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Post by babybacksets on Jun 13, 2024 22:11:30 GMT -5
Chalei and Mili are solid recruits, but I'll admit that RAM let other recruits like Malu Garcia and Keonilei Akana get away Yes, they are. But the club team around them will not allow them to compete at a high level. Would you say there is a very spaced out distribution of talent amongst clubs on the island? Like is it it not possible for one club to go out of their way to grab as many of the top performing recruits onto one super team that better represents the level of play and potential in Hawaii? I’ll admit I saw that first middle be late on the block and sighed HEAVY lol |
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Post by VT Karen on Jun 13, 2024 22:40:59 GMT -5
Yes, they are. But the club team around them will not allow them to compete at a high level. Would you say there is a very spaced out distribution of talent amongst clubs on the island? Like is it it not possible for one club to go out of their way to grab as many of the top performing recruits onto one super team that better represents the level of play and potential in Hawaii? I’ll admit I saw that first middle be late on the block and sighed HEAVY lol I think pre-COVID, the club scene in Hawaii was healthier with talent at many of the top 10 clubs. Nowadays, the talent is weaker and the top team(s) that have the talent don't really compete locally. For instance, that video was taken from this year's Hawaii Volleyball Combine and Showcase. Pre-COVID, only the top 8 teams in the state (as determined by the local power league qualifier) would qualify to play in the Hawaii Volleyball Showcase and the level of play was HIGH because the teams were battled tested and preparing for the showcase. The gym would be filled with college coaches looking to recruit and from what you see in that video, there's almost no one. Not a knock to Robyn, but I would have liked to see Chalei and Mili at SAS or Kuikahi where they would receive great coaching and be surrounded by players more up to their level. I'm not sure if that was an option for those two athletes but just putting that out there. That video was not it and it's sad to see the level be so low. |
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Post by 808empath on Jun 13, 2024 23:21:02 GMT -5
Just block him/her/they/them/delusional.. Part of me gets a good laugh every times though...bc this has to be comedy/satire at this point One would hope. 😅 |
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Post by practicesafesets on Jun 13, 2024 23:49:11 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but I have been feeling like the lack of a true assistant coach has been hurting UH. They were fortunate enough to have some great assistants in the past (Reyes, Wade, Wong, Ljunquist) that played pivotal roles in landing their marquee players. I can't help but think that is the reason they have yet to have a true go-to undr Ah Mow's tenure. I wonder why they haven't upgraded the position since Ljunquist left. Between the alums that have since retired (Hartong, Mitchem, Danielson, Bown, Taylor) I would think someone would have found someone to fill that role. When Coach Ang left, my first thought was that Bown would be a great replacement. She seems to have a similar temperament to Ljungqvist and is obviously familiar with Robyn. Looks like she’s still involved with coaching at a good club in southern California, so maybe some connections there as well. Who knows if there was interest by either party though. http://instagram.com/p/C2BqRa-si2k was thinking the same a while ago too or maybe Hartong |
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Post by brooselee on Jun 14, 2024 0:08:26 GMT -5
Would you say there is a very spaced out distribution of talent amongst clubs on the island? Like is it it not possible for one club to go out of their way to grab as many of the top performing recruits onto one super team that better represents the level of play and potential in Hawaii? I’ll admit I saw that first middle be late on the block and sighed HEAVY lol I think pre-COVID, the club scene in Hawaii was healthier with talent at many of the top 10 clubs. Nowadays, the talent is weaker and the top team(s) that have the talent don't really compete locally. For instance, that video was taken from this year's Hawaii Volleyball Combine and Showcase. Pre-COVID, only the top 8 teams in the state (as determined by the local power league qualifier) would qualify to play in the Hawaii Volleyball Showcase and the level of play was HIGH because the teams were battled tested and preparing for the showcase. The gym would be filled with college coaches looking to recruit and from what you see in that video, there's almost no one. Not a knock to Robyn, but I would have liked to see Chalei and Mili at SAS or Kuikahi where they would receive great coaching and be surrounded by players more up to their level. I'm not sure if that was an option for those two athletes but just putting that out there. That video was not it and it's sad to see the level be so low. Mili did train at SAS with Kevin supervising her. She made a choice to play at Mauloa probably because Rob will her college coach. It only make sense. Mili has already signed with UH so there was no need to impress anyone. Everything worked out for Mili. She will be a starter for the season opener. I'm excited to see her grow into an Amber Igiede type player. |
