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Post by skolgophers on Jul 13, 2024 9:04:44 GMT -5
The Star Tribune can't even be bothered to do the slightest bit of research, and they wonder why I refuse to pay a subscription. Yeah I had to re-read that a few times. I’m just happy they are covering the team as much as they are.
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Post by mplsgopher on Jul 13, 2024 9:21:33 GMT -5
So the other team serves the ball, the first L receives it by making a dime pass, but we don't score the point. So while the ball is on the other side of the court .... the second L runs on and the first runs off, hockey style, so that the second can play defense by passing any balls the other team hits over? Someone make it make sense I cannot tell if you were joking or you really have no clue how this works. The answer is no- thats not how it works. The serve receive L is in the court when the opponent serves the ball. And the defense L will come when we serve. Each L will stay in the court during the whole rally until a point is scored. Was joking about running on/off mid-rally.
But is it really that much different running on/off after every sideout in the match?? That to me seems nearly equally silly. How do you expect your L to get into the rhythm of the game??
(I'm not accusing you specifically of championing or defending this, by the way. Just a general comment.)
It makes sense if you have an L who is struggling in a set and you want to replace them mid-set to give someone else a shot without having to wait until the next set. That seems fine.
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Post by douglass9 on Jul 13, 2024 10:44:44 GMT -5
Can you sub the libero's out for say the middles there by not using a substitution? So between the two they play 6ro without using your substitutions.
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Post by gophsstudent on Jul 13, 2024 11:29:56 GMT -5
As some may remember, I was living in Green Bay two years ago and Virginia last year (near Old Dominion).
Starting my job search back home in Minnesota so hopefully I will be moving home soon and enjoying this season with y’all!!
side note, LOVE the new unis
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Post by gopherfan8 on Jul 13, 2024 12:46:08 GMT -5
If it’s anything similar to club volley that has implemented the 2 libero rule as well - my sister and her teammates were both liberos and their coach had one for serve receive and the other for defense, so they switched in and out pretty frequently. At one point they also just played and switched every 3 rotations. Any substitutions didn’t count as they’re basically seen as 1 lib. Overall curious to see how everyone would implement this or if they would keep 1 lib and 1 ds.
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Post by JT on Jul 13, 2024 12:50:52 GMT -5
Can you sub the libero's out for say the middles there by not using a substitution? So between the two they play 6ro without using your substitutions. You can certainly use the liberos to limit substitution issues (they already do). Having a second (L) doesn’t further avoid the sub limits, though, because (1) you can only have one (L) on court at any given time, and (2) the (L) position (be it one player or two) can only serve for one rotational position (per set). So you can’t have Lib-1 replacing the M1 in service, and Lib-2 replace the M2 in service. One of the middles has to serve, or[/] you need to use a sub and bring in a serving/defensive specialist (and another sub to get the middle back in before that position rotates up to the front again).
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Post by gopherhim on Jul 13, 2024 13:42:09 GMT -5
What do people think? I’d be a little surprised to see two liberos suited up for the Gophers much if at all this season.
Is it the consensus that Z and Kate are the most likely to be competing for the libero jersey? I think we’ll be more likely to see them on the court together as libero and DS rather than splitting time as libero on serve and libero in receive. I think we’ll see some attempts at all three pins playing six rotations, but ultimately think someone will be playing 3 rotations. Whoever it is, I think Z or Kate will DS for them. If both of them are listed as liberos on the lineup sheet turned into the scorer’s table though, they’ll be locked into the L jerseys and neither will be able to play for a pin unless they decide to let the middles play back row lol. So I could see both Z and Kate getting chances at libero but not in the same match.
Or can liberos switch between sets? If so then maybe two liberos used in a match but not in the same set.
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Post by gopherhim on Jul 13, 2024 13:46:06 GMT -5
As some may remember, I was living in Green Bay two years ago and Virginia last year (near Old Dominion). Starting my job search back home in Minnesota so hopefully I will be moving home soon and enjoying this season with y’all!! side note, LOVE the new unis Good luck on the job search and welcome home! I vaguely remember you talking about Green Bay. Are you pursuing sports journalism/broadcasting? Or sports management? I remember something sporty.
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Post by JT on Jul 13, 2024 14:16:53 GMT -5
What do people think? I’d be a little surprised to see two liberos suited up for the Gophers much if at all this season. Is it the consensus that Z and Kate are the most likely to be competing for the libero jersey? I think we’ll be more likely to see them on the court together as libero and DS rather than splitting time as libero on serve and libero in receive. I think we’ll see some attempts at all three pins playing six rotations, but ultimately think someone will be playing 3 rotations. Whoever it is, I think Z or Kate will DS for them. If both of them are listed as liberos on the lineup sheet turned into the scorer’s table though, they’ll be locked into the L jerseys and neither will be able to play for a pin unless they decide to let the middles play back row lol. So I could see both Z and Kate getting chances at libero but not in the same match. Or can liberos switch between sets? If so then maybe two liberos used in a match but not in the same set. I think we’ll only have one (L) at a time (i.e. per set). No reason other than her being my locker daughter, but I think it’ll be Z. You can change who the Libero(s) are on a set by set basis, so we could change who wears the jersey that frequently. I don’t see it happening, though.
