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Post by noblesol on Jun 16, 2024 19:21:30 GMT -5
Ah Mow in 2024 has lost a lot with Igiede leaving, but she has some promising new recruits. With Guersching they were well set for a fun 2024, struggling a bit early with all the youth on the team, but easily contend again by the Big West Championship. With the hope of a transfer or two to add to depth and a big arm at opposite as a surprise, perhaps go farther than second round in the NCAA. But with Guershing leaving and transfers in doubt, fans might see a team that looks to be more about building in 2024.
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Post by wotugeteyeproblem on Jun 16, 2024 19:55:51 GMT -5
Hapaguy seems to still be butt-hurt because Robyn didn't say "hi" to him at an away game a few years ago because he felt entitled to this because he previously donated to the program or was a booster or something. So it seems he has some kind of vendetta against her. He also wants to dictate how people should feel -- that people should be as upset as he is that Hawaii is not meeting his "high" expectations. No one is okay with Hawaii not being as successful as they once were. No one is saying it's okay for a coach to take over a perennially ranked program to where it's not ranked anymore. It's just that no one is bitching about it as loudly and repeatedly as you are and you seem mad about that. It's also probably that most people realize that the national landscape of volleyball has changed and Hawaii has a difficult task in trying to get back into the limelight. As it is now, Hawaii (and the Big West) cannot compete with what other programs/conferences can offer to coaches and recruits. It's hard to get champagne when you have a beer budget especially when a lot more schools are able to offer champagne. Hapaguy wants/expects all of this without being able to articulate how to actually get those things. Now hapaguy wants the cash-strapped athletic department to replace the current coach by magically finding funds to attract a successful/good coach to coach in a mid-major conference and will magically be able to turn around the program and attract high level recruits to play in a mid-major conference (rather than coaching/playing against high level programs on a weekly basis). All so that Hawaii can satisfy his "high" expectations of getting back to consistently being in the national rankings and making deep runs in the NCAA tournament. While most if not all of the fans want this, most fans are realistic in their expectations and don't get their panties in a bunch when it doesn't happen. LOL...think what you want. Was that uncool of her? Yes! Do I hate her or dislike her for it? No! Did I cancel my season tickets because of it? No, I've been a season ticket holder since 1987 and just renewd my lower bowl seats for another year. I just don't understand thinking like yours where you just go "it is what it is" and make up a ton of excuses as to why we can't be nationally relevant anymore. I've asked this before and I will ask it again since not a single of you Robyn defenders will answer: in what universe is it OK for a coach - in any sport, to take over a perennially ranked program to then take that program to the point where it's not ranked anymore and that's OK? Name ANY program in any sport where that's OK and the coaches job would be safe? No one is really saying it is okay regarding not being ranked. Some people have differing opinions on the relevancy of national rankings as it relates to the success of a program but that's a separate issue. It almost seems like you're saying that since they're not ranked every year, that she ran the program into the ground. Regardless of ranking, Hawaii is still winning the conference (tournament last year) every year and going to the NCAA's. Can you name any program in any sport where a coach that has won their conference/tournament and gone to the national tournament every year is at risk of losing their job, regardless of ranking? Is Hawaii going as far in the tournament as fans want? No. Are fans okay with that? No. All fans want the elusive national championship, or at least a deep run in the tournament. Do fans expect them to go further in the tournament given the current roster and the national landscape? I don't and I suspect some have similar realistic expectations. Do fans want a new coach? Possibly. Can Hawaii attract a prominent coach to a mid-major program? It's a long shot. Long Beach was able to do so, but he bolted after two years (likely to take an assistant gig at a Power Conference program). Do fans want "better" recruits? Always. But "better" recruits don't always want Hawaii. Recruiting is a two-way street. Same with getting a new coach and with scheduling as well, there needs to be mutual interest/agreement (even without taking the financial aspect into account). If Hawaii was to get a new coach, can they attract top talent to a mid-major conference? Possibly, but knowing what other programs/conferences have to offer, will a new coach be able to attract top talent to play in a mid-major conference instead of playing in a Power conference? That would be incredible if they could. Long Beach got decent transfers and recruits after getting a new coach, but no real difference makers enough to win the conference. And again, the coach dug out after two years with no conference titles. You seem to be setting yourself up for disappointment, anger and resentment because your expectations, while "high" are not realistic given all the variables -- or as you like to call them, excuses. It's great to want the best, but you seem to expect it while dismissing all the factors that contribute to meeting or not meeting your expectations. Your high expectations are for Hawaii to be ranked every year and make a deep run in the tournament making them relevant again. With your expertise, what specifically does Hawaii need to do in order to meet your expectations? Given the current landscape, can they do it?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 16, 2024 20:00:17 GMT -5
What kind of interest do you think Hawaii would get from coaches if they fired the one who was winning the conference every year while not having a fully funded staff?
