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Post by caz on Nov 21, 2023 9:17:57 GMT -5
I was just looking through Air Force's record book, interesting stuff I didn't know. They were D2 until 1996, other sports at the academy like football were certainly D1. Some of the seasons they used to play...47-15 in 1981, that's like 2 whole seasons now LOL.
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Post by mervinswerved on Nov 21, 2023 9:24:11 GMT -5
If ETSU was worried about stuff like that they wouldn't have hired Bruce in the first place. The way he treats his players isn't exactly a secret. |
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Post by Phaedrus on Nov 21, 2023 9:54:38 GMT -5
If ETSU was worried about stuff like that they wouldn't have hired Bruce in the first place. The way he treats his players isn't exactly a secret. I guess they didn't think it mattered then. How abott now? |
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Post by mervinswerved on Nov 21, 2023 10:01:07 GMT -5
If ETSU was worried about stuff like that they wouldn't have hired Bruce in the first place. The way he treats his players isn't exactly a secret. I guess they didn't think it mattered then. How abott now? 6-23 will do that to you. Honestly, the lack of due diligence by whomever ran that search should be a fireable offense. |
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Post by itsallrelative on Nov 21, 2023 11:23:45 GMT -5
I can’t believe they let Keith go! Let me get this straight. 17-12 (9-9) overall season. Best seasons in school history. Finished 8th. If the mountain west took 8 teams into the conference tourney like most conferences with 12 teams then he would’ve been in the tournament. Air Force was the only team to beat Utah State who won the regular season championship. He recruited and developed their programs only all american (I can’t imagine they have more than her). Sounds like Keith left this program better. Hope he knows that. Yah. This is a completely logical move by the Air Force. Well done. I'm hoping Keith lands on his feet. we have certainly seen other coaches who have done less with more get another chance... |
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Post by n00b on Nov 21, 2023 11:27:41 GMT -5
I guess they didn't think it mattered then. How abott now? 6-23 will do that to you. Honestly, the lack of due diligence by whomever ran that search should be a fireable offense. Genuine question, because I've never been an administrator. If they do their due diligence and make a call to somebody they don't know who works at Delaware State or Towson or Winthrop or Hawaii-Hilo, do those administrators have the ability to answer honestly and openly? Or are they bound by their ability to comment on personnel matters? If you're an admin from outside of the volleyball world, what does "doing your due diligence" entail? |
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Post by captkirk on Nov 21, 2023 11:32:03 GMT -5
I think you nailed the problem with admins who've never coached. Due diligence should be reaching out to people you know in the sport to get a sense of candidates. I know who I'd call if I had to hire a women's bball coach or a soccer coach bc of relationships you build in your athletic dept. Also due diligence was not even attempted during the etsu search. Haphazard is a better term 6-23 will do that to you. Honestly, the lack of due diligence by whomever ran that search should be a fireable offense. Genuine question, because I've never been an administrator. If they do their due diligence and make a call to somebody they don't know who works at Delaware State or Towson or Winthrop or Hawaii-Hilo, do those administrators have the ability to answer honestly and openly? Or are they bound by their ability to comment on personnel matters? If you're an admin from outside of the volleyball world, what does "doing your due diligence" entail? |
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Post by mervinswerved on Nov 21, 2023 11:33:04 GMT -5
6-23 will do that to you. Honestly, the lack of due diligence by whomever ran that search should be a fireable offense. Genuine question, because I've never been an administrator. If they do their due diligence and make a call to somebody they don't know who works at Delaware State or Towson or Winthrop or Hawaii-Hilo, do those administrators have the ability to answer honestly and openly? Or are they bound by their ability to comment on personnel matters? If you're an admin from outside of the volleyball world, what does "doing your due diligence" entail? It probably varies state by state. And I don't know how Chuck Rey, for example, would respond to that kind of inquiry now he's an AD. But it's not hard to find someone no longer working at a particular institution who can dish. Again, if *I'm* in the know, there's a lot of people in the know. |
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Post by n00b on Nov 21, 2023 11:51:22 GMT -5
Genuine question, because I've never been an administrator. If they do their due diligence and make a call to somebody they don't know who works at Delaware State or Towson or Winthrop or Hawaii-Hilo, do those administrators have the ability to answer honestly and openly? Or are they bound by their ability to comment on personnel matters? If you're an admin from outside of the volleyball world, what does "doing your due diligence" entail? It probably varies state by state. And I don't know how Chuck Rey, for example, would respond to that kind of inquiry now he's an AD. But it's not hard to find someone no longer working at a particular institution who can dish. Again, if *I'm* in the know, there's a lot of people in the know. Sure. But if a school has 20 sports, it's hard to have an administrator that's in the know on all of them. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Nov 21, 2023 11:53:17 GMT -5
It probably varies state by state. And I don't know how Chuck Rey, for example, would respond to that kind of inquiry now he's an AD. But it's not hard to find someone no longer working at a particular institution who can dish. Again, if *I'm* in the know, there's a lot of people in the know. Sure. But if a school has 20 sports, it's hard to have an administrator that's in the know on all of them. That is literally their job. |
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Post by Winbabywin on Nov 21, 2023 12:44:39 GMT -5
That may literally be in their job description on a paper in HR. But we all know that AD's nowadays are more business (money) minded, than sports-minded.
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Post by bolleyvall123 on Nov 21, 2023 12:56:57 GMT -5
If ETSU was worried about stuff like that they wouldn't have hired Bruce in the first place. The way he treats his players isn't exactly a secret. They couldve just let Gio be head and probably wouldve had a better season. No reason they shouldve finished 8th in the SoCon |
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Post by vbnerd on Nov 21, 2023 13:43:05 GMT -5
Sure. But if a school has 20 sports, it's hard to have an administrator that's in the know on all of them. That is literally their job. I remember Julie Hermann at AVCA convention one year saying you talk to friends, watch visiting teams, look at results and bios and compile a list of 5-6 names for each sport to keep in your desk in case a job opens. ETSU obviously didn't have a list. |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 21, 2023 14:19:46 GMT -5
That is literally their job. I remember Julie Hermann at AVCA convention one year saying you talk to friends, watch visiting teams, look at results and bios and compile a list of 5-6 names for each sport to keep in your desk in case a job opens. ETSU obviously didn't have a list. Julie Hermann is a name I haven’t heard in a while. If Rutgers had taken her advice, she may not have flamed out as she did. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Nov 21, 2023 14:21:54 GMT -5
That may literally be in their job description on a paper in HR. But we all know that AD's nowadays are more business (money) minded, than sports-minded. Having coaches running around treating players like sh*t is a business issue. |
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