|
|
Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 22, 2023 12:29:50 GMT -5
My suggestion for growing the sport much larger is to have a rule for the playoffs that would require transfers to wear the uniforms of the schools they transferred FROM. This would have numerous salutary effects: 1) Young players and fans would see where the best coaches for developing great players really are. 2) It would be colorful and entertaining. 3) VT would be on fire. 4) In time, people would completely forget what the uniforms of Wisconsin, Penn State, and Texas even look like. (See # 3.) professional sports could follow with taht as well. and nobody could figure out which team is which. now introducing the LA Lakers, playing guard wearing a Cleveland Jersey is Le Bron, @ Center wearing a New Orleans jersey is..... |
|
|
|
Post by radioactiveman on Nov 22, 2023 12:33:33 GMT -5
LOL. There is literally not a single person that is refusing to watch a sport because they don't like the attire of the coach on the bench.
|
|
|
|
Post by chibadgerfan on Nov 22, 2023 12:38:34 GMT -5
Introduce more analytics into the broadcasts. Show each team's hitting and sideout percentage per rotation. Passing numbers. People will learn, they'll get it quicker than you think. Treat broadcasts like Volleyball 103 instead of 101. Speaking as a broadcaster, this is easier said than done. Getting access to that data isn't easy unless your crew is doing it live. We had started to play around with building rotations graphics in the 2019 season but COVID was a major shock to the sports broadcasting sector and a lot of operations got scaled back. You also need to have a color person who can talk about rotations and side out percentages. I'm not sure there are a lot who can. (to be clear, I think big ESPN could take this one but I don't think they really care to run their shows in such an analytical fashion) Is it possible to even have basic stuff like TA, K, E, and Attack %, similar to baseball batter stats shown? And/or maybe a 1 - 2 minute highlight reel and commentary after the 2nd set? |
|
|
|
Post by milkmandan on Nov 22, 2023 12:39:36 GMT -5
x
|
|
|
|
Post by mervinswerved on Nov 22, 2023 12:40:25 GMT -5
Speaking as a broadcaster, this is easier said than done. Getting access to that data isn't easy unless your crew is doing it live. We had started to play around with building rotations graphics in the 2019 season but COVID was a major shock to the sports broadcasting sector and a lot of operations got scaled back. You also need to have a color person who can talk about rotations and side out percentages. I'm not sure there are a lot who can. (to be clear, I think big ESPN could take this one but I don't think they really care to run their shows in such an analytical fashion) Is it possible to even have basic stuff like TA, K, E, and Attack %, similar to baseball batter stats shown? And/or maybe a 1 - 2 minute highlight reel and commentary after the 2nd set? That is a very normal thing already happening on a few dozen broadcasts every week. |
|
|
|
Post by milkmandan on Nov 22, 2023 12:41:11 GMT -5
Introduce more analytics into the broadcasts. Show each team's hitting and sideout percentage per rotation. Passing numbers. People will learn, they'll get it quicker than you think. Treat broadcasts like Volleyball 103 instead of 101. Speaking as a broadcaster, this is easier said than done. Getting access to that data isn't easy unless your crew is doing it live. We had started to play around with building rotations graphics in the 2019 season but COVID was a major shock to the sports broadcasting sector and a lot of operations got scaled back. You also need to have a color person who can talk about rotations and side out percentages. I'm not sure there are a lot who can. (to be clear, I think big ESPN could take this one but I don't think they really care to run their shows in such an analytical fashion) I understand there are challenges to this, but the end result would be for a better broadcast with a more-informed audience. If broadcasts could partner with VolleyMetrics for real-time data, it could be put into broadcasts just like all the new numbers that have popped up on MLB and NFL broadcasts recently. True shooting in NBA. All of sports broadcasts are more heavily influenced by real-time, in-game data. And yes, the quality of color analysts needs to drastically improve...and it will. Broadcasters will learn to give the numbers proper context and it will become a regular part of broadcasts. And it'll be seamless for the next generation of the sport's broadcasters who are currently 12 years old and will grow up watching it. It'd give Lauren Cook something else to talk about when her video feed goes down than reciting numbers off of StatBroadcast. Just because it'd be a rough go for a bit doesn't mean you shouldn't start. Producers just need to advocate for getting the data. ESPN gets it for the Final Four. |
|
|
|
Post by mervinswerved on Nov 22, 2023 12:45:40 GMT -5