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Post by wotugeteyeproblem on Jun 16, 2024 20:04:32 GMT -5
No I don’t think so. The only person caring about being nationally relevant is you. National relevance is not that important in the big picture. You seems to be more of a status guy who need people to pat you on the shoulder and tell you you’re somebody to make your day. Yes, you actually did and you just did it again. Here's my earlier comment: "It's funny that just about everyone agrees that the program isn't nationally relevant anymore (forget about rankings) yet no one seems to care or want to do anything about it. Let's just all continue to defend the coach overseeing the downward trajectory until it's too late and we're another LBSU or Pacific.... You obviously care but what are you specifically doing to make Hawaii relevant again since you're telling people they should care and do something about it. Well, other than bitch and moan, that is. If bitching and moaning worked, it would have already given how much you've been doing since Robyn took over. And again, in your expertise, what can Hawaii do, and what can we do specifically to make Hawaii relevant again.
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Post by wahinefan on Jun 16, 2024 21:03:54 GMT -5
One question for all of you, when was the last time Robyn and staff actually went on a recruiting trip to seek out players?
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Post by VT Karen on Jun 16, 2024 21:10:17 GMT -5
One question for all of you, when was the last time Robyn and staff actually went on a recruiting trip to seek out players? I don't know. I'm not privy to the movements of the staff, the budgets or the itineraries. Do you know when?
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Post by staticb on Jun 16, 2024 21:30:48 GMT -5
Tennessee just fired (well technically didn't renew the contract) it's women's basketball coach after 5 years because she couldn't make it past the Sweet 16. Similar situation to Hawaii in that they were once a power, are still good but can't quite content for national titles.
In any case, if it were up to me, I'd consider not renewing Robyn's contract if there's no upward trajectory in the program in 3-5 years. I think the ceiling of the program is a lot higher than it should be. The program still has a lot going for it compared to it's peers--Big West Championships and NCAA tournament appearances should be the floor not the goal. I do think it's unrealistic for us to challenge for the national title these days, but we should absolutely be at the forefront of the G5 programs.
That said, in no way do I think the school would actually pull the trigger and get rid of her. We won't fire the men's basketball coach for having a winning record and kept the old baseball coach despite constant mediocrity too. Barring multiple years of not making the NCAA tournament, and maybe even losing records, Robyn's job is 100% safe.
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Post by noblesol on Jun 16, 2024 23:08:44 GMT -5
Tennessee just fired (well technically didn't renew the contract) it's women's basketball coach after 5 years because she couldn't make it past the Sweet 16. Similar situation to Hawaii in that they were once a power, are still good but can't quite content for national titles. In any case, if it were up to me, I'd consider not renewing Robyn's contract if there's no upward trajectory in the program in 3-5 years. I think the ceiling of the program is a lot higher than it should be. The program still has a lot going for it compared to it's peers--Big West Championships and NCAA tournament appearances should be the floor not the goal. I do think it's unrealistic for us to challenge for the national title these days, but we should absolutely be at the forefront of the G5 programs. That said, in no way do I think the school would actually pull the trigger and get rid of her. We won't fire the men's basketball coach for having a winning record and kept the old baseball coach despite constant mediocrity too. Barring multiple years of not making the NCAA tournament, and maybe even losing records, Robyn's job is 100% safe. The University of Tennessee has an athletic budget north of $200 million/year. If they want to pay big bucks for a women's volleyball coach and her staff, and big $NIL and stipends for their recruits, and line up the Lamborghinis for them like Univ. of Texas, they can. UH Manoa has an athletic budget well south of $50 million that runs in the red each year. They won't even replace the WVB assistant coach position that walked away when Angelica left. And their WVB program is one of the few that actually turned small profits under Ah Mow. At the very least, UH Manoa needs to fill that position again with someone that can help Ah Mow with an energetic face to the program that can engage easily in front of a camera, and help her with recruiting and raising funds. The current staff is capable enough technically, but media and PR and shaking the tree for $$$ can't take a back seat anymore.