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Post by ShaveDoji on Jun 14, 2024 0:14:59 GMT -5
No it’s not you. I think someone at the university is fall asleep at the wheel. I learned about the season ticket renewal when someone mentioned here. Same with my football tickets. Read someone from another board mentioned it, then I checked my account and bingo….the renewal form is there. Just that nobody from the school said anything. You know what is even worst? If you go to the Hawaii women volleyball instagram page, it has a season ticket link….but it was for the 2021 season. 👎👎👎👎👎 www.instagram.com/hawaiiwvb/?hl=enHere the link if you wanna buy season tickets for 2021 LMAO! Hahaha. I wonder what's happening at UH. Maybe good admin help is hard to find. The updates and promotion for the program definitely seems to be lacking. I can’t help but feel the “magic” surrounding the program is fading a bit. Definitely miss the media build up to the season from Ann Miller and Cindy Luis. Obviously Robyn and co. like to play their cards close to their chest and the media can only put out what they get, but I feel like a little hype isn’t bad. Especially when you hear players talk about wanting to play for Hawai’i because they’ve seen such and such video online. I’m not privy to how NIL works but it would seem that more promotion would be good for that as well. I do get the let your play speak for itself approach though. That being said, I’m excited to see the direction the coaching staff is taking with these new recruits and getting some of the top players to stay home. Players always talk about playing for the state and I feel like these local products always have a little extra pride playing in front of their family and friends. Couple that with some raw talent, and hopefully the team can make some deep runs in the tourney in the near future. |
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Post by VT Karen on Jun 14, 2024 0:26:34 GMT -5
I think pre-COVID, the club scene in Hawaii was healthier with talent at many of the top 10 clubs. Nowadays, the talent is weaker and the top team(s) that have the talent don't really compete locally. For instance, that video was taken from this year's Hawaii Volleyball Combine and Showcase. Pre-COVID, only the top 8 teams in the state (as determined by the local power league qualifier) would qualify to play in the Hawaii Volleyball Showcase and the level of play was HIGH because the teams were battled tested and preparing for the showcase. The gym would be filled with college coaches looking to recruit and from what you see in that video, there's almost no one. Not a knock to Robyn, but I would have liked to see Chalei and Mili at SAS or Kuikahi where they would receive great coaching and be surrounded by players more up to their level. I'm not sure if that was an option for those two athletes but just putting that out there. That video was not it and it's sad to see the level be so low. Mili did train at SAS with Kevin supervising her. She made a choice to play at Mauloa probably because Rob will her college coach. It only make sense. Mili has already signed with UH so there was no need to impress anyone. Everything worked out for Mili. She will be a starter for the season opener. I'm excited to see her grow into an Amber Igiede type player. She did a few 1-on-1 sessions with Kevin or did she actually spend a full season in their gym with their best team? To me, and I've seen Robyn's team play multiple times, Mili was hindered this season by the type of teammates and coaching she had this past club season. She is a good player and physical but she will have to play catch up come fall camp. I think her physical gifts to will allow her to do that and she'll be surrounded by better players. In my opinion, she would have been better off playing for a better club. |
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Post by babybacksets on Jun 14, 2024 2:22:46 GMT -5
Mili did train at SAS with Kevin supervising her. She made a choice to play at Mauloa probably because Rob will her college coach. It only make sense. Mili has already signed with UH so there was no need to impress anyone. Everything worked out for Mili. She will be a starter for the season opener. I'm excited to see her grow into an Amber Igiede type player. She did a few 1-on-1 sessions with Kevin or did she actually spend a full season in their gym with their best team? To me, and I've seen Robyn's team play multiple times, Mili was hindered this season by the type of teammates and coaching she had this past club season. She is a good player and physical but she will have to play catch up come fall camp. I think her physical gifts to will allow her to do that and she'll be surrounded by better players. In my opinion, she would have been better off playing for a better club. I agree with this from watching the team in person I really wish they both had a supporting cast. I guess it’s fine that Chalei might come in early for the sake of being around better competition, I like it better for her than I like it for Kainoa Wade. Just unfortunate that it’s not necessarily what we need positionally. |
