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Post by g4lvolley on Aug 14, 2024 13:28:20 GMT -5
Roster photos are out!
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Post by slxpress on Aug 14, 2024 13:31:03 GMT -5
By large role you mean what? It was at best third on the priority list.
Money played a role in terms of future conference relevance, but monetarily Texas was going to be making money hand over fist regardless of conference affiliation. They’re leaving an extra $20 million per year on the table simply for giving up LHN before the contract expires. Not to mention they likely could have extorted even more from the Big 12 in their new contract for binding assurances to stay. It’s not the end all be all you’re making it out to be. If you’re convinced of it there’s nothing I’m going to say to change your mind, but it doesn’t make it any more true. What makes a huge difference is all the money going to the rest of the SEC schools, plus their giant football stadiums and big crowds. Texas is now in a conference with relatively rich athletic department peers, so the overall goals and vision for the future of college athletics is way more aligned. Conference riches is playing a huge role there. Please provide a link to support that is a fact. Everything Texas does is driven by revenue whether it be shor-term or long-term. I do not have a link. There has never been an article written that talks about what I’ve written here in the same way I’ve described it, because I’m not getting my information from articles. Also, this was a decision driven primarily - not exclusively, but primarily - by one man who had the power and influence to see it through. This was not an institution wide decision. It couldn’t be, because one of the chief elements that made the move so successful and so smooth was secrecy. It was paramount to keep it from influential elected officials, people associated with A&M, and by extension, anyone from the media. By the time the move was leaked by A&M officials to an A&M friendly reporter at the Houston Chronicle, the deal was fait accompli. That wouldn’t have been possible with a larger decision body. In fact, a primary reason no move with the Big 10 was pursued is because they insisted on a more transparent process, which ended those conversations at an extremely preliminary stage, whereas Greg Sankey was perfectly willing to negotiate in secrecy, to the point he excluded A&M from the conversations. So regardless of institutional inclinations to always be seeking higher revenues - which is true - it didn’t play the factor in this particular case you are assuming. |
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Post by horns1 on Aug 14, 2024 13:59:51 GMT -5
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Post by horns1 on Aug 14, 2024 14:02:26 GMT -5
Please provide a link to support that is a fact. Everything Texas does is driven by revenue whether it be shor-term or long-term. There has never been an article written that talks about what I’ve written here in the same way I’ve described it, because I’m not getting my information from articles. Also, this was a decision driven primarily - not exclusively, but primarily - by one man who had the power and influence to see it through. This was not an institution wide decision. It couldn’t be, because one of the chief elements that made the move so successful and so smooth was secrecy. It was paramount to keep it from influential elected officials, people associated with A&M, and by extension, anyone from the media. By the time the move was leaked by A&M officials to an A&M friendly reporter at the Houston Chronicle, the deal was fait accompli. That wouldn’t have been possible with a larger decision body. In fact, a primary reason no move with the Big 10 was pursued is because they insisted on a more transparent process, which ended those conversations at an extremely preliminary stage, whereas Greg Sankey was perfectly willing to negotiate in secrecy, to the point he excluded A&M from the conversations. So regardless of institutional inclinations to always be seeking higher revenues - which is true - it didn’t play the factor in this particular case you are assuming. Figures. Telling other posters they are wrong with their opinions when you can't provide a credible source for yours is weak sauce. |
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Post by horns1 on Aug 14, 2024 14:05:30 GMT -5
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Post by slxpress on Aug 14, 2024 14:09:06 GMT -5
I do not have a link. There has never been an article written that talks about what I’ve written here in the same way I’ve described it, because I’m not getting my information from articles. Also, this was a decision driven primarily - not exclusively, but primarily - by one man who had the power and influence to see it through. This was not an institution wide decision. It couldn’t be, because one of the chief elements that made the move so successful and so smooth was secrecy. It was paramount to keep it from influential elected officials, people associated with A&M, and by extension, anyone from the media. By the time the move was leaked by A&M officials to an A&M friendly reporter at the Houston Chronicle, the deal was fait accompli. That wouldn’t have been possible with a larger decision body. In fact, a primary reason no move with the Big 10 was pursued is because they insisted on a more transparent process, which ended those conversations at an extremely preliminary stage, whereas Greg Sankey was perfectly willing to negotiate in secrecy, to the point he excluded A&M from the conversations. So regardless of institutional inclinations to always be seeking higher revenues - which is true - it didn’t play the factor in this particular case you are assuming. Figures. Telling other posters they are wrong with their opinions when you can't provide a credible source for yours is weak sauce. I live every day hoping to one day receive your approval, so calling my behavior weak sauce really hurts me to the core. Maybe on a different occasion it will go differently. I can only hope so. In the mean time, I could hope for the application of common sense, but I don’t have a link for that, either. |
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Post by mln59 on Aug 14, 2024 14:26:50 GMT -5
you coming to the exhibition match?
