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Post by avid 2.0 on Sept 15, 2023 16:43:57 GMT -5
everyone is going to write it however they want.
nebraska will say they have the largest volleyball attendance
marquette/wisconsin will say they have the biggest one indoors.
both of them are true.
the ncaa list will show the 92,0003 at the top of their list when they release it next year
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Post by slxpress on Sept 15, 2023 16:45:56 GMT -5
This is a dumb analogy. They don’t call it indoor football. I don’t understand the Nebraska fan insistence on this. Do Nebraska fans feel like they didn’t receive enough recognition for Volleyball Day? Or that they won’t continue to receive it in the future? Is this going to lead to a wave of volleyball matches in outdoor venues? And then to make a comparison to NFL football. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? The point is that in both cases the sport in played under the same rules. The sport is the same, only the location is different. There is no need to separate the two. It’s called women’s indoor volleyball. It’s in the name. A distinction regarding an indoor attendance record seems entirely appropriate. It doesn’t take away at all from the incredible significance of Nebraska’s outdoor attendance record, an event which still leaves me slack jawed in awe and admiration regarding the vision and execution of the entire event. I personally will support people lauding continuing records being broken regarding indoor attendance even if none of them come remotely close to Nebraska’s outdoor record. And if someone one hosts a women’s sports event in a domed stadium that holds more than the 93k Memorial stadium held that day, I have no issue with Nebraska continuing to extol themselves for holding the outdoor record. Your insistence on this point seems odd to me.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Sept 15, 2023 16:57:01 GMT -5
Please, let's agree to stop using the terms "indoor record" and "outdoor record". There is no official designation that I know of between indoor and outdoor in the record book. The University of Nebraska system and Wayne State went to great effort and expense to insure that the stadium matches were played under the NCAA Women's Volleyball rules. It is clear at this point that Volleyball attendance numbers in Wisconsin, Nebraska and a few other places are determined by venue size and that is always good. What Wisconsin-Marquette accomplished this week can be celebrated without intentionally or not, implying the NCAA Volleyball attendance record was set. I think the distinction is warranted to be quite honest, whether the NCAA officially recognizes it or not. It was a great event for Nebraska, but a volleyball match in a football stadium that was put there with the express intent to set the attendance record is different than indoor matches. PLUS the warm-up acts of the games before the main match, AND the concert at the end. All fantastic bells and whistles, but this from the start was more about an event than showcasing volleyball. imo Also (as an aside) the Marquette/ Wisconsin game was just, flat out, a better game from a volleyball standpoint. Again imo.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Sept 15, 2023 16:58:28 GMT -5
I think the distinction is warranted to be quite honest, whether the NCAA officially recognizes it or not. It was a great event for Nebraska, but a volleyball match in a football stadium that was put there with the express intent to set the attendance record is different than indoor matches. PLUS the warm-up acts of the games before the main match, AND the concert at the end. All fantastic bells and whistles, but this from the start was more about an event than showcasing volleyball. imo Also (as an aside) the Marquette/ Wisconsin game was just, flat out, a better game from a volleyball standpoint. Again imo. eh... thats just untrue lol 50 of the people there were there for the D2 game and they already sold like 85k tickets before the concert artist was even announced. there's no need to drag down either match. (Nebraska's for being an event/Marq/Wisc for being indoors)
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Sept 15, 2023 17:05:19 GMT -5
PLUS the warm-up acts of the games before the main match, AND the concert at the end. All fantastic bells and whistles, but this from the start was more about an event than showcasing volleyball. imo Also (as an aside) the Marquette/ Wisconsin game was just, flat out, a better game from a volleyball standpoint. Again imo. eh... thats just untrue lol 50 of the people there were there for the D2 game and they already sold like 85k tickets before the concert artist was even announced. there's no need to drag down either match. (Nebraska's for being an event/Marq/Wisc for being indoors) We can disagree on this, but I still feel both bookend events were there to ensure a sellout, and there's nothing wrong with that. Technically speaking there's nothing to "drag down" where the Marq/Wisc event is concerned. They filled a building to its capacity (or at least sold/purchased enough to do so) Both events were great, I never tried to imply anything other than that.
