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Post by 5100 on Jun 17, 2024 0:15:59 GMT -5
By objective results, Shoji his last seven years and Ah Mow her last seven years are about the same. Shoji saved his last best team for his retirement year, and Ah Mow was left to try and refill the ranks after he and his star(s) left. 2016 was Shoji's last year? So in his last seven years, his team had a Final Four finish (2009) and an elite 8 appearance. Robyn hasn't achieved that yet.
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Post by wotugeteyeproblem on Jun 17, 2024 0:17:57 GMT -5
Tennessee just fired (well technically didn't renew the contract) it's women's basketball coach after 5 years because she couldn't make it past the Sweet 16. Similar situation to Hawaii in that they were once a power, are still good but can't quite content for national titles. In any case, if it were up to me, I'd consider not renewing Robyn's contract if there's no upward trajectory in the program in 3-5 years. I think the ceiling of the program is a lot higher than it should be. The program still has a lot going for it compared to it's peers--Big West Championships and NCAA tournament appearances should be the floor not the goal. I do think it's unrealistic for us to challenge for the national title these days, but we should absolutely be at the forefront of the G5 programs. That said, in no way do I think the school would actually pull the trigger and get rid of her. We won't fire the men's basketball coach for having a winning record and kept the old baseball coach despite constant mediocrity too. Barring multiple years of not making the NCAA tournament, and maybe even losing records, Robyn's job is 100% safe. Good to know there are programs that have the ability and resources to be able to get rid of a conference winning coach but not able to get deep in the tournament. Although similar situation with Hawaii, taking into the account the other variable$ as noblesol indicated the similarities end. A Power Conference program with Power Conference budgets would be a more attractive job for a prospective coach than a mid-major program/conference. Who would be a viable alternative for the coaching staff? And I agree, conference championships and tournament appearances are/should be the floor. And I hope that the team can return to deeper runs in the tournament. To a certain extent I admire some people's passion and desire for the program to return to the old glory days. What I don't get, even as a season ticket holder and fan of almost 50 years, is how some seem to take it so personally and are so upset and get bent out of shape that people aren't as mad as they are about the current state of things. People are getting upset that Hawaii isn't in the Regionals every year (the "top" 16 teams in the country) but expect them to be. Shoji was only able to take the team past the second round 4 times in his last 10 seasons (a third round, two Regional Finals, and a Final four). To each their own I guess.
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Post by 808empath on Jun 17, 2024 0:44:48 GMT -5
Hapaguy seems to still be butt-hurt because Robyn didn't say "hi" to him at an away game a few years ago because he felt entitled to this because he previously donated to the program or was a booster or something. So it seems he has some kind of vendetta against her. He also wants to dictate how people should feel -- that people should be as upset as he is that Hawaii is not meeting his "high" expectations. No one is okay with Hawaii not being as successful as they once were. No one is saying it's okay for a coach to take over a perennially ranked program to where it's not ranked anymore. It's just that no one is bitching about it as loudly and repeatedly as you are and you seem mad about that. It's also probably that most people realize that the national landscape of volleyball has changed and Hawaii has a difficult task in trying to get back into the limelight. As it is now, Hawaii (and the Big West) cannot compete with what other programs/conferences can offer to coaches and recruits. It's hard to get champagne when you have a beer budget especially when a lot more schools are able to offer champagne. Hapaguy wants/expects all of this without being able to articulate how to actually get those things. Now hapaguy wants the cash-strapped athletic department to replace the current coach by magically finding funds to attract a successful/good coach to coach in a mid-major conference and will magically be able to turn around the program and attract high level recruits to play in a mid-major conference (rather than coaching/playing against high level programs on a weekly basis). All so that Hawaii can satisfy his "high" expectations of getting back to consistently being in the national rankings and making deep runs in the NCAA tournament. While most if not all of the fans want this, most fans are realistic in their expectations and don't get their panties in a bunch when it doesn't happen. 💯
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Post by 808empath on Jun 17, 2024 0:48:55 GMT -5
