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Post by skolgophers on Jun 18, 2024 14:28:19 GMT -5
Any system that pushes student visits to (potentially) several school in the fall when they are in high school and probably playing for their school seems like a non-starter. A lot of volleyball players come out of private or religious schools that simply would not grant you that many absences. Double this for students hoping to graduate early. There’s a reason camps and visits are in the summer. Visits aren’t in the summer though. Usually happen in the fall during the season.
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Post by sptimes2 on Jun 18, 2024 14:28:57 GMT -5
Alright, I'm going through volleyball withdrawls so I'm going rewatch some old matches. What are everyone's favorite/most memorable? I'm particularly found of the back to back 5 set thrillers vs. Wisconsin and Nebraska in 2016. What about everyone else? Personally, I'm a big fan of the 2022 home win over Wisconsin. I know, it was a sweep, and the first 2 sets weren't super close, but I was there and it was so fun beating a hated rival. The 3rd set was electric as Bucky made it competitive, but Goldy finished it.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 18, 2024 14:29:27 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority, but I still think allowing college coaches to talk to kids early is better. Have the rule that no verbal commitment can be made until the athlete is a rising junior, like it is now, but allows kids to get to as many camps and see as many campuses as they can while knowing whether or not a school is interested in them. Hopefully the underlying pressure, of a few years ago, of having to make a quick decision has eased and kids are able to make informed decisions based on whatever criteria best suits them. You can’t make an enforceable rule regarding verbal commitments. The sentiment is nice, but it’s not a realistic possibility. Also, there’s not a realistic way to know for sure in every instance whether a school is legitimately interested or not. Recruiting involves a lot of gray areas by necessity. Unfortunately it’s up to the recruit and their support system to parse out where they are in the priority list, and sometimes that’s easier to do than other times. That’s not about volleyball recruiting. That’s just a facet of life. Sometimes we have to read between the lines and understand what the other person’s position is. Which can be difficult when we don’t have access to all the information. While true. I think you can make any public announcement of a verbal commitment before a certain time, an enforceable rule. Does this help anything? Maybe, maybe not, but being allowed to talk to coaches before your junior year was beneficial in our case. It allowed my daughter to go to the camps of significantly interested coaches and see their coaching styles as well as the campus in person. Not being able to talk to coaches until June 15th was detrimental and extremely stressful for friends of ours the following year as they had to field a lot of communication from coaches in a matter of days without the benefit of face to face interactions. Being allowed to talk to coaches as the athletes are growing up is a better way to go imo. There is no perfect way to go about this but I do think there's a better way than the current method. Then again, I've been out of the recruitment game for a while now so maybe everyone is fine with how it is, well everyone except vbruh.
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Post by skolgophers on Jun 18, 2024 14:30:21 GMT -5
Alright, I'm going through volleyball withdrawls so I'm going rewatch some old matches. What are everyone's favorite/most memorable? I'm particularly found of the back to back 5 set thrillers vs. Wisconsin and Nebraska in 2016. What about everyone else? Personally, I'm a big fan of the 2022 home win over Wisconsin. I know, it was a sweep, and the first 2 sets weren't super close, but I was there and it was so fun beating a hated rival. The 3rd set was electric as Bucky made it competitive, but Goldy finished it. The 2018 win against Wisconsin in the field house is on YouTube. Rettke destroyed us, but we won in 4. Probably the last time we won there.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 18, 2024 14:33:12 GMT -5
Any system that pushes student visits to (potentially) several school in the fall when they are in high school and probably playing for their school seems like a non-starter. A lot of volleyball players come out of private or religious schools that simply would not grant you that many absences. Double this for students hoping to graduate early. There’s a reason camps and visits are in the summer. Again, there's no perfect time to visit campuses when students are there. After High School season comes Club and not a lot of free weekends or opportunities to visit during that time. It's all a little messy and hopefully it can be cleaned up a bit. ANYHOO back to the Gophers!
