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Post by moderndaycoach on Nov 10, 2023 9:11:05 GMT -5
Maybe he didn't complete the Safesport training so there's a hold on his USAV membership? If that were the case why wouldn’t he just say so? Not sure he’s handling this correctly by claiming he has no idea what this is about and accusing a reporter of trying to tarnish his career. If there’s an innocent explanation, just say what it is. Otherwise he’s probably better off just refusing to comment. That’s one thing Taylor Crabb got right. Because he could honestly have no idea he is suspended, if he was formally a director or a coach and someone renewed memberships or listed him on a roster it will auto generate that he is not in compliance and therefore has an administrative hold on his account. Of course he could be worse, but this is likely something as simple as an admin error.
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Post by bobinmd on Nov 10, 2023 9:27:35 GMT -5
If that were the case why wouldn’t he just say so? Not sure he’s handling this correctly by claiming he has no idea what this is about and accusing a reporter of trying to tarnish his career. If there’s an innocent explanation, just say what it is. Otherwise he’s probably better off just refusing to comment. That’s one thing Taylor Crabb got right. Because he could honestly have no idea he is suspended, if he was formally a director or a coach and someone renewed memberships or listed him on a roster it will auto generate that he is not in compliance and therefore has an administrative hold on his account. Of course he could be worse, but this is likely something as simple as an admin error. Curious. I guess we’ll have to stay tuned.
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Post by stephenasinjin on Nov 10, 2023 9:42:42 GMT -5
“Administrative Hold” is very different than suspended and sounds much more like a safe sport certification expired and hasn’t been renewed.
I’d call this irresponsible reporting if anything.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Nov 10, 2023 10:33:59 GMT -5
“Administrative Hold” is very different than suspended and sounds much more like a safe sport certification expired and hasn’t been renewed. I’d call this irresponsible reporting if anything. I had a friend coaching club and when she went to renew her USAV membership while having completed the safesport module, clicked the wrong club she was registering with on USAV as they were identical names just different states, it flagged her on USAV and Safesport as an administrative hold and no one knew or recognized until her director signed her team up for power league and the non compliant notification got sent out. Crazy that amazing people who are great coaches and role models we want to be arounds kids get flagged/suspended for a silly mistake, yet we constantly let child predators bounce from club to club and state to state repeating their behavior and the governing bodies do very little.
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 10, 2023 11:23:51 GMT -5
Scott Reid does this a lot. Every so often he will go through Safesport and then write articles about what he finds. The timing of it is odd because he usually does this around big events or championships. Good for him. I'm praying Sinjin's suspension isn't for somethin awful, but someone needs to be pushing this stuff into the public eye. Disagree. The reporter needs to do what investigative reports do, and find out what the suspension is for. If it is benign, there is no story.
but that isn't what s/he did. S/he reported something s/he knows nothing about, with the implication that it must be something serious. Implications are just as harmful as errors in facts.
OP Greenpier is irresponsible for jumping on something s/he knows nothing about. Or if Greenpier has information we or the report don't, then say so. Greenpier's body language, in ALL CAPS for SUSPENDED, is blatant sensationalism.
Greenpier needs to tell us what his/her real name is.
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 10, 2023 11:30:36 GMT -5
It appears Greenpier has a weakness for starting threads about sensational news in this forum.
Greenpier has started less than 20 threads over 8 years here. One of them was about Hope Solo, in a completely different sport, getting SUSPENDED.
Greenpier seems to have a fetish for reporting SUSPENSIONS.
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Post by lantern on Nov 10, 2023 11:32:34 GMT -5
Can someone cut and paste the article for those that don't subscribe to OC Register?
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Post by ajm on Nov 10, 2023 12:20:44 GMT -5
“Administrative Hold” is very different than suspended and sounds much more like a safe sport certification expired and hasn’t been renewed. I’d call this irresponsible reporting if anything. I had a friend coaching club and when she went to renew her USAV membership while having completed the safesport module, clicked the wrong club she was registering with on USAV as they were identical names just different states, it flagged her on USAV and Safesport as an administrative hold and no one knew or recognized until her director signed her team up for power league and the non compliant notification got sent out. Crazy that amazing people who are great coaches and role models we want to be arounds kids get flagged/suspended for a silly mistake, yet we constantly let child predators bounce from club to club and state to state repeating their behavior and the governing bodies do very little. But again, if this was a "silly mistake" why didn't anyone say so? Reid gave Smith and USAV numerous opportunities over the course of a month to clear the air before publishing his story. There are direct quotes from two USAV staff members declining comment, and one of them even got back to Reid weeks later saying there would be no response from USAV. Even if it were some innocent administrative oversight, it's still a bad look for both Smith and USAV. For many years, Smith was the face of USAV Beach, and without him there might not even be beach volleyball in the Olympics. At the very least, Smith should be awarded some kind of USAV lifetime or emeritus membership. The fact that Smith is no longer affiliated with USAV is newsworthy by itself, and reading that he claims he hasn't kept track of his USAV membership suggests there was some sort of dispute that led to his departure from the organization. I don't really think Smith did anything heinous to deserve this suspension, but given how tight-lipped everyone seems to be, I would be surprised if there isn't more to this story.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Nov 10, 2023 12:21:57 GMT -5
Good for him. I'm praying Sinjin's suspension isn't for somethin awful, but someone needs to be pushing this stuff into the public eye. Disagree. The reporter needs to do what investigative reports do, and find out what the suspension is for. If it is benign, there is no story.
but that isn't what s/he did. S/he reported something s/he knows nothing about, with the implication that it must be something serious. Implications are just as harmful as errors in facts.