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Post by noblesol on Jun 14, 2024 3:06:12 GMT -5
Hahaha. I wonder what's happening at UH. Maybe good admin help is hard to find. The updates and promotion for the program definitely seems to be lacking. I can’t help but feel the “magic” surrounding the program is fading a bit. Definitely miss the media build up to the season from Ann Miller and Cindy Luis. Obviously Robyn and co. like to play their cards close to their chest and the media can only put out what they get, but I feel like a little hype isn’t bad. Especially when you hear players talk about wanting to play for Hawai’i because they’ve seen such and such video online. I’m not privy to how NIL works but it would seem that more promotion would be good for that as well. I do get the let your play speak for itself approach though. That being said, I’m excited to see the direction the coaching staff is taking with these new recruits and getting some of the top players to stay home. Players always talk about playing for the state and I feel like these local products always have a little extra pride playing in front of their family and friends. Couple that with some raw talent, and hopefully the team can make some deep runs in the tourney in the near future. Coaches all have strengths and weaknesses. We know Ah Mow's strengths, we know her weaknesses. Getting production out of sometimes non-dominant players, and mastering unconventional lineups and substitutions based on a deep gut-level understanding of talent and what she can get out of her team, that's her strength. Her biggest weakness, a lack of external communication with fans, media, and recruits that wins hearts and minds. The biggest thing that Angelica helped her with was that external communication. In that regard, neither of her two current assistants have the gravitas to be the external face of the program and to cover for that Ah Mow weakness. |
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Post by ShaveDoji on Jun 14, 2024 5:17:55 GMT -5
The updates and promotion for the program definitely seems to be lacking. I can’t help but feel the “magic” surrounding the program is fading a bit. Definitely miss the media build up to the season from Ann Miller and Cindy Luis. Obviously Robyn and co. like to play their cards close to their chest and the media can only put out what they get, but I feel like a little hype isn’t bad. Especially when you hear players talk about wanting to play for Hawai’i because they’ve seen such and such video online. I’m not privy to how NIL works but it would seem that more promotion would be good for that as well. I do get the let your play speak for itself approach though. That being said, I’m excited to see the direction the coaching staff is taking with these new recruits and getting some of the top players to stay home. Players always talk about playing for the state and I feel like these local products always have a little extra pride playing in front of their family and friends. Couple that with some raw talent, and hopefully the team can make some deep runs in the tourney in the near future. Coaches all have strengths and weaknesses. We know Ah Mow's strengths, we know her weaknesses. Getting production out of sometimes non-dominant players, and mastering unconventional lineups and substitutions based on a deep gut-level understanding of talent and what she can get out of her team, that's her strength. Her biggest weakness, a lack of external communication with fans, media, and recruits that wins hearts and minds. The biggest thing that Angelica helped her with was that external communication. In that regard, neither of her two current assistants have the gravitas to be the external face of the program and to cover for that Ah Mow weakness. 100% agree. I don’t doubt Ah Mow’s knowledge of the game and think she’s still growing into her own as a coach. The lack of media exposure is going to be what it is with this staff but I do think someone in the athletic department is dropping the ball by not communicating season ticket renewals in a timely manner. It’s not like they’re selling out matches and with the new P4 conference alignment, it’s going to be tough to get those marquee teams to play at the Stan and fill those seats. Looks like the renewal deadline is only a week away too, June 21st. app.hawaiiathletics.com/wvb2024 |
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Post by medusa on Jun 14, 2024 15:51:50 GMT -5
When does UH Wahine volleyball season starts? It's already middle June. And there is no schedule on UH site.