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Post by babyhusker on Jun 18, 2024 14:39:43 GMT -5
Personally, I'm a big fan of the 2022 home win over Wisconsin. I know, it was a sweep, and the first 2 sets weren't super close, but I was there and it was so fun beating a hated rival. The 3rd set was electric as Bucky made it competitive, but Goldy finished it. The 2018 win against Wisconsin in the field house is on YouTube. Rettke destroyed us, but we won in 4. Probably the last time we won there. I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT OMG! I don’t think I’ve ever seen another match where a middle gets more than 50 swings and 30 kills but there was just something so special about how great their tempo was and how well SSS diversified the offense. Which was extra obvious next to Hilley and Rettke. What a great game omg
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Post by gopherhim on Jun 18, 2024 14:41:01 GMT -5
Alright, I'm going through volleyball withdrawls so I'm going rewatch some old matches. What are everyone's favorite/most memorable? I'm particularly found of the back to back 5 set thrillers vs. Wisconsin and Nebraska in 2016. What about everyone else? Personally, I'm a big fan of the 2022 home win over Wisconsin. I know, it was a sweep, and the first 2 sets weren't super close, but I was there and it was so fun beating a hated rival. The 3rd set was electric as Bucky made it competitive, but Goldy finished it. Yes! Even though the defending champs were still finding their footing with a new line up, there’s no asterisk. It was still a sweep of the defending champs and a rival. Super satisfying! I remember Mel having one of her dominant nights at the net. Blocking well and putting away overpasses with authority. That third set had me thinking oh god here comes Wisconsin will this be a long night? Mel ends it 29-27.
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Post by gopherhim on Jun 18, 2024 14:57:19 GMT -5
tommiesports.com/sports/wvball/schedule/2024Tommies released their full schedule. They will be in Green Bay as well. They don’t play North Dakota there since they’re in the same conference, but they play Chicago State and Green Bay at Green Bay and us at the Pav 10 days earlier. Hmm… Common opponents with the Tommies will be Iowa, Chicago State, Green Bay, and North Dakota x2. Another overlap I’ve noticed is that Indiana plays Chicago State as well. I’m not really sure how to phrase the question I have. Do any of these overlaps have a weird (negative?) effect on RPI potential?
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Post by slxpress on Jun 18, 2024 15:02:43 GMT -5
You can’t make an enforceable rule regarding verbal commitments. The sentiment is nice, but it’s not a realistic possibility. Also, there’s not a realistic way to know for sure in every instance whether a school is legitimately interested or not. Recruiting involves a lot of gray areas by necessity. Unfortunately it’s up to the recruit and their support system to parse out where they are in the priority list, and sometimes that’s easier to do than other times. That’s not about volleyball recruiting. That’s just a facet of life. Sometimes we have to read between the lines and understand what the other person’s position is. Which can be difficult when we don’t have access to all the information. While true. I think you can make any public announcement of a verbal commitment before a certain time, an enforceable rule. Does this help anything? Maybe, maybe not, but being allowed to talk to coaches before your junior year was beneficial in our case. It allowed my daughter to go to the camps of significantly interested coaches and see their coaching styles as well as the campus in person. Not being able to talk to coaches until June 15th was detrimental and extremely stressful for friends of ours the following year as they had to field a lot of communication from coaches in a matter of days without the benefit of face to face interactions. Being allowed to talk to coaches as the athletes are growing up is a better way to go imo. There is no perfect way to go about this but I do think there's a better way than the current method. Then again, I've been out of the recruitment game for a while now so maybe everyone is fine with how it is, well everyone except vbruh. I don’t see how an enforcement body can say anything about verbal commitments. It’s like the Baby Gronk thing going on in football right now (which I find somewhat exploitative by the marketing father). There’s a hypothetical ability to punish the coaches and institutions, but student athletes should be able to announce whatever verbal commitment they want to. In football schools have often issued “uncommitable offers” that players committed to, only to have to take it back when it became apparent the school wasn’t going to honor the commitment. I don’t want to pretend I have all the answers. I just know my strong preference is a system which gives the athletes the most options and the best opportunity to make the right choice for themselves. The coaches’ priority of bringing in the most talent to be the most competitive, win at the highest possible levels, and ultimately be successful in their profession and keep their jobs, is often in conflict with what’s best for the students. There’s going to be some level of pressure and obfuscation regardless. I just think a longer process that starts at a later period in athletes’ lives is the way to go. But like I said. It wasn’t long ago when schools wouldn’t pay for official visits except for players who had already officially declared their commitment, so I like the fact some players are taking their visits first better than the way it used to be. I am grateful the process worked for you and your family.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 18, 2024 15:34:47 GMT -5