OP Greenpier is irresponsible for jumping on something s/he knows nothing about. Or if Greenpier has information we or the report don't, then say so. Greenpier's body language, in ALL CAPS for SUSPENDED, is blatant sensationalism.
Greenpier needs to tell us what his/her real name is.
I mean the name of the game is clicks these days, and as long as they did nothing that would get them sued - they accomplished their goal by getting the community to talk about it, especially since they put it behind a paywall. This current media strategy is something the sandcast guys have continuously shown us they are negligent or ignorant of.
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Post by ajm on Nov 10, 2023 12:24:20 GMT -5
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 10, 2023 12:47:55 GMT -5
Good for him. I'm praying Sinjin's suspension isn't for somethin awful, but someone needs to be pushing this stuff into the public eye. Disagree. The reporter needs to do what investigative reports do, and find out what the suspension is for. If it is benign, there is no story. but that isn't what s/he did. S/he reported something s/he knows nothing about, with the implication that it must be something serious. Implications are just as harmful as errors in facts. OP Greenpier is irresponsible for jumping on something s/he knows nothing about. Or if Greenpier has information we or the report don't, then say so. Greenpier's body language, in ALL CAPS for SUSPENDED, is blatant sensationalism.
Greenpier needs to tell us what his/her real name is.
I think this is the wrong take. Posting about publicly available information, even if the intentions are suspect, isn’t nearly as bad as the response(s) USAV has provided to questions about the information they made available to the public.
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Post by duffy1 on Nov 10, 2023 13:33:05 GMT -5
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Post by guest2 on Nov 10, 2023 15:26:20 GMT -5
“Administrative Hold” is very different than suspended and sounds much more like a safe sport certification expired and hasn’t been renewed. I’d call this irresponsible reporting if anything. Both you ansd dunninla suggested this, but its my understanding (I couldn't read either article due to paywalls) that the journalist contacted Sinjin, gave him a ton of time to answer, I believe someone said month(s), and also contacted USAV who refused to comment. So lets examine the scenario proposed by you and others, that this is an innocuous licensing issue. (and I hope thats the case, I love Sinjin and even now, 15+ years after he retired, I probably watched more of his matches this year than any active men's player). So the reporter calls USAV, says "I am going to report on Sinjin's Safesport suspension, would you explain it." So USAV thinks, "Sinjin is still one of the 10 biggest names in our sport, if we don't comment and its reported, this would be a huge hit to our sport because of the assumptions that will be made. Nope no comment." The level of stupidity involved there? Even for USAV? But ok, we can assume based on past conduct that USAV would be just that stupid. Unfortunately there is also Sinjin. Sinjin is probably the most media savvy player we have ever had in our sport. He has been expert at engaging and speaking to the media for almost 40 years. So now a reporter calls him and says "Sinjin you are suspended by Safesport, care to explain?" Sinjin absolutely knows what Safesport is, so when he heard suspension, if he didn't know he was suspended, he would immediately try to find out. As his text shows, he knows the impact the report could have - and he likely remembers the Jon Stevenson stories that came out a long time ago. So if Sinjin either 1) didnt know what the Safesport thing was about or 2) did know but it was paperwork or minor licensing stuff do you really think that given a month or more to formulate a response, someone who has handled the media deftly throughout his career would really let this story get out in this form, when he could have cleared it up with a couple phone calls? If this story was about someone we had never heard of, rather than maybe the most respected man in the sport, not sure anyone makes the same assumptions and assertions you and others are making
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Post by guest2 on Nov 10, 2023 15:26:39 GMT -5
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Post by guest2 on Nov 10, 2023 15:28:04 GMT -5
Good for him. I'm praying Sinjin's suspension isn't for somethin awful, but someone needs to be pushing this stuff into the public eye. Disagree. The reporter needs to do what investigative reports do, and find out what the suspension is for. If it is benign, there is no story. but that isn't what s/he did. S/he reported something s/he knows nothing about, with the implication that it must be something serious. Implications are just as harmful as errors in facts. OP Greenpier is irresponsible for jumping on something s/he knows nothing about. Or if Greenpier has information we or the report don't, then say so. Greenpier's body language, in ALL CAPS for SUSPENDED, is blatant sensationalism.
Greenpier needs to tell us what his/her real name is.
Seems to me that the reporter made multiple calls to all parties concerned. What other investigation would you have had them do?
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