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Post by sptimes2 on Jun 17, 2024 9:17:48 GMT -5
Ugh, so hard to be patient waiting for commitments, when our rivals keep announcing commitments. I know, last year we didn't get Stella/Olivia for at least another week or more, but still...
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Post by skolgophers on Jun 17, 2024 9:28:22 GMT -5
Ugh, so hard to be patient waiting for commitments, when our rivals keep announcing commitments. I know, last year we didn't get Stella/Olivia for at least another week or more, but still... Agreed. Especially when there are so many early commits.
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Post by VBallLife on Jun 17, 2024 9:42:41 GMT -5
Ugh, so hard to be patient waiting for commitments, when our rivals keep announcing commitments. I know, last year we didn't get Stella/Olivia for at least another week or more, but still... Agreed. Especially when there are so many early commits. Some kids want to actually visit and just not attend a camp to be sure the school they choose is the right fit. It’s a very big decision.
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Post by skolgophers on Jun 17, 2024 9:46:44 GMT -5
Agreed. Especially when there are so many early commits. Some kids want to actually visit and just not attend a camp to be sure the school they choose is the right fit. It’s a very big decision. Yup. Not saying they shouldn’t take their time and visit. But it seems to be the trend this year that many players already knew where they wanted to go before 6/15, hence the many day 1 commits. Will they regret that? Maybe, maybe not. It doesn’t make it any less stressful waiting and hoping for certain players to choose MN.
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Post by sptimes2 on Jun 17, 2024 10:09:15 GMT -5
Oops, sorry for starting this conversation in the Gopher 2024 thread. Meant to post it in the Futures thread.
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Post by VBallLife on Jun 17, 2024 11:37:17 GMT -5
Some kids want to actually visit and just not attend a camp to be sure the school they choose is the right fit. It’s a very big decision. Yup. Not saying they shouldn’t take their time and visit. But it seems to be the trend this year that many players already knew where they wanted to go before 6/15, hence the many day 1 commits. Will they regret that? Maybe, maybe not. It doesn’t make it any less stressful waiting and hoping for certain players to choose MN. I totally understand,the anticipation when others are landing kids at a fairly high clip with the recruiting period just opening up.
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Post by skolgophers on Jun 17, 2024 11:43:17 GMT -5
Yup. Not saying they shouldn’t take their time and visit. But it seems to be the trend this year that many players already knew where they wanted to go before 6/15, hence the many day 1 commits. Will they regret that? Maybe, maybe not. It doesn’t make it any less stressful waiting and hoping for certain players to choose MN. I totally understand,the anticipation when others are landing kids at a fairly high clip with the recruiting period just opening up. And TBH, I don’t think it should be that way, but it is the players decision ultimately and if they get an offer from their dream school, I don’t think it’s wrong to commit early either. I just think it may put more pressure on programs and other athletes to get things done quickly, which may lead to more transfers/decommits down the road. But with that being said, it makes it stressful on fans seeing these top recruits going quickly to rival schools, while we sit here and wait and wonder who and when.
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Post by mcmike on Jun 18, 2024 11:32:02 GMT -5
Who will be at the top of the B1G heap? Who has the advantage re their 3 HOME&HOME matches? MN h&H with WI OSU MI WI h&h with NE MN NW NE h&h with WI IL IA PSU h&h with MD MSU Pur (this is the softess, no?) Pur h&h with IN PSU Rut the 4 West coast team have H&H with each other In the one and done who gets to play the league's best at home vs their home?
ALL CAPS PLAY 2X home away Sep 25 (Wed) TBA WISCONSIN Sep 28 (Sat) TBA Purdue Oct 4 (Fri) TBA Away UCLA Oct 5 (Sat) TBA Away So. California Oct 11 (Fri) TBA Indiana Oct 12 (Sat) TBA Maryland Oct 18 (Fri) TBA Away Rutgers Oct 20 (Sun) TBA Away Penn State Oct 23 (Wed) TBA Northwestern Oct 27 (Sun) TBA Away OHIO STATE Nov 1 (Fri) TBA Away Michigan State Nov 3 (Sun) TBA Away MICHIGAN Nov 7 (Thu) TBA Washington Nov 9 (Sat) TBA Oregon Nov 14 (Thu) TBA Away Nebraska Nov 17 (Sun) TBA MICHIGAN Nov 20 (Wed) TBA Away WISCONSIN Nov 23 (Sat) TBA Iowa Nov 27 (Wed) TBA Away Illinois Nov 29 (Fri) TBA OHIO STATE
is there any edge to which W. Coast teams are met home or away?
