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Post by vbnerd on Nov 15, 2023 11:33:54 GMT -5
Today's e-mail from Coaches.wire but it seems like we already have these announcements...
NCAA DI…
Jacksonville: The University has parted ways with Head Coach Maggie Johnson after four seasons at the helm of the program (link)
Lamar: Head Coach Brandon Crisp will not return for the 2024 season after two years in charge of the program (link)
Seattle: The University has announced a change in leadership for the program as Head Coach Michelle Cole will no longer serve in the role after four seasons in charge (link)
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Post by caz on Nov 15, 2023 11:52:21 GMT -5
The previous two coaches from Jacksonville are now at Mississippi State (Darty) and Georgia Tech (Collier), so I would argue that Jacksonville has been a good job with winning. Not at all disagreeing about $$$ but seems like the past two coaches were able to figure something out with recruiting and finding enough success to land higher profile jobs. Those hires were made by a previous AD that was very good and who moved on to George Mason. The current AD was hired at an absurdly young age (he was 25 or thereabouts, youngest D1 AD ever. He's batting near .000 on his own head coach hires and all JU teams have dropped off badly except perhaps baseball and m/w lax. Pretty sure he didn't hire those coaches. Not trying to post sour grapes, but dude kinda objectively is bad at his job.
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Post by Phaedrus on Nov 15, 2023 12:32:17 GMT -5
It's a private institution, is it not? How much are we talking, if we are talking low? Money doesn't directly translate to salary. There is the support aspect: recruiting budget, full complement of assistants, S&C staff, Sports information, academic support staff, travel, etc.
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Post by n00b on Nov 15, 2023 13:21:05 GMT -5
The previous two coaches from Jacksonville are now at Mississippi State (Darty) and Georgia Tech (Collier), so I would argue that Jacksonville has been a good job with winning. Not at all disagreeing about $$$ but seems like the past two coaches were able to figure something out with recruiting and finding enough success to land higher profile jobs. So those two coaches, post-Jacksonville (1) took an unsuccessful ACC program and turned them into a consistent Top 15 team and (2) took an abysmal SEC program and got them into the NCAA tournament for the first time in forever. The number of coaches capable of that is very small. And yes, for those coaches, they can definitely win despite the resourcing issues. But if your argument is “they can win if they find more coaches like Collier and Darty”, that’s a LOT easier said than done. Edit: I’ll add that compared to a decade ago, I think the much easier and profitable path to a Power 5 head coaching job is to be a Power 5 assistant. If Darty’s dream job was always to be an SEC Head Coach, she might’ve taken the Jacksonville job when she did. But today, she’d try to get a top P5 assistant coaching job.
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Post by n00b on Nov 15, 2023 13:27:58 GMT -5
Also, Jacksonville had a coach for two years after Darty that got fired after going 15-45.
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Post by dannynoonan on Nov 15, 2023 13:34:28 GMT -5
The previous two coaches from Jacksonville are now at Mississippi State (Darty) and Georgia Tech (Collier), so I would argue that Jacksonville has been a good job with winning. Not at all disagreeing about $$$ but seems like the past two coaches were able to figure something out with recruiting and finding enough success to land higher profile jobs. So those two coaches, post-Jacksonville (1) took an unsuccessful ACC program and turned them into a consistent Top 15 team and (2) took an abysmal SEC program and got them into the NCAA tournament for the first time in forever. The number of coaches capable of that is very small. And yes, for those coaches, they can definitely win despite the resourcing issues. But if your argument is “they can win if they find more coaches like Collier and Darty”, that’s a LOT easier said than done. Edit: I’ll add that compared to a decade ago, I think the much easier and profitable path to a Power 5 head coaching job is to be a Power 5 assistant. If Darty’s dream job was always to be an SEC Head Coach, she might’ve taken the Jacksonville job when she did. But today, she’d try to get a top P5 assistant coaching job. So Jacksonville just happened to get extremely lucky and twice? What other small underfunded mid major has had two recent head coaches, that took and turned around p5 conference teams. I'm not arguing that it's not hard to find that, my point was just that recent history has showed us is, yes Jacksonville can be successful and find good coaches (yes I understand the new AD sucks, so maybe harder now)
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Post by n00b on Nov 15, 2023 13:46:55 GMT -5
So those two coaches, post-Jacksonville (1) took an unsuccessful ACC program and turned them into a consistent Top 15 team and (2) took an abysmal SEC program and got them into the NCAA tournament for the first time in forever. The number of coaches capable of that is very small. And yes, for those coaches, they can definitely win despite the resourcing issues. But if your argument is “they can win if they find more coaches like Collier and Darty”, that’s a LOT easier said than done. Edit: I’ll add that compared to a decade ago, I think the much easier and profitable path to a Power 5 head coaching job is to be a Power 5 assistant. If Darty’s dream job was always to be an SEC Head Coach, she might’ve taken the Jacksonville job when she did. But today, she’d try to get a top P5 assistant coaching job. So Jacksonville just happened to get extremely lucky and twice? What other small underfunded mid major has had two recent head coaches, that took and turned around p5 conference teams. I'm not arguing that it's not hard to find that, my point was just that recent history has showed us is, yes Jacksonville can be successful and find good coaches (yes I understand the new AD sucks, so maybe harder now) Good ADs will certainly hire more good coaches than bad ADs. But there is definitely also an aspect of luck.
