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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 21, 2024 13:04:16 GMT -5
Ya know, if yall weren't virulently anti-Israel and deadset on taking shots at Biden, you could see how the statements are easily reconcilable. Biden is saying a two-state solution isn't foreclosed at some time in the future, while Netanyahu is saying it's not happening right now (e.g., what he's actually saying is that after he destroys Hamas they have to retain security control over Gaza).
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Post by guest2 on Jan 21, 2024 13:25:24 GMT -5
Ya know, if yall weren't virulently anti-Israel and deadset on taking shots at Biden, you could see how the statements are easily reconcilable. Biden is saying a two-state solution isn't foreclosed at some time in the future, while Netanyahu is saying it's not happening right now (e.g., what he's actually saying is that after he destroys Hamas they have to retain security control over Gaza). If one state "retains security control" over another there is only one state. Also the easy reconciliation you claim is so apparent to the unbiased is one that has also been missed by such pro Palestine partisans as the New York Times and various Israeli outlets
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Post by longboards on Jan 21, 2024 13:29:47 GMT -5
Ya know, if yall weren't virulently anti-Israel and deadset on taking shots at Biden, you could see how the statements are easily reconcilable. Biden is saying a two-state solution isn't foreclosed at some time in the future, while Netanyahu is saying it's not happening right now (e.g., what he's actually saying is that after he destroys Hamas they have to retain security control over Gaza). Killing thousands of civilians and bulldozing graveyards ensures there will always be a Hamas, or similar group, as an enemy.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 21, 2024 13:30:41 GMT -5
Ya know, if yall weren't virulently anti-Israel and deadset on taking shots at Biden, you could see how the statements are easily reconcilable. Biden is saying a two-state solution isn't foreclosed at some time in the future, while Netanyahu is saying it's not happening right now (e.g., what he's actually saying is that after he destroys Hamas they have to retain security control over Gaza). Killing thousands of civilians and bulldozing graveyards ensures there will always be a Hamas, or similar group, as an enemy. That was true before the October 7th conflict.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 21, 2024 13:31:14 GMT -5
Ya know, if yall weren't virulently anti-Israel and deadset on taking shots at Biden, you could see how the statements are easily reconcilable. Biden is saying a two-state solution isn't foreclosed at some time in the future, while Netanyahu is saying it's not happening right now (e.g., what he's actually saying is that after he destroys Hamas they have to retain security control over Gaza). If one state "retains security control" over another there is only one state. Also the easy reconciliation you claim is so apparent to the unbiased is one that has also been missed by such pro Palestine partisans as the New York Times and various Israeli outlets Whoosh.
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Post by longboards on Jan 21, 2024 13:34:07 GMT -5
Killing thousands of civilians and bulldozing graveyards ensures there will always be a Hamas, or similar group, as an enemy. That was true before the October 7th conflict. How is it not true today.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2024 10:24:23 GMT -5
According to CNN, apparently the Israelis have been shooting people waving white flags, including grandmothers.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 26, 2024 11:02:02 GMT -5
The ICJ ruled this morning South Africa's genocide case against Israel can proceed.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 26, 2024 11:43:25 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 3, 2024 10:34:17 GMT -5
It seems this is all related to the topic, so I'll mention it here.
Strikes against US bases a couple days ago killed some US personnel and injured others. The attacks were apparently from Iran-linked militant groups, and were claimed to be because of US support of Israel in Gaza.
US has now retaliated with airstrikes against something like 85 targets in Syria and Iraq, which they say are linked to the previous attacks. Iraq and Syria have both protested this action.
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Post by volleyguy on Feb 7, 2024 0:08:57 GMT -5
Pretty important development. One of the potential reasons for Iran's support of Hamas was the probability of a security agreement between Israel and Saudi Arabia. It was not clear if MBS (Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud) would honor the historical support for the Palestinians given his backing of the agreement with Israel. Saudi Arabia says there will be no diplomatic relations with Israel without an independent Palestinian state CAIRO, Feb 7 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia has told the U.S. its position stands that there will be no diplomatic relations with Israel unless an independent Palestinian state is recognised on the 1967 borders with East Jerusalem, and Israeli "aggression" on the Gaza Strip stops, the Saudi foreign ministry said in a statement on Wednesday. On Tuesday, White House National Security spokesperson John Kirby said that the Biden administration has received positive feedback that Saudi Arabia and Israel are willing to continue to have normalization discussions. www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-says-there-will-be-no-diplomatic-relations-with-israel-without-an-2024-02-07/
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 7, 2024 0:26:09 GMT -5
White House keeps trying to spin things:
"Israel accepts a two-state solution." Israel: "No we don't." "This isn't stopping discussions about normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel." Saudi Arabia: "Yes it is."
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 17, 2024 11:30:47 GMT -5
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Post by guest2 on Feb 17, 2024 15:55:44 GMT -5
New survey in Israel shows that, quoting the NYT here, "94 percent of Israeli Jews and 82 percent of the total population think the Israeli military has used “adequate or too little force” in Gaza."
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 17, 2024 21:06:50 GMT -5
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