Wow. What a doozy to read those last several pages. Although some of ya'll are blocked. Lol. I came on in the hopes that there was some recruiting info or something about the schedule. But no here we are with nonsense drivel, again. 😩🤷🏻♂️🤔😭
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Post by noblesol on Jun 17, 2024 0:55:19 GMT -5
By objective results, Shoji his last seven years and Ah Mow her last seven years are about the same. Shoji saved his last best team for his retirement year, and Ah Mow was left to try and refill the ranks after he and his star(s) left. 2016 was Shoji's last year? So in his last seven years, his team had a Final Four finish (2009) and an elite 8 appearance. Robyn hasn't achieved that yet. 2009 was the year prior to his last seven. After that, M. Sealy left and S. Wong arrived. In 2010 they were knocked out soundly in the second round by Washington, and began a series of being knocked out in the first or second round until 2016. Bottom line, the last fourteen years the team has fallen within the same sigma of strength. Shoji got back to the Elite-8 once in those last seven seasons. Ah Mow in her first seven got to the Sweet-16. But Ah Mow had to deal with the Covid lost year and resulting personnel losses. As for budgets, a profitable UH Manoa football team during the Shoji years then became a budget killer generating multi-million dollar losses, losing a stadium, and losing fan base that shrank by at least half over the Ah Mow period. While the budgets of the P5/4 conferences have ballooned, UH Manoa couldn't keep up, got harangued before the State budget committees, and was letting coaches go and pinching every nickel.
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Post by 2left on Jun 17, 2024 1:54:30 GMT -5
2016 was Shoji's last year? So in his last seven years, his team had a Final Four finish (2009) and an elite 8 appearance. Robyn hasn't achieved that yet. 2009 was the year prior to his last seven. After that, M. Sealy left and S. Wong arrived. In 2010 they were knocked out soundly in the second round by Washington, and began a series of being knocked out in the first or second round until 2016. Bottom line, the last fourteen years the team has fallen within the same sigma of strength. Shoji got back to the Elite-8 once in those last seven seasons. Ah Mow in her first seven got to the Sweet-16. But Ah Mow had to deal with the Covid lost year and resulting personnel losses. As for budgets, a profitable UH Manoa football team during the Shoji years then became a budget killer generating multi-million dollar losses, losing a stadium, and losing fan base that shrank by at least half over the Ah Mow period. While the budgets of the P5/4 conferences have ballooned, UH Manoa couldn't keep up, got harangued before the State budget committees, and was letting coaches go and pinching every nickel. Thank you for some actual considerations to think about. There IS a difference between explanations and excuses.
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Post by Kangaroo on Jun 17, 2024 6:42:37 GMT -5
Ouch, did people forget about middle Anna Kiraly already? Hawaii was able to sway her away from the Texas Longhorns, huge recruiting battle win Side note, they were also able to keep Kate Lang away from TCU ooooh got it, got it! Didn’t know she was also recruited by Texas, thanks for clarifying!
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Post by vballfreak808 on Jun 17, 2024 14:34:51 GMT -5
Excited to watch Igiede play in Houston with LOVB!
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Post by staticb on Jun 17, 2024 14:54:42 GMT -5
Not sure if Amber was invited to a USNT training block this summer but hopefully she can excel in LOVB and develop into one of the best middles in the world.
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Post by VT Karen on Jun 17, 2024 15:02:17 GMT -5
YES AMBER!
Can't wait to watch her play stateside again.
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Post by ShaveDoji on Jun 17, 2024 17:02:29 GMT -5
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Post by bucky415 on Jun 17, 2024 17:40:26 GMT -5
Definitely possible. They have a hard time finding opponents.
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Post by brooselee on Jun 17, 2024 18:21:09 GMT -5
Conference expansions have made for tough scheduling. Not only now teams don’t want to travel so much during preseason because they will have to travel a whole bunch during conference but also the additional teams added to a conference mean additional conference matches ….resulting in less non conference matches.
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Post by gr8lakes on Jun 17, 2024 18:35:12 GMT -5
Things can always get worse, just look at Long Beach State after Gimmilaro retired.
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Post by hapaguy on Jun 17, 2024 18:55:55 GMT -5
Things can always get worse, just look at Long Beach State after Gimmilaro retired. Or Pacific after Dunning retired. That's what I'm afraid of...
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