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Post by slxpress on Aug 14, 2024 14:36:10 GMT -5
you coming to the exhibition match?
No. I have family coming in. My niece is making a pit stop for 5 days before she heads to Oregon for her last year. I’m picking her up from the airport in just a bit. I’ve made plans to see Nebraska play Oregon in Eugene in November. I’m very excited about that. My niece doesn’t play volleyball but she knows how passionate I am and she’s friends with some of the players. I’ll enjoy rooting against Nebraska regardless of the outcome. I’m hoping to be able to catch a feed from somewhere, at least. |
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Post by hornfanaustin on Aug 14, 2024 14:38:58 GMT -5
you coming to the exhibition match?
No. I have family coming in. My niece is making a pit stop for 5 days before she heads to Oregon for her last year. I’m picking her up from the airport in just a bit. I’ve made plans to see Nebraska play Oregon in Eugene in November. I’m very excited about that. My niece doesn’t play volleyball but she knows how passionate I am and she’s friends with some of the players. I’ll enjoy rooting against Nebraska regardless of the outcome. I’m hoping to be able to catch a feed from somewhere, at least. Hero |
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Post by hornfanaustin on Aug 14, 2024 14:41:01 GMT -5
I spy three practice courts in Gregory. Hmmm, but you have that nifty deluxe dual practice court buried deep inside the stadium?
But we have SO many players now, we need 3 courts for practice!
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Post by hookem1 on Aug 14, 2024 14:47:02 GMT -5
I spy three practice courts in Gregory. Hmmm, but you have that nifty deluxe dual practice court buried deep inside the stadium?
But we have SO many players now, we need 3 courts for practice!
Plus Jerritt likes practicing in Gregory since it’s where the games are, and they alternate setups between the three courts and then setting up the net in the center of the gym like it is on game day to emulate that. |
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Post by horns1 on Aug 14, 2024 14:49:38 GMT -5
Figures. Telling other posters they are wrong with their opinions when you can't provide a credible source for yours is weak sauce. I live every day hoping to one day receive your approval, so calling my behavior weak sauce really hurts me to the core. Maybe on a different occasion it will go differently. I can only hope so. In the mean time, I could hope for the application of common sense, but I don’t have a link for that, either. Bottom line is you can't support your statements. You enjoy telling other posters they are wrong or that their opinions are "laughable". Money drives Texas' decisions; always has been that way, will always be that way. You don't have to write a thesis to simply say you have no way of supporting your statements as facts. |
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Post by dodger on Aug 14, 2024 14:50:53 GMT -5
Figures. Telling other posters they are wrong with their opinions when you can't provide a credible source for yours is weak sauce. I live every day hoping to one day receive your approval, so calling my behavior weak sauce really hurts me to the core. Maybe on a different occasion it will go differently. I can only hope so. In the mean time, I could hope for the application of common sense, but I don’t have a link for that, either. What part of this discussion is “common sense”? To the general public it was mostly about money. All the reports talked about “how much money” the change of conference will make. So “common sense” it would appear is that a major reason is money$$$. Of course other factors for any school making the switch are important but it is mostly “money” . Whether it is now many, next year money or future potential it is money. The politics of getting the move done is irrelevant to previous posters point. Show me the money the major reason. Winning equals more money: a conference winning the most championships, equals most money. There’s no link for common sense for sure!!! |
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Post by horns1 on Aug 14, 2024 14:54:08 GMT -5
I live every day hoping to one day receive your approval, so calling my behavior weak sauce really hurts me to the core. Maybe on a different occasion it will go differently. I can only hope so. In the mean time, I could hope for the application of common sense, but I don’t have a link for that, either. What part of this discussion is “common sense”? To the general public it was mostly about money. All the reports talked about “how much money” the change of conference will make. So “common sense” it would appear is that a major reason is money$$$. Of course other factors for any school making the switch are important but it is mostly “money” . Whether it is now many, next year money or future potential it is money. The politics of getting the move done is irrelevant to previous posters point. Show me the money the major reason. Winning equals more money: a conference winning the most championships, equals most money. There’s no link for common sense for sure!!! Exactly. The money from LHN kept Texas ahead of OU and A&M, so staying in the Big 12 was the decision made. Once the writing was on the wall that the SEC schools (including A&M) would eventually surpass Texas in (media) revenue, it became obvious Texas would have to leave the Big 12 and join the SEC. |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 14, 2024 15:17:53 GMT -5