Speaking as a broadcaster, this is easier said than done. Getting access to that data isn't easy unless your crew is doing it live. We had started to play around with building rotations graphics in the 2019 season but COVID was a major shock to the sports broadcasting sector and a lot of operations got scaled back. You also need to have a color person who can talk about rotations and side out percentages. I'm not sure there are a lot who can. (to be clear, I think big ESPN could take this one but I don't think they really care to run their shows in such an analytical fashion) I understand there are challenges to this, but the end result would be for a better broadcast with a more-informed audience. If broadcasts could partner with VolleyMetrics for real-time data, it could be put into broadcasts just like all the new numbers that have popped up on MLB and NFL broadcasts recently. True shooting in NBA. All of sports broadcasts are more heavily influenced by real-time, in-game data. And yes, the quality of color analysts needs to drastically improve...and it will. Broadcasters will learn to give the numbers proper context and it will become a regular part of broadcasts. And it'll be seamless for the next generation of the sport's broadcasters who are currently 12 years old and will grow up watching it. It'd give Lauren Cook something else to talk about when her video feed goes down than reciting numbers off of StatBroadcast. Just because it'd be a rough go for a bit doesn't mean you shouldn't start. Producers just need to advocate for getting the data. ESPN gets it for the Final Four. I agree with you but I don't think ESPN cares. At all. I can speak from experience how they want to run their shows and it isn't by discussing advanced stats. On a positive note I got to play with a real life big boy telestrator this season and it was *awesome.* |
|
|
|
Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 22, 2023 12:55:13 GMT -5
Speaking as a broadcaster, this is easier said than done. Getting access to that data isn't easy unless your crew is doing it live. We had started to play around with building rotations graphics in the 2019 season but COVID was a major shock to the sports broadcasting sector and a lot of operations got scaled back. You also need to have a color person who can talk about rotations and side out percentages. I'm not sure there are a lot who can. (to be clear, I think big ESPN could take this one but I don't think they really care to run their shows in such an analytical fashion) I understand there are challenges to this, but the end result would be for a better broadcast with a more-informed audience. If broadcasts could partner with VolleyMetrics for real-time data, it could be put into broadcasts just like all the new numbers that have popped up on MLB and NFL broadcasts recently. True shooting in NBA. All of sports broadcasts are more heavily influenced by real-time, in-game data. And yes, the quality of color analysts needs to drastically improve...and it will. Broadcasters will learn to give the numbers proper context and it will become a regular part of broadcasts. And it'll be seamless for the next generation of the sport's broadcasters who are currently 12 years old and will grow up watching it. It'd give Lauren Cook something else to talk about when her video feed goes down than reciting numbers off of StatBroadcast. Just because it'd be a rough go for a bit doesn't mean you shouldn't start. Producers just need to advocate for getting the data. ESPN gets it for the Final Four. scorekeepers that actually keep the score correct and don't lag 3-4 points behind both in arena and broadcast would be a good thing |
|
trojansc
Legend
All-VolleyTalk 1st Team (2023, 2022, 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017), All-VolleyTalk 2nd Team (2016), 2021, 2019 Fantasy League Champion, 2020 Fantasy League Runner Up, 2022 2nd Runner Up
Posts: 30,999 
|
Post by trojansc on Nov 22, 2023 13:04:03 GMT -5
I think the biggest thing that can happen to grow the sport quickly is for schools and conferences to work with networks in advance to schedule games made-for-TV like basketball does. I selfishly also want schedules more spread out as a fan. Not sure if it helps grow the sport. I want more weekday matches, Sunday night matches, matches all throughout Saturday (though I'm not sure that's good with football - maybe the non-power conferences dominate Saturdays?). |
|
|
|
Post by Wolfgang on Nov 22, 2023 13:29:32 GMT -5
It's complicated.
What is the one thing volleyball needs to get someone who never watched or followed volleyball to, all of a sudden, follow volleyball?
Probably nothing just like I've never seen NASCAR and it'll take absolutely nothing to get me to watch.
What is the one thing volleyball needs to get someone who sort of watched volleyball to, all of a sudden, follow volleyball on a more regular basis?
I don't know. Probably a Tonya Harding-Nancy Kerrigan thing where the sport gets media attention for all the wrong reasons.
What is the one thing volleyball needs to get someone who is a lapsed volleyball fan to, all of a sudden, feel rejuvenated and recapture that magic he once had with the sport?
This is me. And I have no idea. Probably nothing.
Although I'll tell you the one thing that got me to love the sport. Watching Caren Kemner in the 1988 and 1992 Olympics. My god...she was an impressive beast! Put volleyball on the map for me.
