Olympic Beach Volleyball Rankings, updated 3/9, Men

[dunninla3]

table updated 3/9 after Doha.  Remarks to be updated soon.

Please don't quote this post in full as I will be editing for any errors anybody points out.

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Olympic beach Volleyball Rankings, updated March 9.
Men's Top 25, by Top 9 finishes.

Thought it a good idea to preempt the misleading article we usually find under this title, and replace it with actually useful information. Perhaps they will just copy/paste this post into the VBM website.

I used the FIVB World Ranking list of Top 8, fivb.12ndr.at/olympic-ranking/men as well at Across the Pond's Top 9 listing here fivb.12ndr.at/olympic-ranking/men

I compiled the below rank order manually, doing some of the sums in my head, so there are undoubtedly some errors, feel free to correct.

To account for teams that do not have 9 finishes, I made the assumption that the worst they will finish in playing tournaments 8 and 9, or 9, as needed, is to add points that match their worst finish of the season.

The team to watch, a team closing quickly, is the Dutch team of Boermans/De Groot.

Men's Rankings, Top 9 finishes / Lowest finish among Top 9

1. NOR, Mol / Sorum,  9860, 960
2. SWE, Åhman / Hellvig,  9260, 760
3. CZE, Perusic / Schweiner,  8380 (7780 + 600)
-- note: (have played only 8, assumes 9th finish will equal lowest counting)
4. USA1, Benesh / Partain,  7500, (6900 + 600)
-- note: (have played only 8, assumes 9th finish will equal lowest counting)
5. GER, Ehlers / Wickler,  7440, 600
6. BRA1, George / Andre,  7120, 600

7. ITA1, Cottafava / Nicolai,  7280, 600

8. NED1, Boermans / De Groot,  7140, (6540 + 600)

-- note: (have played only 8, assumes 9th finish will equal lowest counting)

9. POL, Bryl / Losiak,  7080, 600

10. NED2, Brouwer / Meeuwsen,  6640, 600
11. BRA2, Evandro / Arthur,  6540, 600
12. ITA2, Ranghieri / Carambula,  6460, 400
-- note: (have played only 7, assumes 8th and 9th finishes will equal lowest counting)

13. QAT, Cherif / Ahmed,  6140 , 600

14. AUS1, Hodges / Schubert, 6120, 460x2

15. ESP, Herrera / Gavira, 6120, 600

xx. NED3, Immers / Child Rapist, 5960, 400 

16. USA2, Brunner / Crabb, 5940, 460x2

17. AUT, Hörl / Horst. 5740, 460
xx. BRA3, Pedro / Guto, 5620, 340

xx. USA3, Budinger / Evans, 5610, 460x3

18. CHI, Grimalt / Grimalt, 5360, 340

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19. AUT2, Seidl / Pristauz, 5280, 400
xx. BRA4, Renato / Vitor Felipe, 5240, 400
xx. USA4, Schalk / Bourne, 5100, 460
20. POL2, Kantor / Zdybak, 4980, 460

xx. ITA3, Lupo / Rossi, 5020, 400x1

21. NOR2, MolH, / Berntsen, 4720, 300

22. CAN, Schachter / Dearing, 4660, 340

23. AUS2, McHugh / Burnett, 4560, 460, 220
24. UKR, Popov / Reznik, 4440, (4100 + 340)
-- note: (have played only 8, assumes 9th finish will equal lowest counting)
25. FRA, Krou / Gauthier-Rat, 4420,160


Since the World Champion team is included in this list, the last qualifier on Points will be the team 18th in the rankings rather than 17th.

Brunner/Crabb seem to be in a solid position against everyone except for USA3 and USA4. It would not be out of the question for USA3 to get hot and surpass Brunner/Crabb if USA2 go cold. USA3 has about eight tournaments in which to do so, including in Nuvila, Philippines in two weeks. 