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Post by VT Karen on Jun 15, 2024 1:27:22 GMT -5
She did a few 1-on-1 sessions with Kevin or did she actually spend a full season in their gym with their best team? To me, and I've seen Robyn's team play multiple times, Mili was hindered this season by the type of teammates and coaching she had this past club season. She is a good player and physical but she will have to play catch up come fall camp. I think her physical gifts to will allow her to do that and she'll be surrounded by better players. In my opinion, she would have been better off playing for a better club. I agree with this from watching the team in person I really wish they both had a supporting cast. I guess it’s fine that Chalei might come in early for the sake of being around better competition, I like it better for her than I like it for Kainoa Wade. Just unfortunate that it’s not necessarily what we need positionally. Kainoa Wade is an entire body above his peers in Hawaii. Chalei is not. I still think Chalei needs another year of junior ball. She has regressed in my opinion. The potential is there! She just needs better training and to be with a better team to be pushed to play near the top of her game. |
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Post by VT Karen on Jun 15, 2024 1:30:24 GMT -5
Coaches all have strengths and weaknesses. We know Ah Mow's strengths, we know her weaknesses. Getting production out of sometimes non-dominant players, and mastering unconventional lineups and substitutions based on a deep gut-level understanding of talent and what she can get out of her team, that's her strength. Her biggest weakness, a lack of external communication with fans, media, and recruits that wins hearts and minds. The biggest thing that Angelica helped her with was that external communication. In that regard, neither of her two current assistants have the gravitas to be the external face of the program and to cover for that Ah Mow weakness. 100% agree. I don’t doubt Ah Mow’s knowledge of the game and think she’s still growing into her own as a coach. The lack of media exposure is going to be what it is with this staff but I do think someone in the athletic department is dropping the ball by not communicating season ticket renewals in a timely manner. It’s not like they’re selling out matches and with the new P4 conference alignment, it’s going to be tough to get those marquee teams to play at the Stan and fill those seats. Looks like the renewal deadline is only a week away too, June 21st. app.hawaiiathletics.com/wvb2024Agreed. There is no doubt that Robyn has a wealth of volleyball knowledge and a volleyball IQ that has grown from being such a great player for so long at the highest level. No one's really touching her like that when it comes to savvy volleyball IQ. I just think she struggles to convey all that knowledge to younger players still. Regardless, she has done a good job so far and I look forward to watching her continue to build and get better. |
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Post by hapaguy on Jun 15, 2024 14:52:29 GMT -5
There's lot's of former players out there that have loads of volleyball IQ but that doesn't mean they can coach. This comment is going to stir up some shaite on here with some of the homers but I'm still going to voice my opinion anyway: if Robyn doesn't get us back into the national rankings in the next couple of years we should look for another head coach. We've only been ranked once in the last 7 years and the excuse that some on here were making after Robyn was hired and we fell out of the rankings was that Dave "left the cupboard bare" when he left, well that is no longer a valid excuse. The other excuse for our fall from the national rankings was that because we are considered a "mid-major" that makes it difficult to recruit and my response to that is that there are other mid-majors that are ranked every year so IMHO there is no reason why we can't still be ranked with our history, volleyball culture, facilities, and attendance. Hawaii should be the top ranked mid-major year in and year out. We shouldn't settle for less than that.
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Post by noblesol on Jun 15, 2024 16:11:38 GMT -5
There's lot's of former players out there that have loads of volleyball IQ but that doesn't mean they can coach. This comment is going to stir up some shaite on here with some of the homers but I'm still going to voice my opinion anyway: if Robyn doesn't get us back into the national rankings in the next couple of years we should look for another head coach. We've only been ranked once in the last 7 years and the excuse that some on here were making after Robyn was hired and we fell out of the rankings was that Dave "left the cupboard bare" when he left, well that is no longer a valid excuse. The other excuse for our fall from the national rankings was that because we are considered a "mid-major" that makes it difficult to recruit and my response to that is that there are other mid-majors that are ranked every year so IMHO there is no reason why we can't still be ranked with our history, volleyball culture, facilities, and attendance. Hawaii should be the top ranked mid-major year in and year out. We shouldn't settle for less than that. Ah Mow is an excellent coach in the gym and game time. The problem has been recruiting mainly, then communication with media and fans. Shoji hung around too long, talented young coaches under him left, the recruiting trail was getting cold and other schools were dominating and on the rise, finally the writing was on the wall and he retired. Living in the past and failing to admit how the recruiting landscape has changed, you'll constantly be disappointed in the now. Ah Mow needs an Angelica type around. But of a younger generation that can handle today's social media landscape, that's at ease in front of a camera, that can be an engaging face to the program with the media, fans, and on the recruiting trail. In the gym coaching skill would almost be secondary. The current staff is capable enough in that regard. |
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