While true. I think you can make any public announcement of a verbal commitment before a certain time, an enforceable rule. Does this help anything? Maybe, maybe not, but being allowed to talk to coaches before your junior year was beneficial in our case. It allowed my daughter to go to the camps of significantly interested coaches and see their coaching styles as well as the campus in person. Not being able to talk to coaches until June 15th was detrimental and extremely stressful for friends of ours the following year as they had to field a lot of communication from coaches in a matter of days without the benefit of face to face interactions. Being allowed to talk to coaches as the athletes are growing up is a better way to go imo. There is no perfect way to go about this but I do think there's a better way than the current method. Then again, I've been out of the recruitment game for a while now so maybe everyone is fine with how it is, well everyone except vbruh. I don’t see how an enforcement body can say anything about verbal commitments. It’s like the Baby Gronk thing going on in football right now (which I find somewhat exploitative by the marketing father). There’s a hypothetical ability to punish the coaches and institutions, but student athletes should be able to announce whatever verbal commitment they want to. In football schools have often issued “uncommitable offers” that players committed to, only to have to take it back when it became apparent the school wasn’t going to honor the commitment. I don’t want to pretend I have all the answers. I just know my strong preference is a system which gives the athletes the most options and the best opportunity to make the right choice for themselves. The coaches’ priority of bringing in the most talent to be the most competitive, win at the highest possible levels, and ultimately be successful in their profession and keep their jobs, is often in conflict with what’s best for the students. There’s going to be some level of pressure and obfuscation regardless. I just think a longer process that starts at a later period in athletes’ lives is the way to go. But like I said. It wasn’t long ago when schools wouldn’t pay for official visits except for players who had already officially declared their commitment, so I like the fact some players are taking their visits first better than the way it used to be. I am grateful the process worked for you and your family. Honestly, there's more that, I think, we agree on rather than disagree. Agreed. The athletes should feel empowered during the process and not at the mercy of the process. I also agree with lengthening the process. I just think it should be done by starting earlier. But what if coaches weren't allowed to initiate contact? If only the athlete could? That way the athlete determines what the process looks like in terms of calls by coaches. Again I do apologize to everyone else, but this convo is winding down.
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Jun 18, 2024 15:48:08 GMT -5
Alright, I'm going through volleyball withdrawls so I'm going rewatch some old matches. What are everyone's favorite/most memorable? I'm particularly found of the back to back 5 set thrillers vs. Wisconsin and Nebraska in 2016. What about everyone else? Those are huge. The five-set win over Penn State in Gibby's last year (2010) was super fun, even if you just watch the last set.
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Post by JT on Jun 18, 2024 16:13:27 GMT -5
Video is horrible compared to what we have now, but 2004 Regional Final, MN vs (t)OSU.
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Post by mop on Jun 18, 2024 17:06:15 GMT -5
Paula ❤️ she signed my frisbee at a game once and gave me a hug when I told her I was a libero bc of her. Core mem
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Post by mcmike on Jun 19, 2024 1:01:32 GMT -5
Halloween 2018 Rettke racks 30 kills in 4 sets but MN beat WI at the Field House in Madison 3-1
7,000 screaming fans thrashed in Set 1 then
Team 1 2 3 4 Minnesota 16 25 25 25 Wisconsin 25 22 19 19
5 weeks later the second set went 39-41, the bubble burst and SSS's Gopher career ended in tears vs Oregon
I see I'm not the only fan of this match !
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 19, 2024 1:10:00 GMT -5
Video is horrible compared to what we have now, but 2004 Regional Final, MN vs (t)OSU. Was that the year they had "regionals" in Minneapolis and Green Bay?
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