Assuming Brunner/Crabb retain USA2 position, then --

Even if teams #16, 17, 18 should pass USA2, and USA2 moves to #18, in order to slip to #19 and miss the qualifying points/ranking cutoff, one of the two teams currently with 4840 points, or NOR2 with 4720, would have to pass them. That's a tall order, around 1000 points, but you never know if USA2, USA3 and USA4 all go cold, and one of those three teams with 4840 or 4720 gets hot, it could happen.

It's looking then more and more like Schacter/Dearing might not have to face a USA2 team in the NORCECA Olympic zone qualifying tournament next June. But they'd still have to face Cuba.

I started noticing Hodges last year, and thought, well, now there's a new player who is going places.  And it's worked out that way.  I like his aggressive approach to attack and serve, fun to watch.  Glad he and Schubert are now AUS1 and within the top 18.

[acrossthepond]

Nov 26, 2023 15:01:50 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

*edit* these rankings now include the men's Finals results.

Please don't quote this post in full as I will be editing for any errors anybody points out.

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Olympic beach Volleyball Rankings, updated November 27
Men's Top 25, by Top 9 finishes.

Thought it a good idea to preempt the misleading article we usually find under this title, and replace it with actually useful information. Perhaps they will just copy/paste this post into the VBM website.

I used the FIVB World Ranking list of Top 8, fivb.12ndr.at/olympic-ranking/men as well at Across the Pond's Top 9 listing here fivb.12ndr.at/olympic-ranking/men

I compiled the below rank order manually, doing some of the sums in my head, so there are undoubtedly some errors, feel free to correct.

To account for teams that do not have 9 finishes, I made the assumption that the worst they will finish in playing tournaments 8 and 9, or 9, as needed, is to add points that match their worst finish of the season.

The team to watch, a team closing quickly, is the Dutch team of Boermans/De Groot.

Men's Rankings, Top 9 finishes / Lowest finish among Top 9

Great work.

The 9th best result from Brunner/Crabb are 460 points (not 600 according to your list). The 9th best result of Immers/vdv is 340 points. I didn't check the others, but those 2 seemed somewhat wrong to me.

I think the Grimalts will have to improve their points somewhat, but they are struggling a bit since summer 2023. They benefited in the spring from automatic Main Draw berth at Elites, whereas now they wouldn't even make the quali in a semi-full field. Their 1484 entry points are a problem (as are their performances). So I really do see a scenario for the steady Poles and the up-and-down Austria2 team to challenge them hard. I don't really see a push from any of the other teams.

[cribbit]

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[dunninla3]

Nov 27, 2023 9:42:30 GMT -5 cribbit said:

Says please don't quote the whole post

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, yet he made up for it with two useful corrections.  I also found three additional small corrections.

[jhw]

I'm surprised to see how high up Brouwer / Meeuwsen are. Definitely have a good history but I haven't noticed them near the top this year.

[acrossthepond]

Nov 27, 2023 9:42:30 GMT -5 cribbit said:

Says please don't quote the whole post

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Haha, sorry guys!

[dunninla3]

points for top 25 updated to include Nuvali, Philippines results.

Changes to:

AUS1

AUT2

ITA3

ESP

USA3

POL2

ITA3 has increased its total but not really relevant considering the gap to ITA1 and ITA2

AUS1 and ESP have moved up the rankings to share spot 13, and both seems to be in a great position for Paris, unless the wheels fall off the rest of the way.

USA3 has closed the gap to USA2 considerably.  USA2 should be concerned and should stop skipping events that make this easy for USA3 to do.

AUT2 has closed some distance to USA2 for spot 16, AUT1 for spot 17, and to CHI for spot 18.  I'd put my money on AUT2 eventually surpassing CHI for spot 18.

[dunninla3]

As Doha moves into Final 12 play, there are some changes already to the Top 9 finishes leader board.

