naturalization process stat. isn't the new rule in effect or is there still a short window of opportunity? not that i think Haak would ever do it
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Post by Wichsen on Jul 16, 2023 20:38:38 GMT -5
If kcook is playing in a different NT. She is basically a player who can be subin at the back for defense or starting/backup libero.
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Post by tablealgebra on Jul 16, 2023 20:42:04 GMT -5
Setting middles from 7 feet off the net takes tons of practice and isn't even that effective. Lots of middles get stuffed on those plays because they can't see both the ball and the block properly when the ball is coming from behind them. And the US didn't get the ball within 4 feet of the net for most of the match. Also, against Poland we often went to the pins even in system when Korneluk was up front because she doesn't move laterally well enough to defend both middle and pin and so the pins were getting their one-on-one hitting in from in-system plays which was more reliable that a middle trying to hit past Korneluk. As for your other point, the US has a top level opposite when JT is healthy and at her best. She nearly carried Milano to a title this past Spring and her getting hurt during that series was a key reason they faded down the stretch. The problem is, JT doesn't have a great track record recently of either staying healthy OR playing at her best when she is. So - new plan: Get Haak to play in PVF or LOVB from 24-26 and start the naturalization process stat. isn't the new rule in effect or is there still a short window of opportunity? not that i think Haak would ever do it I have no idea, but I'm also clearly not being serious about the Haak thing.
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Post by widdledumpling on Jul 16, 2023 20:44:37 GMT -5
I have no idea, but I'm also clearly not being serious about the Haak thing. You should be lol
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 16, 2023 20:46:38 GMT -5
Setting middles from 7 feet off the net takes tons of practice and isn't even that effective. Lots of middles get stuffed on those plays because they can't see both the ball and the block properly when the ball is coming from behind them. And the US didn't get the ball within 4 feet of the net for most of the match. Also, against Poland we often went to the pins even in system when Korneluk was up front because she doesn't move laterally well enough to defend both middle and pin and so the pins were getting their one-on-one hitting in from in-system plays which was more reliable that a middle trying to hit past Korneluk. As for your other point, the US has a top level opposite when JT is healthy and at her best. She nearly carried Milano to a title this past Spring and her getting hurt during that series was a key reason they faded down the stretch. The problem is, JT doesn't have a great track record recently of either staying healthy OR playing at her best when she is. So - new plan: Get Haak to play in PVF or LOVB from 24-26 and start the naturalization process stat. isn't the new rule in effect or is there still a short window of opportunity? not that i think Haak would ever do it There’s about a 3 month window before formal approval by the FIVB.
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Post by Sbilo on Jul 16, 2023 20:56:45 GMT -5
What is going on with JWO? She’s been really bad in this tournament.
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Post by genisvel on Jul 16, 2023 21:27:07 GMT -5
What is going on with JWO? She’s been really bad in this tournament. The whole tournament? I'd have said she was inconsistent. The Turkiye game was the worst.
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Post by badgerbreath on Jul 16, 2023 21:48:47 GMT -5
I have no idea, but I'm also clearly not being serious about the Haak thing. You should be lol Haak is wasted on the international stage with Sweden. It's incredibly sad to me that we don't get to see her in the Olympics, never mind competitions like the VNL. The US should do it as a favor to the world, with kindness in our hearts and tears in our eyes.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jul 16, 2023 22:17:43 GMT -5
If kcook is playing in a different NT. She is basically a player who can be subin at the back for defense or starting/backup libero. This is so backwards. Cook is starting on nearly every single National Team in the world because they have 1-2 more pins on the court with her at all times that can terminate. We are literally the only ones who struggle with her on the court because we don’t have a world class terminal pin.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2023 8:37:16 GMT -5
ok Poland it's not Olympic gold. It's their first VNL medal though. Let them celebrate!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2023 8:39:22 GMT -5
If kcook is playing in a different NT. She is basically a player who can be subin at the back for defense or starting/backup libero. This is so backwards. Cook is starting on nearly every single National Team in the world because they have 1-2 more pins on the court with her at all times that can terminate. We are literally the only ones who struggle with her on the court because we don’t have a world class terminal pin. I’d take Kelsey in a heart beat
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2023 8:53:37 GMT -5
This week only affirmed that the Gov will be a lock for the tournament later this year. Kelsey probably will be too because she’s the best passer. That leaves 2 more spots. I think Frantti is the next best. So that leaves Skinner, Lanier, and Plummer to battle it out. Karch may take 2 of the three since he won’t give Hentz a chance either I dunno about leaving Hentz off the roster. If he just brings JWO, she will play 7 matches across 9 days of competition. That is A LOT of ball in a very short amount of time. However, if she were up to that task, I would probably bring Lanier and Plummer. My thought process is that Plummer could play at either pin in the front row if needed. This wouldn't allow her to be a service target that much. (3 rotations) Skinner needs a good "seasoning" season in Italy next pro season and I'll bet she will very much be in the olympic conversation. Kelsey's stock is falling IMO. If even one out of (Frantti/Plummer/Lanier/Skinner) develops an even semi decent passing game, her time in the front court is over. She still has value in the back court, when she shows up that is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2023 9:00:54 GMT -5
Team USA just had a bad weekend. No big deal. Players with just 1 year of pro experience looked good and will get better with experience. Setter #1 played too many games this tournament and was clearly affected, Setter #7, well looks like everyone here is gonna root for her no matter what, but she’s not the answer. Let’s face it, Team USA hasn’t won anything that matters when setter #7 is involved. Ohh making a new account to trash Carlini lol... go back to the one I blocked.. . Is this that "?" troll again?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2023 9:20:25 GMT -5
I do think Larson is better than Koga at this point, but I excluded her since she didn’t play at all last summer and didn’t play this VNL. Cook’s passing is great, but she’s basically a front court Libero with how ineffective her offense is 🤷♂️ I honestly think at this point coaches from other top teams are instructing their players not to defend Cook in the prelims (e.g., hard commit to help on middle, etc.), in hopes of baiting Karch to start her in the medal rounds. Wow. That is some next level strategy if true.
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Post by Reach on Jul 17, 2023 9:23:05 GMT -5
Ohh making a new account to trash Carlini lol... go back to the one I blocked.. . Is this that "?" troll again? Yes lol
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