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Post by vergyltantor on Sept 15, 2023 17:05:38 GMT -5
The point is that in both cases the sport in played under the same rules. The sport is the same, only the location is different. There is no need to separate the two. It’s called women’s indoor volleyball. It’s in the name. A distinction regarding an indoor attendance record seems entirely appropriate. It doesn’t take away at all from the incredible significance of Nebraska’s outdoor attendance record, an event which still leaves me slack jawed in awe and admiration regarding the vision and execution of the entire event. I personally will support people lauding continuing records being broken regarding indoor attendance even if none of them come remotely close to Nebraska’s outdoor record. And if someone one hosts a women’s sports event in a domed stadium that holds more than the 93k Memorial stadium held that day, I have no issue with Nebraska continuing to extol themselves for holding the outdoor record. Your insistence on this point seems odd to me. NCAA Volleyball, Women's College Volleyball, Beach Volleyball all terms in common usage. Indoor-Outdoor Volleyball are not terms that were in common usage until two weeks ago. I'm done with this.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Sept 15, 2023 17:08:38 GMT -5
eh... thats just untrue lol 50 of the people there were there for the D2 game and they already sold like 85k tickets before the concert artist was even announced. there's no need to drag down either match. (Nebraska's for being an event/Marq/Wisc for being indoors) We can disagree on this, but I still feel both bookend events were there to ensure a sellout, and there's nothing wrong with that. Technically speaking there's nothing to "drag down" where the Marq/Wisc event is concerned. They filled a building to its capacity (or at least sold/purchased enough to do so) Both events were great, I never tried to imply anything other than that. You can feel that way about the concert... but the numbers show for itself (and feeling that way about the D2 match is just silly)
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Post by slxpress on Sept 15, 2023 17:24:07 GMT -5
It’s called women’s indoor volleyball. It’s in the name. A distinction regarding an indoor attendance record seems entirely appropriate. It doesn’t take away at all from the incredible significance of Nebraska’s outdoor attendance record, an event which still leaves me slack jawed in awe and admiration regarding the vision and execution of the entire event. I personally will support people lauding continuing records being broken regarding indoor attendance even if none of them come remotely close to Nebraska’s outdoor record. And if someone one hosts a women’s sports event in a domed stadium that holds more than the 93k Memorial stadium held that day, I have no issue with Nebraska continuing to extol themselves for holding the outdoor record. Your insistence on this point seems odd to me. NCAA Volleyball, Women's College Volleyball, Beach Volleyball all terms in common usage. Indoor-Outdoor Volleyball are not terms that were in common usage until two weeks ago. I'm done with this. I’m glad you’re done with this, because the idea the term indoor volleyball was made up a couple of weeks ago is farcical. It’s not used ubiquitously because it’s not needed, since the matches are never played outdoors. There’s a reason for that. It drastically changes the dynamic, which is why we’re not going to get a raft of outdoor volleyball matches played with indoor rules. No one is interested in that, including Nebraska. All you have to do is google indoor volleyball. The term is used regularly, both on its own and to distinguish it from beach volleyball. I find your arguments completely uncompelling and nonsensical. Nothing is going to diminish Nebraska’s event in my lifetime - including for some program out there to exceed it, which I think has no chance of happening given my age. This idea that making a distinction regarding an indoor record as somehow wrongheaded just screams of some kind of petulance to me.
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Post by vergyltantor on Sept 15, 2023 17:43:39 GMT -5
NCAA Volleyball, Women's College Volleyball, Beach Volleyball all terms in common usage. Indoor-Outdoor Volleyball are not terms that were in common usage until two weeks ago. I'm done with this. I’m glad you’re done with this, because the idea the term indoor volleyball was made up a couple of weeks ago is farcical. It’s not used ubiquitously because it’s not needed, since the matches are never played outdoors. There’s a reason for that. It drastically changes the dynamic, which is why we’re not going to get a raft of outdoor volleyball matches played with indoor rules. No one is interested in that, including Nebraska. All you have to do is google indoor volleyball. The term is used regularly, both on its own and to distinguish it from beach volleyball. I find your arguments completely uncompelling and nonsensical. Nothing is going to diminish Nebraska’s event in my lifetime - including for some program out there to exceed it, which I think has no chance of happening given my age. This idea that making a distinction regarding an indoor record as somehow wrongheaded just screams of some kind of petulance to me. I have tolerated your calling my analogies dumb, and my insistence on a point odd but Google it? Really? Try Googling singing cats. Disrespectful post are the order of the day on VT but I didn't expect it from you.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 15, 2023 17:49:38 GMT -5
I’m glad you’re done with this, because the idea the term indoor volleyball was made up a couple of weeks ago is farcical. It’s not used ubiquitously because it’s not needed, since the matches are never played outdoors. There’s a reason for that. It drastically changes the dynamic, which is why we’re not going to get a raft of outdoor volleyball matches played with indoor rules. No one is interested in that, including Nebraska. All you have to do is google indoor volleyball. The term is used regularly, both on its own and to distinguish it from beach volleyball. I find your arguments completely uncompelling and nonsensical. Nothing is going to diminish Nebraska’s event in my lifetime - including for some program out there to exceed it, which I think has no chance of happening given my age. This idea that making a distinction regarding an indoor record as somehow wrongheaded just screams of some kind of petulance to me. I have tolerated your calling my analogies dumb, and my insistence on a point odd but Google it? Really? Try Googling singing cats. Disrespectful post are the order of the day on VT but I didn't expect it from you. Your analogy was dumb. Your insistence is odd. Saying that the term indoor volleyball was invented two weeks ago bizarre, and I googled it before I asked you to do so, so I wasn’t asking you to do anything I wasn’t willing to do. Don’t know why you didn’t expect it from me other than you haven’t read enough of my 11k+ posts to know better. I don’t expect you to. I’m just saying this isn’t exactly a new side of me. It’s just a new side of me to you.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Sept 15, 2023 23:51:26 GMT -5
We can disagree on this, but I still feel both bookend events were there to ensure a sellout, and there's nothing wrong with that. Technically speaking there's nothing to "drag down" where the Marq/Wisc event is concerned. They filled a building to its capacity (or at least sold/purchased enough to do so) Both events were great, I never tried to imply anything other than that. You can feel that way about the concert... but the numbers show for itself (and feeling that way about the D2 match is just silly) You’ve made your opinion known, so be it.