USA: 

USA2, Treo, has advanced out of Pool, picking up minimum 600, replacing a low counter of 460, for a new minimum total of 5960. USA3, Mudinger, falls further behind as they do not advance out of Pool, remaining at 5610.  Not out of it yet, but the distance to USA2 has increased. USA4, Tri/Chaim, failed to advance out of Qualis, and gain no points in Doha, leaving them at 5100. Technically not out of it yet, but they would have to significantly outplay both USA2 and USA3 going forward to get a Paris spot. Chance of that, having seen their play in Doha? At best 10%. But, that's why they play 'em. Odds don't win anything.  Finally, the fact that Treo drew NED3 for their round of 12 game tomorrow means they have the easiest path they could have imagined.  50/50 to get to Quarters and pick up another 160 points... Assuming they keep the serve on Immers.

NED:

NED2, Boermans/De Groot, which I feel is the strongest NED team, has just passed NED1, Brouwer/Meeuwsen, in Top 9 finish points. NED2 will pick up minimum 760 for this, their eighth finish. This gives them minimum 6200 for 8 finishes, and assuming 600 points for their next E16 by just breaking Pool, gives them a new total of 6800 for Top 9. That puts them ahead of NED1, which also advanced out of Pool but already has 600 as their minimum counter, thus they gain no points unless they win their Rd. of 12 game, and remain at 6640 for the moment.  At the same time, NED3 picks up 260 points minimum by replacing a 340 counter with 600 for breaking Pool, putting them at minimum 5760... a little more than 800 points behind NEDs 1 and 2.

That all 3 NED teams advance to round of 12 is testament to how strong their program currently is.

[blackmambabeto]

Mar 7, 2024 13:46:21 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

As Doha moves into Final 12 play, there are some changes already to the Top 9 finishes leader board.

USA: 

USA2, Treo, has advanced out of Pool, picking up minimum 600, replacing a low counter of 460, for a new minimum total of 5960. USA3, Mudinger, falls further behind as they do not advance out of Pool, remaining at 5610.  Not out of it yet, but the distance to USA2 has increased. USA4, Tri/Chaim, failed to advance out of Qualis, and gain no points in Doha, leaving them at 5100. Technically not out of it yet, but they would have to significantly outplay both USA2 and USA3 going forward to get a Paris spot. Chance of that, having seen their play in Doha? At best 10%. But, that's why they play 'em. Odds don't win anything.  Finally, the fact that Treo drew NED3 for their round of 12 game tomorrow means they have is the easiest path they could have imagined.  50/50 to get to Quarters and pick up another 160 points... Assuming they keep the serve on Immers.

NED:

NED2, Boermans/De Groot, which I feel is the strongest NED team, has just passed NED1, Brouwer/Meeuwsen, in Top 9 finish points. NED2 will pick up minimum 760 for this, their eighth finish. This gives them minimum 6200 for 8 finishes, and assuming 600 points for their next E16 by just breaking Pool, gives them a new total of 6800 for Top 9. That puts them ahead of NED1, which also advanced out of Pool but already has 600 as their minimum counter, thus they gain no points unless they win their Rd. of 12 game, and remain at 6640 for the moment.  At the same time, NED3 picks up 260 points minimum by replacing a 340 counter with 600 for breaking Pool, putting them at minimum 5760... a little more than 800 points behind NEDs 1 and 2.

That all 3 NED teams advance to round of 12 is testament to how strong their program currently is.

thanks thanks

[dunninla3]

Mar 7, 2024 15:40:08 GMT -5 blackmambabeto said:

Mar 7, 2024 13:46:21 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

As Doha moves into Final 12 play, there are some changes already to the Top 9 finishes leader board.

thanks thanks

fours up, fours up

[guest2]

Mar 7, 2024 13:46:21 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

As Doha moves into Final 12 play, there are some changes already to the Top 9 finishes leader board.

