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Post by douglass9 on Jul 14, 2024 12:23:46 GMT -5
The way I would like to see it done. Sub in one libero for a 3 ro then sub out when that player go to the front row. Libero 2 subs in for 3 ro when the front row player goes to the back row and so forth. Is this legal and does any of this count as a substitution? IN Minnesota's case they would have Skylar Grey for DS.
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Post by mop on Jul 14, 2024 12:36:45 GMT -5
Just because the rule changed doesn’t mean we have to use it. Ideally we have one suited up the whole time, and this makes it easier to switch in case of injury. Z can hold her own, Thibault DS for an outside or Grote.
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Post by JT on Jul 14, 2024 12:52:51 GMT -5
The way I would like to see it done. Sub in one libero for a 3 ro then sub out when that player go to the front row. Libero 2 subs in for 3 ro when the front row player goes to the back row and so forth. Is this legal and does any of this count as a substitution? IN Minnesota's case they would have Skylar Grey for DS. That would be perfectly legit, and doesn’t count against subs (the libero coming on or off is not a substitution, and in fact, it happens *behind* the 3m line where subs come on/off after being recognized/approved by the down ref)… *except* that the second libero (assuming the first one served) cannot come in until after the player they’ll replace has served (exactly the same as with a single libero doing what you describe). The libero(s) - whether there is one, or two - can only serve at one player-position (per set). I don’t see many schools deciding to suit up and designate two of their best defensive players as (L), which limits the school to only having one of those players on court at any given time. Maybe there’s something I’ve missed, but it seems a waste, except to have more able to play (since the L’s coming in and out don’t count against your sub limit).
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Post by jeepers on Jul 14, 2024 13:41:23 GMT -5
The way I would like to see it done. Sub in one libero for a 3 ro then sub out when that player go to the front row. Libero 2 subs in for 3 ro when the front row player goes to the back row and so forth. Is this legal and does any of this count as a substitution? IN Minnesota's case they would have Skylar Grey for DS. What you're describing is typical DS substitution patterns, where two DS's are replacing the front row hitters when they rotate into the back row. In NCAA volleyball, there are usually enough subs to use two DS. Teams often use the libero to sub for middle blockers, which doesn't count against the substitution limit. The new rule simply allows two different players to serve as the libero in each set, but only one libero can be on the court at a time. The Libero position has way more freedom than the subsitution pattern you're describing.
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Post by mplsgopher on Jul 14, 2024 19:27:00 GMT -5
I wonder who requested the rule change and what their argument for it was?
To allow the very best teams to stockpile L talent by being able to tell two players "you're a starting Libero for ____" instead of only one? Seems a little lame.
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Post by jeepers on Jul 15, 2024 3:25:55 GMT -5
I wonder who requested the rule change and what their argument for it was? To allow the very best teams to stockpile L talent by being able to tell two players "you're a starting Libero for ____" instead of only one? Seems a little lame. The argument is written in the rule. To allow two libero players to be designated for each set by indicating the players’ numbers on the lineup sheet for the set. Only one libero is allowed on the court at a time and is only allowed to serve in one position. Rationale: The change will allow more players the opportunity for playing time and to compete. Coaches have the discretion to determine whether or not to use two liberos.It's not something that I foresee the top teams really using. Maybe somebody has a third string hitter who has a knack for passing a knuckleball serve that they can throw in there in certain situations. Otherwise it seems like something more pointed at the lower levels.
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Post by JT on Jul 15, 2024 11:19:30 GMT -5
I wonder who requested the rule change and what their argument for it was? To allow the very best teams to stockpile L talent by being able to tell two players "you're a starting Libero for ____" instead of only one? Seems a little lame. The argument is written in the rule. To allow two libero players to be designated for each set by indicating the players’ numbers on the lineup sheet for the set. Only one libero is allowed on the court at a time and is only allowed to serve in one position. Rationale: The change will allow more players the opportunity for playing time and to compete. Coaches have the discretion to determine whether or not to use two liberos.It's not something that I foresee the top teams really using. Maybe somebody has a third string hitter who has a knack for passing a knuckleball serve that they can throw in there in certain situations. Otherwise it seems like something more pointed at the lower levels. Doesn’t the coach need to list the Libero(s) on the lineup sheet at the beginning of the set? That would seem to restrict the use of this hypothetical player, since she can only come in by replacing the starting Libero (technically she can replace any back row player, but there can’t be two (L)s on court, and since they’re in serve receive, the starting (L) will be on court). Seems a lot of restriction, for an off chance of saving a couple substitutions.
