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Post by buckeyedoc on Nov 29, 2023 9:48:54 GMT -5
Hallo. Anyone know when 3rd and 4th round time/date are announced? Don't want to miss Louisville/Pitt '23 part III ! (assuming they both get there) tyia
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Post by n00b on Nov 29, 2023 10:21:27 GMT -5
Hallo. Anyone know when 3rd and 4th round time/date are announced? Don't want to miss Louisville/Pitt '23 part III ! (assuming they both get there) tyia Sunday after the regional matchups are finalized. Last year, the official announcement came a little after 10:30am ET. |
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Post by n00b on Nov 29, 2023 10:27:38 GMT -5
buckeyedoc the dates are set though. Regional semifinals are on Thursday 12/7, earliest match at 12pm, last match at 11:30pm. Regional finals are on Saturday 12/9 at 4pm, 6pm, 8pm, 10pm.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Nov 29, 2023 19:11:20 GMT -5
trojansc Thanks for the dialogue yesterday, I appreciate all of the points that were made. I was obviously way too entertained playing devil's advocate on behalf of the committee, which is where there seems to be the most discourse (particularly around criteria/selection standards). After reading and re-reading many of your posts, I'm grasping more that in comparison to previous years the KSU/SFA situation appears to be a big atrocity. I feel like I was looking at this year's selection incredibly independently, meaning not considering standards set by previous committees, which I realized once I slowed down to comprehend that. I guess therein lies the problem of consistency in tournament selections, which is what got us to where we are today with the bracket. When criteria is left up to interpretation, there is always going to be discrepancies in how it is interpreted, especially if there is changing committees from season to season and no defining guideline for them. And there is no real transparency with how these things do get interpreted, so my comments for SFA were related to how I think the criteria could have been interpreted that would justify their inclusion (which is how I began to ignore previous interpretations). And I still do think there are ways to look at the criteria that give sense to SFA's and KSU's independent situations; but also want to acknowledge that I understand interpretations that don't side with the selections and how that is more consistent with the history of the tournament. I am not sure what a solution for comparing teams more accurately is if RPI stays at the core of the process. Or particularly how to not let RPI influence selection as heavily, given that it is an imperfect system. However, invalidating RPI as it is also has a similar effect towards RPI wins/losses, SOS, etc. because those are all influenced by RPI. I do still struggle to understand how the system could be so imperfect that it leads to such a big gap in RPI between SFA and KSU. It was stated that SFA should have scheduled tougher if they wanted to make it in to the tourney, but I don't see how that doesn't also apply to KSU as well in relation to their RPI. I understand the "if they have played x instead of y" situations, but if playing against teams with losing records (regardless of RPI) hurts your RPI, then there lies some responsibility on their scheduling as well. Anyways, I hope I didn't give you as much of a headache as I gave myself trying to make sense out of all of this. I really appreciate all of the insight you share trojansc, and learned a lot by you letting me push a little.
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Post by tablealgebra on Dec 4, 2023 13:53:39 GMT -5
The NCAA Football committee has shown us that there are worse things than RPI. I must admit I am stunned.
My apologies to Holly Strauss-O'Brien for all the slander I've sent this committee's way.
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Post by VballObssessed on Dec 6, 2023 22:10:50 GMT -5
The NCAA Football committee has shown us that there are worse things than RPI. I must admit I am stunned. My apologies to Holly Strauss-O'Brien for all the slander I've sent this committee's way. I don’t. Holly and her committee deserved it. |
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Post by n00b on Dec 6, 2023 22:25:19 GMT -5
The NCAA Football committee has shown us that there are worse things than RPI. I must admit I am stunned. My apologies to Holly Strauss-O'Brien for all the slander I've sent this committee's way. Yes and no. The bigger issue is the system of a 4-team playoff in a division with 133 teams and five major conferences. Thankfully, it's the last year of that. |
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 7, 2023 9:51:54 GMT -5
The NCAA Football committee has shown us that there are worse things than RPI. I must admit I am stunned. My apologies to Holly Strauss-O'Brien for all the slander I've sent this committee's way. Yes and no. The bigger issue is the system of a 4-team playoff in a division with 133 teams and five major conferences. Thankfully, it's the last year of that. That is an issue, but that doesn't absolve the committee from what they did. It's not like there were five undefeated P5 champions or four undefeated P5 champions and an undefeated Notre Dame. If that was the case, then someone has to get left out, and it's appropriate to blame the system for being inadequate like the BCS was in 2004 when Auburn got left out. All the committee had to do was leave the SEC out, but that is anathema to them apparently. |
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Post by knapplc on Dec 7, 2023 9:55:44 GMT -5
They were never going to leave the SEC out. If it wasn't the injury, they'd have foisted off some other excuse.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 7, 2023 10:18:55 GMT -5
They were never going to leave the SEC out. If it wasn't the injury, they'd have foisted off some other excuse. In retrospect, I agree. But they had to ignore years of precedent to get the SEC in. The SEC had a secret auto-bid that no one else has. And the funny thing is, the SEC wasn't even that good this year. Their best non-conference wins are like Kentucky over Louisville and Missouri over Kansas State. Getting back to volleyball, I agree that while that committee made some mistakes, it's nowhere near as bad as what the CFP committee did. |
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