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Post by slxpress on Jun 18, 2024 11:58:23 GMT -5
Agreed. Especially when there are so many early commits. Some kids want to actually visit and just not attend a camp to be sure the school they choose is the right fit. It’s a very big decision. I wish everyone took their time and went on multiple visits, but it’s not for me to decide. At the very least I wish it was a little more acceptable to change the decision if such early decisions are going to be made. This feels like the worst of both worlds. At least they’re waiting until before their junior year. It used to drive me nuts how early volleyball recruiting was conducted, and the only official visits were from girls who had already committed. I hated that. So…progress?
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 18, 2024 12:40:00 GMT -5
Some kids want to actually visit and just not attend a camp to be sure the school they choose is the right fit. It’s a very big decision. I wish everyone took their time and went on multiple visits, but it’s not for me to decide. At the very least I wish it was a little more acceptable to change the decision if such early decisions are going to be made. This feels like the worst of both worlds. At least they’re waiting until before their junior year. It used to drive me nuts how early volleyball recruiting was conducted, and the only official visits were from girls who had already committed. I hated that. So…progress? I know I'm in the minority, but I still think allowing college coaches to talk to kids early is better. Have the rule that no verbal commitment can be made until the athlete is a rising junior, like it is now, but allows kids to get to as many camps and see as many campuses as they can while knowing whether or not a school is interested in them. Hopefully the underlying pressure, of a few years ago, of having to make a quick decision has eased and kids are able to make informed decisions based on whatever criteria best suits them.
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Post by vbruh on Jun 18, 2024 12:54:07 GMT -5
I wish everyone took their time and went on multiple visits, but it’s not for me to decide. At the very least I wish it was a little more acceptable to change the decision if such early decisions are going to be made. This feels like the worst of both worlds. At least they’re waiting until before their junior year. It used to drive me nuts how early volleyball recruiting was conducted, and the only official visits were from girls who had already committed. I hated that. So…progress? I know I'm in the minority, but I still think allowing college coaches to talk to kids early is better. Have the rule that no verbal commitment can be made until the athlete is a rising junior, like it is now, but allows kids to get to as many camps and see as many campuses as they can while knowing whether or not a school is interested in them. Hopefully the underlying pressure, of a few years ago, of having to make a quick decision has eased and kids are able to make informed decisions based on whatever criteria best suits them. Having just gone through the process, I wrote to the NCAA last year, not that they listened... While the intent of the recruiting dates is to provide PSAs enough time to talk with coaches, visit campuses, and make an informed decision, the reality is different. Many top programs demand immediate commitments. The pressure is real–coaches need to prioritize recruits, and PSAs don’t want to miss an opportunity–and the result is hundreds of committed PSAs less than one month since contact date, all before any official visit occurs. AVCA/NCAA should adjust milestones to align with both school and PSA goals: 1. Permit coaches to contact PSAs without offers (there is precedent with ice hockey). 2. Close or eliminate the gap between contact and visits. 3. In short, change recruiting calendar: -August 15, 2024 First contact date, no offers allowed -September 1, 2024 First official visits, no offers allowed -October 1, 2024 Offers allowed With the new calendar, PSA benefits include: ● PSAs can now enjoy the remaining days of summer before high school begins. ● Official visits would occur when students are actually on campus, teams are playing meaningful matches, all providing a more realistic experience for PSAs. ● October offer date eliminates pressure PSAs feel to commit early. College program benefits include: ● Execute with more stable, sequential recruiting milestones. ● Shorter gap between contact and visit allows coaches to better decide if PSA is a fit for their program, prior to an offer. ● The compressed time frame between offer and commitment will likely result in more programs completing their recruiting earlier, which will impact other schools to prioritize their recruiting (the “domino effect”). ***A compromise would be to keep June 15 as first contact, allow immediate visits, but not allow scholarship offers until a later date (say, July 15 or Aug. 1).