|
|
|
|
Post by huskerang74 on Nov 22, 2023 13:37:43 GMT -5
I'd change the formula for Title IX. Either make football not count or make it count for 1/2 or 1/3 or something like that. (And schools not allowed to cut women's sports in response to the formulas changing) In too many parts of the country, volleyball is considered a women's sport. There's hardly any boys' clubs nor is it even sponsored in a lot of state high schools!!!! Getting a new gender to play (and increasing subsequent interest in a whole group of players and their parents) is the single biggest thing we can do to grow the sport in the US imho. I agree with boys/mens volleyball. My son started playing his freshman year of high school and loves it. This year, he is playing club as well. He didn't care before... but now that he is playing, he'll sit down & watch the Huskers with me. |
|
|
|
Post by huskerang74 on Nov 22, 2023 13:44:32 GMT -5
I would do this by going against the norm and having a final 8 instead of a final 4. This year the semi-finals are on a Thursday, the finals on a Sunday. You could go with a Wednesday/Friday/Sunday deal, or even a Thursday/Friday/Sunday match instead and bring 8 teams instead of 4 to the final location. ESPN doesn't want volleyball on Friday or Saturday because, starting next year, the first round of the college football playoffs will be on Friday and Saturday of the VB Final Four weekend. Thus the move to Thursday-Sunday. On another subject: Speeding up replay, beside the obvious of better cameras, would be to have a dedicated Replay Official (I believe the SEC is doing that his year). The Replay Official can start looking at the replay before the coach even makes the challenge. That eliminates all the wasted time of the R2 listening to the coach, and explaining the challenge to about a half dozen different people at the scorer's table, before he/she start actually looking at the replay. Doesn't softball have a dedicated replay official? It also takes away the official having to change their mind... which shouldn't be a factor, but realistically probably is... |
|
|
|
Post by bigjohn043 on Nov 22, 2023 15:02:21 GMT -5
If you want to increase volleyball attendance and viewership, you need to convert more general sports fans. Most of those fans are frankly men. When you compare volleyball to basketball, volleyball is frankly a better product. It is more graceful. It compares much better to the mens game and is frankly more watchable than the mens game. The problem is that the average male sports fan understands basketball but doesn't understand volleyball. Even at my daughters club matches, I am amazed at the number of parents who watch a lot of volleyball but doesn't understand the rules. I think one thing you could do is to align football and volleyball schedules. If UCLA is playing Oregon in football, try to have the volleyball teams follow the same schedule. Have the volleyball game either before or after the football game. Market it to fans of both schools. The answer has got to be to draft off football rather than avoid it.... I don’t think it’s so much a matter of rules. The general rules of volleyball are fairly intuitive compared to some other sports (*football*), and can be picked up by someone who’s paying attention. As others have alluded to, I think the biggest thing holding the sport back is just that it’s just not been accessible for a long time. I remember when I started getting into the sport and could only really see the final four matches and had to keep up with results using schools’ athletic websites. Now that we’re seeing a larger number of matches air on premier networks (ESPN, Fox, etc.), there should be a bit more of a rise in interest. In addition to accessibility, we also have the matter of 1) commentary and 2) which matches are scheduled and broadcast. For the former, it doesn’t help the sport when the commentators provide nothing but surface level commentary that doesn’t really dive into the actual analysis of play. I know Nebraska Public Media did some stuff last season where they would have the Nebraska coaches “break down the plays” and talk through the positioning, the transition, etc. commentary like “she’s gonna EAT” doesn’t help people understand the nuances at work. Regarding scheduling, there need to be more high level matches played in pre-conference. While Minnesota’s schedule this season was a bit too ambitious, I appreciated that nearly every matchup was against a top team as I knew it would be a higher level of play regardless of the outcome. I also remember how in 2018, Nebraska and Florida opened their seasons against each other in a “rematch” of the national championship match the season before. I understand that big time teams will want to schedule some weaker opponents to that they can work through some things, but there need to be some banger matches in there as well. Additionally, there needs to be better scheduling of WHICH matches get airtime. I understand that networks will want to provide ample opportunities for each conference member and give them a few matches to be broadcast per year, but given how some teams draw higher number than others, they need to be willing to capitalize on that. The PAC 12 network has been particularly egregious with this, as several ranked matches in that conference haven’t even been televised this season but have been relegated to low quality streams. In sum, it’s just a matter of actually promoting the sport. Hopefully the start of the PVF can help with this, but they’re going to need to market the sh*t out of it and get people tuned in. I totally agree that broadly the rules are fine and that with more volleyball available to watch the sport will grow. But how do you make it grow faster? I don't think commentary really matters. We all know the commentary sometimes stinks because we all know volleyball. But the new fan will have no idea and high level commentary will probably just go over their head. I also don't think better match-ups will do much. Once again, we really care because we are big fans of the sport but the casual fan probably won't even know. And I would argue that volleyball has more high level match-ups than either mens or womens basketball for instance. I think the low hanging fruit is to turn a football fan of school X into a volleyball fan of school X. They are already sports fans. They already support the school. I think if we expose them they will get more interested. Schedule matches before or after a football game with maybe the same opponent. Offer free admission with a football ticket. Imagine a big football game on ESPN or ABC. How about a quick promo that following the game the same two teams will be playing volleyball on B1G Network or ESPN+. That would probably drive some viewership. And if people see the sport they are reasonably likely to at least support their team. |
|
money
Sophomore
Posts: 227
|
Post by money on Nov 22, 2023 15:22:33 GMT -5
which schools are the ones that want to move to Spring? name names. John Cook. The spring is the best idea no one wants to consider. |
|
|
|
Post by n00b on Nov 22, 2023 16:05:53 GMT -5
The spring is the best idea no one wants to consider. Sure. In isolation, it would be good for indoor women’s volleyball. But the spring schedule is already packed with other sports. There’s zero chance the NCAA would be willing to move it. Plus there are significant facility issues with increased overlap with basketball. It’s a non-starter. |
|