USA: 

USA2, Treo, has advanced out of Pool, picking up minimum 600, replacing a low counter of 460, for a new minimum total of 5960. USA3, Mudinger, falls further behind as they do not advance out of Pool, remaining at 5610.  Not out of it yet, but the distance to USA2 has increased. USA4, Tri/Chaim, failed to advance out of Qualis, and gain no points in Doha, leaving them at 5100. Technically not out of it yet, but they would have to significantly outplay both USA2 and USA3 going forward to get a Paris spot. Chance of that, having seen their play in Doha? At best 10%. But, that's why they play 'em. Odds don't win anything

NED:

NED2, Boermans/De Groot, which I feel is the strongest NED team, has just passed NED1, Brouwer/Meeuwsen, in Top 9 finish points. NED2 will pick up minimum 760 for this, their eighth finish. This gives them minimum 6200 for 8 finishes, and assuming 600 points for their next E16 by just breaking Pool, gives them a new total of 6800 for Top 9. That puts them ahead of NED1, which also advanced out of Pool but already has 600 as their minimum counter, thus they gain no points unless they win their Rd. of 12 game, and remain at 6640 for the moment.  At the same time, NED3 picks up 260 points minimum by replacing a 340 counter with 600 for breaking Pool, putting them at minimum 5760... a little more than 800 points behind NEDs 1 and 2.

That all 3 NED teams advance to round of 12 is testament to how strong their program currently is.

I think you are a little generous here. I would say, from a statistical standpoint, Cri are done. The only way they qualify is if they transmorgrify into the Vikings, and they would probably need to be the Vikings from 3 years ago. Coffin nailed shut, dirt filled in, grass growing on the grave.

Same with the child rapist. Brouwer/Meuwssen are 1000 points ahead in best 9, that gap isn't closing. Boerman/De Groot have only played 7, but their average is 200 points higher than Ned 3. This race is also over. (those figures were from pre-Doha I believe.)

[dunninla3]

Mar 9, 2024 20:06:10 GMT -5 guest2 said:

Mar 7, 2024 13:46:21 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

As Doha moves into Final 12 play, there are some changes already to the Top 9 finishes leader board.

USA: 

USA2, Treo, has advanced out of Pool, picking up minimum 600, replacing a low counter of 460, for a new minimum total of 5960. USA3, Mudinger, falls further behind as they do not advance out of Pool, remaining at 5610.  Not out of it yet, but the distance to USA2 has increased. USA4, Tri/Chaim, failed to advance out of Qualis, and gain no points in Doha, leaving them at 5100. Technically not out of it yet, but they would have to significantly outplay both USA2 and USA3 going forward to get a Paris spot. Chance of that, having seen their play in Doha? At best 10%. But, that's why they play 'em. Odds don't win anything

NED:

NED2, Boermans/De Groot, which I feel is the strongest NED team, has just passed NED1, Brouwer/Meeuwsen, in Top 9 finish points. NED2 will pick up minimum 760 for this, their eighth finish. This gives them minimum 6200 for 8 finishes, and assuming 600 points for their next E16 by just breaking Pool, gives them a new total of 6800 for Top 9. That puts them ahead of NED1, which also advanced out of Pool but already has 600 as their minimum counter, thus they gain no points unless they win their Rd. of 12 game, and remain at 6640 for the moment.  At the same time, NED3 picks up 260 points minimum by replacing a 340 counter with 600 for breaking Pool, putting them at minimum 5760... a little more than 800 points behind NEDs 1 and 2.

That all 3 NED teams advance to round of 12 is testament to how strong their program currently is.

I think you are a little generous here. I would say, from a statistical standpoint, Cri are done. The only way they qualify is if they transmorgrify into the Vikings, and they would probably need to be the Vikings from 3 years ago. Coffin nailed shut, dirt filled in, grass growing on the grave.

Same with the child rapist. Brouwer/Meuwssen are 1000 points ahead in best 9, that gap isn't closing. Boerman/De Groot have only played 7, but their average is 200 points higher than Ned 3. This race is also over. (those figures were from pre-Doha I believe.)

re: NED3:  perhaps Doha was a positive finish outlier for NED3, but they looked good.  Their first next good finish, which could be in two weeks, replaces a 400, so those are cheap points in the chase.  I have no confidence that Brouwer/Meeuwsen will have any high finishes going into Paris.  They really are just clinging to Top 10 status.