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 18, 2024 13:14:28 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority, but I still think allowing college coaches to talk to kids early is better. Have the rule that no verbal commitment can be made until the athlete is a rising junior, like it is now, but allows kids to get to as many camps and see as many campuses as they can while knowing whether or not a school is interested in them. Hopefully the underlying pressure, of a few years ago, of having to make a quick decision has eased and kids are able to make informed decisions based on whatever criteria best suits them. Having just gone through the process, I wrote to the NCAA last year, not that they listened... While the intent of the recruiting dates is to provide PSAs enough time to talk with coaches, visit campuses, and make an informed decision, the reality is different. Many top programs demand immediate commitments. The pressure is real–coaches need to prioritize recruits, and PSAs don’t want to miss an opportunity–and the result is hundreds of committed PSAs less than one month since contact date, all before any official visit occurs. AVCA/NCAA should adjust milestones to align with both school and PSA goals: 1. Permit coaches to contact PSAs without offers (there is precedent with ice hockey). 2. Close or eliminate the gap between contact and visits. 3. In short, change recruiting calendar: -August 15, 2024 First contact date, no offers allowed -September 1, 2024 First official visits, no offers allowed -October 1, 2024 Offers allowed With the new calendar, PSA benefits include: ● PSAs can now enjoy the remaining days of summer before high school begins. ● Official visits would occur when students are actually on campus, teams are playing meaningful matches, all providing a more realistic experience for PSAs. ● October offer date eliminates pressure PSAs feel to commit early. College program benefits include: ● Execute with more stable, sequential recruiting milestones. ● Shorter gap between contact and visit allows coaches to better decide if PSA is a fit for their program, prior to an offer. ● The compressed time frame between offer and commitment will likely result in more programs completing their recruiting earlier, which will impact other schools to prioritize their recruiting (the “domino effect”). ***A compromise would be to keep June 15 as first contact, allow immediate visits, but not allow scholarship offers until a later date (say, July 15 or Aug. 1). THAT! My frustration was that it was easy (from my perspective) to see the ways in which the current set-up hurt, more than helped, athletes. It all could/should have been done differently.
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Post by slxpress on Jun 18, 2024 14:06:44 GMT -5
I wish everyone took their time and went on multiple visits, but it’s not for me to decide. At the very least I wish it was a little more acceptable to change the decision if such early decisions are going to be made. This feels like the worst of both worlds. At least they’re waiting until before their junior year. It used to drive me nuts how early volleyball recruiting was conducted, and the only official visits were from girls who had already committed. I hated that. So…progress? I know I'm in the minority, but I still think allowing college coaches to talk to kids early is better. Have the rule that no verbal commitment can be made until the athlete is a rising junior, like it is now, but allows kids to get to as many camps and see as many campuses as they can while knowing whether or not a school is interested in them. Hopefully the underlying pressure, of a few years ago, of having to make a quick decision has eased and kids are able to make informed decisions based on whatever criteria best suits them. You can’t make an enforceable rule regarding verbal commitments. The sentiment is nice, but it’s not a realistic possibility. Also, there’s not a realistic way to know for sure in every instance whether a school is legitimately interested or not. Recruiting involves a lot of gray areas by necessity. Unfortunately it’s up to the recruit and their support system to parse out where they are in the priority list, and sometimes that’s easier to do than other times. That’s not about volleyball recruiting. That’s just a facet of life. Sometimes we have to read between the lines and understand what the other person’s position is. Which can be difficult when we don’t have access to all the information.
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Post by gophergirl on Jun 18, 2024 14:22:13 GMT -5
Alright, I'm going through volleyball withdrawls so I'm going rewatch some old matches. What are everyone's favorite/most memorable? I'm particularly found of the back to back 5 set thrillers vs. Wisconsin and Nebraska in 2016. What about everyone else?
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Post by ladyfan on Jun 18, 2024 14:27:34 GMT -5
Any system that pushes student visits to (potentially) several school in the fall when they are in high school and probably playing for their school seems like a non-starter. A lot of volleyball players come out of private or religious schools that simply would not grant you that many absences. Double this for students hoping to graduate early. There’s a reason camps and visits are in the summer.
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