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Jul 15, 2024 12:08:41 GMT -5
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Post by jeepers on Jul 15, 2024 13:43:17 GMT -5
The argument is written in the rule. To allow two libero players to be designated for each set by indicating the players’ numbers on the lineup sheet for the set. Only one libero is allowed on the court at a time and is only allowed to serve in one position. Rationale: The change will allow more players the opportunity for playing time and to compete. Coaches have the discretion to determine whether or not to use two liberos.It's not something that I foresee the top teams really using. Maybe somebody has a third string hitter who has a knack for passing a knuckleball serve that they can throw in there in certain situations. Otherwise it seems like something more pointed at the lower levels. Doesn’t the coach need to list the Libero(s) on the lineup sheet at the beginning of the set? That would seem to restrict the use of this hypothetical player, since she can only come in by replacing the starting Libero (technically she can replace any back row player, but there can’t be two (L)s on court, and since they’re in serve receive, the starting (L) will be on court). Seems a lot of restriction, for an off chance of saving a couple substitutions. Yep you are right, that's why I said maybe a third string hitter who has a knack for passing. I'm just trying to think about how somebody might use it. I just don't see it being used much in the top half of Division 1. Any rule with the rationale of "the change will allow more players the opportunity for playing time" isn't meant for the power 4 teams. I think we're all in agreement there, though maybe some coach is trying to cook something up.
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Jul 15, 2024 15:07:31 GMT -5
I wonder who requested the rule change and what their argument for it was? To allow the very best teams to stockpile L talent by being able to tell two players "you're a starting Libero for ____" instead of only one? Seems a little lame. The argument is written in the rule. To allow two libero players to be designated for each set by indicating the players’ numbers on the lineup sheet for the set. Only one libero is allowed on the court at a time and is only allowed to serve in one position. Rationale: The change will allow more players the opportunity for playing time and to compete. Coaches have the discretion to determine whether or not to use two liberos.It's not something that I foresee the top teams really using. Maybe somebody has a third string hitter who has a knack for passing a knuckleball serve that they can throw in there in certain situations. Otherwise it seems like something more pointed at the lower levels. That rationale is included in their rule outline? How bizarre, it sounds like it’s written by someone making U15 rules that hasn’t ever watched college volleyball. I can’t imagine recruits will go to schools with coaches that use two liberos, putting on that different colored shirt is a death sentence play time wise if you’re second string.
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Post by skindog on Jul 15, 2024 20:44:37 GMT -5
Got an email today that season tickets are now posted in my account. They're there, plus one for December 1 labeled "2024 Women's VB Season Ticket". There isn't a game on the schedule that day.
Ideas?
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Post by gophsstudent on Jul 16, 2024 12:01:18 GMT -5
As some may remember, I was living in Green Bay two years ago and Virginia last year (near Old Dominion). Starting my job search back home in Minnesota so hopefully I will be moving home soon and enjoying this season with y’all!! side note, LOVE the new unis Good luck on the job search and welcome home! I vaguely remember you talking about Green Bay. Are you pursuing sports journalism/broadcasting? Or sports management? I remember something sporty. Thanks! I majored in sport management and have been working in the industry for the last couple years, but looking to transition back to the normal business industry now. While working in sports is a lot of fun, I've found it's hard to be a sports fan when you're always working various events!
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Post by gophsstudent on Jul 16, 2024 12:02:17 GMT -5
Got an email today that season tickets are now posted in my account. They're there, plus one for December 1 labeled "2024 Women's VB Season Ticket". There isn't a game on the schedule that day. Ideas? Probably just an error in building out events. I work with the same ticketing system as UMN and it's likely they created this as a 'dummy event' and accidently released it into people's accounts. I would call the box office and give them a heads up if you have time.
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Post by curiouskg on Jul 16, 2024 12:37:24 GMT -5
Got an email today that season tickets are now posted in my account. They're there, plus one for December 1 labeled "2024 Women's VB Season Ticket". There isn't a game on the schedule that day. Ideas? I have it too. And should note that my tickets have been in my account for a few weeks.
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Post by skolgophers on Jul 16, 2024 13:08:36 GMT -5
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