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Post by n00b on Nov 15, 2023 13:52:46 GMT -5
Heck, Darty was there for four years and was UNDER .500 for that span. And an SEC school thought she did so well to get Jacksonville to 58-60 that they hired her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 14:23:15 GMT -5
Not trying to post sour grapes, but dude kinda objectively is bad at his job. Not necessarily, depending on the metric. Some institutions care far more about the bottom dollar than the product. If he's really good with finances/fundraising, he may be a win internally.
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Post by volleyballer8992 on Nov 15, 2023 15:00:02 GMT -5
It's a private institution, is it not? How much are we talking, if we are talking low? Money doesn't directly translate to salary. There is the support aspect: recruiting budget, full complement of assistants, S&C staff, Sports information, academic support staff, travel, etc. Yes correct, and maybe you don’t know, but where are they lacking financially then? Even a low recruiting budget you are within driving distance of quality VB between FL/GA/even SC. I’d have to believe there are similar schools doing more with less and in tougher areas than a Jacksonville, FL.
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Post by statsqueen on Nov 15, 2023 17:52:29 GMT -5
So Jacksonville just happened to get extremely lucky and twice? What other small underfunded mid major has had two recent head coaches, that took and turned around p5 conference teams. I'm not arguing that it's not hard to find that, my point was just that recent history has showed us is, yes Jacksonville can be successful and find good coaches (yes I understand the new AD sucks, so maybe harder now) Good ADs will certainly hire more good coaches than bad ADs. But there is definitely also an aspect of luck. Can we also acknowledge that being in Jacksonville, FL helps with attracting good coaches to an otherwise bleak prospect? A few tough seasons in a nice climate are a lot better than tough seasons in an undesirable location.
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Post by caz on Nov 15, 2023 18:22:28 GMT -5
Saint Peter's is open, I guess going 1-59 the past two seasons wasn't convincing the administration that the program was going in the right direction.
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Post by hangonsloopy on Nov 15, 2023 19:07:13 GMT -5
Saint Peter's is open, I guess going 1-59 the past two seasons wasn't convincing the administration that the program was going in the right direction. I believe someone posted before that the job is part-time. That school isn’t serious about their volleyball program.
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Post by caz on Nov 15, 2023 21:52:56 GMT -5
Saint Peter's is open, I guess going 1-59 the past two seasons wasn't convincing the administration that the program was going in the right direction. I believe someone posted before that the job is part-time. That school isn’t serious about their volleyball program. They're not serious about anything really, I can't overemphasize how staggeringly unlikely their MBB Elite Eight run in 2022 was.
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Post by volleydude444 on Nov 15, 2023 22:39:55 GMT -5
I believe someone posted before that the job is part-time. That school isn’t serious about their volleyball program. They're not serious about anything really, I can't overemphasize how staggeringly unlikely their MBB Elite Eight run in 2022 was. I took a deep dive into Saint Peter's athletics. EVERY team sport is terrible. From what I've heard the only teams that are fully funded are men's and women's basketball. All other teams get the bare minimum to survive. No full scholarships, low budgets and part-time coaches. So what do they expect if they are under funding all the other teams? The "salary" is also laughable - $15,000. Good luck with that.
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