So looking at it that way, the next time NED3 get 600 points, which is either Challenge 5th place or E16 12th place, their top 9 moves up to 6160, which is only 480 points shy of NED2 Brouwer/Meeuwsen.  Then, suppose in a Challenge event they get Silver.  That would put them at 6420, just 220 points shy of NED2 unless Brouwer/Meeuwsen make Quarterfinals at an E16.

If I'm Brouwer/Meeuwsen, I enter every event NED3 is entered into, including, nay, especially, Challenge events where points are cheap, just to make it harder for NED3 to pass me.

If NED2 doesn't do that, I see it as 30/70 that NED3 passes NED2.

[guest2]

Mar 9, 2024 20:20:54 GMT -5 dunninla3 said:

Mar 9, 2024 20:06:10 GMT -5 guest2 said:

I think you are a little generous here. I would say, from a statistical standpoint, Cri are done. The only way they qualify is if they transmorgrify into the Vikings, and they would probably need to be the Vikings from 3 years ago. Coffin nailed shut, dirt filled in, grass growing on the grave.

Same with the child rapist. Brouwer/Meuwssen are 1000 points ahead in best 9, that gap isn't closing. Boerman/De Groot have only played 7, but their average is 200 points higher than Ned 3. This race is also over. (those figures were from pre-Doha I believe.)

re: NED3:  perhaps Doha was a positive finish outlier for NED3, but they looked good.  Their first next good finish, which could be in two weeks, replaces a 400, so those are cheap points in the chase.  I have no confidence that Brouwer/Meeuwsen will have any high finishes going into Paris.  They really are just clinging to Top 10 status.

So looking at it that way, the next time NED3 get 600 points, which is either Challenge 5th place or E16 12th place, their top 9 moves up to 6160, which is only 480 points shy of NED2 Brouwer/Meeuwsen.  Then, suppose in a Challenge event they get Silver.  That would put them at 6420, just 220 points shy of NED2 unless Brouwer/Meeuwsen make Quarterfinals at an E16.

If I'm Brouwer/Meeuwsen, I enter every event NED3 is entered into, including, nay, especially, Challenge events where points are cheap, just to make it harder for NED3 to pass me.

If NED2 doesn't do that, I see it as 30/70 that NED3 passes NED2.

Hard to comment on their play, since I won't watch that team, but Brouwer/Meeuwsen have an average finish of 140 pts higher than the rapist. In fact, B/M are only 13 pts behind Cottafeva/Nicolai in average finish. (Thats pre-Doha I think). B/M also have more finishes of 380 or higher, have the single best finish (500) and haven't even bothered to play Challenges. Also there are certain countries that the rapist can't play in.

I think B/M have a little bit of a disadvantaged because they dont have any super low finishes to replace (one 230, everything else is a 300 or better), but hard to see them losing that huge advantage.

[dunninla3]

As far as races go on the Men's side, I've already commented above about USA1-3 and NED1-3.  Only thing people seem to forget is that Immers' partner finished Bronze at Worlds in 2022 with Varenhorst.  His is probably NED's 3rd best player behind Boermans and de Groot, and might just be able to carry Immers on his back to good finishes over the next three months.

AUS improved slightly, as did QAT. Not many bubble teams participated, but will do so in the back to back BRA Challenge events, then two weeks after those the Guadalajara, MX Challenge.

AUT1, AUT2, CHI, and POL2 are the four teams in the closest fight fighting for spots 17 and 18 in the qualification.  Possibly NOR2 as well.   It is worth watching as every finish counts with those four teams. My money is on the two AUTs come June.

[ajm]

I would have to think if the Grimalts are healthy and serious about trying to qualify, they’ll have little problem doing so. Last year they skipped all but one Challenger and were otherwise a bottom of the main draw Elite 16 team. So their point totals aren’t great. But they are signed up for all the early season Challengers this year, and I would favor them to get a couple podium finishes over either AUS team or POL2. Wouldn’t surprise me to see them end up in the 14-16 range by June 9.