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Post by mcmike on Sept 15, 2023 23:58:33 GMT -5
Does anyone disagree that NCAA D1 volleyball, contested between strong programs, showcases talente d athletes working together such that the viewing public is both entertained and impressed?
Then we should all lobby for higher frame rate review and more rapid resolution of challenges. The casual viewer may lose patience with long delays.
As well the players, coaches, and serious fans should pressure the powers that be to get referees to whistle MORE borderline throws. The third contact is supposed to be hit. If serious fans question non-calls the casual viewer is going to see a play that seems unfair and that’s a turnoff that dampens the mood and enthusiasm.
The advertisers that ESPN is courting don’t want casual people surfing away if they see a ‘foul’ go uncalled. Missles are exciting, guided missles and tips are confusing.
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Post by greatlakesvballer on Sept 16, 2023 0:23:25 GMT -5
This is a dumb analogy. They don’t call it indoor football. I don’t understand the Nebraska fan insistence on this. Do Nebraska fans feel like they didn’t receive enough recognition for Volleyball Day? Or that they won’t continue to receive it in the future? Is this going to lead to a wave of volleyball matches in outdoor venues? And then to make a comparison to NFL football. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? The point is that in both cases the sport in played under the same rules. The sport is the same, only the location is different. There is no need to separate the two. Wisconsin and Marquette set the indoor volleyball attendance record. Nebraska set the outdoor record with Omaha in a football stadium. What's the big deal?
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Post by vergyltantor on Sept 16, 2023 1:36:50 GMT -5
Does anyone disagree that NCAA D1 volleyball, contested between strong programs, showcases talente d athletes working together such that the viewing public is both entertained and impressed? Then we should all lobby for higher frame rate review and more rapid resolution of challenges. The casual viewer may lose patience with long delays. As well the players, coaches, and serious fans should pressure the powers that be to get referees to whistle MORE borderline throws. The third contact is supposed to be hit. If serious fans question non-calls the casual viewer is going to see a play that seems unfair and that’s a turnoff that dampens the mood and enthusiasm. The advertisers that ESPN is courting don’t want casual people surfing away if they see a ‘foul’ go uncalled. Missles are exciting, guided missles and tips are confusing. Agreed, when ESPN shows a replay of a contested tip call they must be filling time while the official looks at a better replay at the scorer's table. They have no chance of being able to see a tip and sometimes even an out of bounds replay is a blur. Throw/carry calls were supposed to be a point of emphasis this season. From what I have seen they are are not called with any consistency and there hasn't been a substantial change.
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Post by gazelle1 on Sept 16, 2023 11:43:09 GMT -5
The point is that in both cases the sport in played under the same rules. The sport is the same, only the location is different. There is no need to separate the two. Wisconsin and Marquette set the indoor volleyball attendance record. Nebraska set the outdoor record with Omaha in a football stadium. What's the big deal? The big deal is that the two events don't belong in the same discussion. The Wisconsin/Marquette match is only a record if you include several qualifiers; It was an indoor event as opposed to outdoor, it was a volleyball event (as opposed to women's WNBA basketball games, which have drawn bigger crowds), and it was specific to the US (I can't find any data on worldwide attendance but I would guess women's volleyball in Turkey, Italy, and Brazil have drawn bigger crowds to games). The event in Nebraska was the largest crowd to witness a women's sporting event. Period. That is true across all sports, all countries, and all time. No qualifiers needed.
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