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Post by gopherhim on Jul 13, 2024 14:39:55 GMT -5
What do people think? I’d be a little surprised to see two liberos suited up for the Gophers much if at all this season. Is it the consensus that Z and Kate are the most likely to be competing for the libero jersey? I think we’ll be more likely to see them on the court together as libero and DS rather than splitting time as libero on serve and libero in receive. I think we’ll see some attempts at all three pins playing six rotations, but ultimately think someone will be playing 3 rotations. Whoever it is, I think Z or Kate will DS for them. If both of them are listed as liberos on the lineup sheet turned into the scorer’s table though, they’ll be locked into the L jerseys and neither will be able to play for a pin unless they decide to let the middles play back row lol. So I could see both Z and Kate getting chances at libero but not in the same match. Or can liberos switch between sets? If so then maybe two liberos used in a match but not in the same set. I think we’ll only have one (L) at a time (i.e. per set). No reason other than her being my locker daughter, but I think it’ll be Z. You can change who the Libero(s) are on a set by set basis, so we could change who wears the jersey that frequently. I don’t see it happening, though. Thanks! Makes sense. Thought about it some more and remembered CC getting bonked on the head by a Brooke Mosher swing in 2021 and Skylar being able to switch into a libero jersey mid-set because of injury. When the set ended Hugh was able to re-designate Rachel as the libero for the next set.
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Jul 13, 2024 15:42:08 GMT -5
I cannot tell if you were joking or you really have no clue how this works. The answer is no- thats not how it works. The serve receive L is in the court when the opponent serves the ball. And the defense L will come when we serve. Each L will stay in the court during the whole rally until a point is scored. Was joking about running on/off mid-rally.
But is it really that much different running on/off after every sideout in the match?? That to me seems nearly equally silly. How do you expect your L to get into the rhythm of the game??
(I'm not accusing you specifically of championing or defending this, by the way. Just a general comment.)
It makes sense if you have an L who is struggling in a set and you want to replace them mid-set to give someone else a shot without having to wait until the next set. That seems fine.
Gotcha! And honestly I am not entirely sure if I like this 2 L system either and I doubt that we will see Keegan using that much. If anything, I like the flexibility to be able to switch up the L a bit if needed.
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Post by douglass9 on Jul 13, 2024 18:52:19 GMT -5
We would have won more games last year if we had a second libero to sub for some of our hitters. Playing two libero's 6ro also gives shorter players more opportunity to play. On the other hand any top level recruit needs to play 6ro for life after college.
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Post by minnley on Jul 13, 2024 20:54:25 GMT -5
What do people think? I’d be a little surprised to see two liberos suited up for the Gophers much if at all this season. Is it the consensus that Z and Kate are the most likely to be competing for the libero jersey? I think we’ll be more likely to see them on the court together as libero and DS rather than splitting time as libero on serve and libero in receive. I think we’ll see some attempts at all three pins playing six rotations, but ultimately think someone will be playing 3 rotations. Whoever it is, I think Z or Kate will DS for them. If both of them are listed as liberos on the lineup sheet turned into the scorer’s table though, they’ll be locked into the L jerseys and neither will be able to play for a pin unless they decide to let the middles play back row lol. So I could see both Z and Kate getting chances at libero but not in the same match. Or can liberos switch between sets? If so then maybe two liberos used in a match but not in the same set. I think we’ll only have one (L) at a time (i.e. per set). No reason other than her being my locker daughter, but I think it’ll be Z. You can change who the Libero(s) are on a set by set basis, so we could change who wears the jersey that frequently. I don’t see it happening, though. I agree, and I think it will be Z at Libero and Kate at DS. Pretty good. Pret-ty Pret-ty good! This season should be fun!
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Post by skolgophers on Jul 14, 2024 0:56:24 GMT -5
We would have won more games last year if we had a second libero to sub for some of our hitters. Playing two libero's 6ro also gives shorter players more opportunity to play. On the other hand any top level recruit needs to play 6ro for life after college. I don’t know much about this new rule change, but I don’t think you can have two Ls on the court at the same time. I would think it’s if one is struggling or gets injured, you can replace them with the other. I could be wrong
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Post by jeepers on Jul 14, 2024 6:47:58 GMT -5
This libero rule change is pretty simple.
You're allowed to have two bodies assigned to fill the libero role per set. Previously, you were only allowed one. These designations are assigned at the beginning of each set.
If you have two players assigned to the libero role, only one can be on the court at a time. They cannot change during the point.
If a player is in a libero role, they cannot switch and sub in as a traditional DS during the set.
I'm sure some of the top teams will have some strategy ideas for deploying the second libero body, but I don't expect it to be widely used at the top level where teams have quality liberos. They'll want that secondary defensive body available to DS.
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