I live every day hoping to one day receive your approval, so calling my behavior weak sauce really hurts me to the core. Maybe on a different occasion it will go differently. I can only hope so. In the mean time, I could hope for the application of common sense, but I don’t have a link for that, either. What part of this discussion is “common sense”? To the general public it was mostly about money. All the reports talked about “how much money” the change of conference will make. So “common sense” it would appear is that a major reason is money$$$. Of course other factors for any school making the switch are important but it is mostly “money” . Whether it is now many, next year money or future potential it is money. The politics of getting the move done is irrelevant to previous posters point. Show me the money the major reason. Winning equals more money: a conference winning the most championships, equals most money. There’s no link for common sense for sure!!! The common sense part is how secret the deliberations were. No one knew anything - including the Aggies - until the deal was pretty much done. That doesn't happen without a very tight circle being involved in all the negotiations on both sides of the fence. Everyone understood - no one moreso than Eltife - that the deal could be torpedoed in a thousand ways if it become public too soon. Look to what happened when A&M and Texas wanted to head to the Big 12. Now, there's a bit of a difference in that Texas Tech and Baylor had way more power in the legislature at the time, but it's also a fact that A&M was on board for the move to the Big 12 in ways they would have helped to sabotage things this go around. Not to the extent they'd be willing to sacrifice the PUF, but to the extent they'd certainly be willing to support using it as a threat to keep UT from joining the SEC. That tight circle was not talking amongst one another about how Texas needed to make this move to increase revenue. This was a seismic change with a lot of risks involved. Even the pursuit of additional revenue wasn't going to be enough to move forward in this manner. This was going way out on a tree limb. The reason they did it was an overwhelming feeling among all stakeholders that it was critical that this happened. The future of college athletics was with the Big 10 and the SEC in ways it simply wasn't with the Big 12. A change had to be made sooner or later. Better to do it as much as possible on UT's terms rather than waiting for a more desperate circumstance with less room to maneuver. And yes, the huge TV deals had an impact, but not in terms of the difference in revenue it represented for Texas. It was simply the market signaling the gulf in value in a very measurable way between the value of the Big 10 and the SEC in ways that were going to reverberate in college athletics from now on, and Texas wanted to be on the winning side of that equation. All I can say is that I've read the same talking heads write their articles and spout their opinions that it's always been about the money, but they're all taking the easy way out by saying so. When Arkansas left the SWC for the SEC, it was absolutely all about the money. But when A&M left for the SEC, it was way more about severing ties with UT to go out and create their own identity. OU heading to the SEC is about tying themselves at the hip to Texas. Yes, it's going to be more money for them, but OU for a decade or more has been practically begging to go to the Big 10, primarily led by former president and senator David Boren. Throughout it all, though, the consistent message given to UT people from OU is that where you go, we go. College athletics is in an existential state. It's not clear what the future of any of this is going to look like. I can tell you without a doubt it cannot continue to exist the way it is now. There are going to be massive changes coming down the pike, and it's not clear what they're going to be or from what direction they'll be delivered. What I do know is that the programs in the Big 10 and the SEC are in way better of a position to survive whatever happens than the schools in any other conference. Yes, that's partly about money, and certainly about the market value of those entities. But the specific payout to Texas isn't as important as the overall value of the conference affiliation, and the fact that because of the market value, they're now in an association with a bunch of schools who can afford to think similarly about the future of college athletics in ways fellow Big 12 schools could not afford to. But I can't point you to a link with those thoughts. You have to come to that realization on your own. And if you don't come to that realization, and keep insisting on spouting the simple mantra, "it's all about the money!" then I can't help you. Have at it. You have no obligation to believe anything I have to say, and I have no obligation - or desire, really - to convince you I'm right. I am on this message board for entertainment. Not to proselytize. It just so happens that I'm passionate about these issues and I happen to have access about some of this that other people don't have, so I'm sharing a little of it. But I don't think you have to have access to the same conversations I've been privy to in order to understand it makes sense. |
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