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Post by practicesafesets on Jun 16, 2024 23:31:44 GMT -5
One question for all of you, when was the last time Robyn and staff actually went on a recruiting trip to seek out players? I don't have insider info atm, but I wouldn't be surprised if they chatted up some recruits during the Brazil trip. If they didn't then that's really inefficient and a fail
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Post by practicesafesets on Jun 16, 2024 23:33:35 GMT -5
We need more girls like the 2020 recruits. Both Kate and Anna had good talent and absolutely wanted to play for Hawaii. Both had Power 5 offers yet still ended up in Hawaii. If Hawaii can get at least 2 solid recruits like that each year then Wahine should be back in the Top 20. I guess Chalei and Mili are a similar duo? who is Anna? Ouch, did people forget about middle Anna Kiraly already? Hawaii was able to sway her away from the Texas Longhorns, huge recruiting battle win Side note, they were also able to keep Kate Lang away from TCU
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Post by babybacksets on Jun 16, 2024 23:50:58 GMT -5
Nobody is dodging your question. It is a question with an obvious answer. Why do you think asking it (repeatedly) is making some significant point? Of course everyone wants to win, especially if you've won before. The question that you don't seem to have an answer for is how you think Hawai'i can achieve this success. The Big West doesn't have football, but Hawai'i does. And they can't get their football stadium situation resolved and have unique and immense geographical issues to contend with that other schools in football conferences don't have. Nobody cares about your "gut" feeling. If you don't understand that some instituions in those other conferences are better positioned to be successful in volleyball, then you don't know what you're talking about. LOL settle down tiger! Don't get your panties in a bunch! Yes, it's an obvious answer that NO ONE wants to address including you. Why are Hawaii fans OK with this and make unlimited excuses when NO ONE else would be? "The question that you don't seem to have an answer for is how you think Hawai'i can achieve this success." Do you have a reading comprehension problem too? I've said in my previous comment that I'd like to see a new coaching staff take over if RAM can't turn things around in the next couple of years. And regarding your claim that the CUSA, Atlantic 10, the AAC and WCC are better volleyball conferences, you can't provide proof for your claim that those conferences are better volleyball conferences and yet you say "nobody cares about your "gut" feeling."? Well what are you basing your claim on? YOU'RE the one making that claim so what are you basing that claim on? You should quit while you’re behind because you’re not actually saying anything sensible or substantive but I’m sure you’ve convinced yourself that you have.
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Post by babybacksets on Jun 16, 2024 23:57:31 GMT -5
Hapaguy seems to still be butt-hurt because Robyn didn't say "hi" to him at an away game a few years ago because he felt entitled to this because he previously donated to the program or was a booster or something. So it seems he has some kind of vendetta against her. He also wants to dictate how people should feel -- that people should be as upset as he is that Hawaii is not meeting his "high" expectations. No one is okay with Hawaii not being as successful as they once were. No one is saying it's okay for a coach to take over a perennially ranked program to where it's not ranked anymore. It's just that no one is bitching about it as loudly and repeatedly as you are and you seem mad about that. It's also probably that most people realize that the national landscape of volleyball has changed and Hawaii has a difficult task in trying to get back into the limelight. As it is now, Hawaii (and the Big West) cannot compete with what other programs/conferences can offer to coaches and recruits. It's hard to get champagne when you have a beer budget especially when a lot more schools are able to offer champagne. Hapaguy wants/expects all of this without being able to articulate how to actually get those things. Now hapaguy wants the cash-strapped athletic department to replace the current coach by magically finding funds to attract a successful/good coach to coach in a mid-major conference and will magically be able to turn around the program and attract high level recruits to play in a mid-major conference (rather than coaching/playing against high level programs on a weekly basis). All so that Hawaii can satisfy his "high" expectations of getting back to consistently being in the national rankings and making deep runs in the NCAA tournament. While most if not all of the fans want this, most fans are realistic in their expectations and don't get their panties in a bunch when it doesn't happen. Who are you and why don’t you post more often? Lol 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
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Post by 5100 on Jun 17, 2024 0:15:59 GMT -5
By objective results, Shoji his last seven years and Ah Mow her last seven years are about the same. Shoji saved his last best team for his retirement year, and Ah Mow was left to try and refill the ranks after he and his star(s) left. 2016 was Shoji's last year? So in his last seven years, his team had a Final Four finish (2009) and an elite 8 appearance. Robyn hasn't achieved that yet.
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Post by wotugeteyeproblem on Jun 17, 2024 0:17:57 GMT -5
Tennessee just fired (well technically didn't renew the contract) it's women's basketball coach after 5 years because she couldn't make it past the Sweet 16. Similar situation to Hawaii in that they were once a power, are still good but can't quite content for national titles. In any case, if it were up to me, I'd consider not renewing Robyn's contract if there's no upward trajectory in the program in 3-5 years. I think the ceiling of the program is a lot higher than it should be. The program still has a lot going for it compared to it's peers--Big West Championships and NCAA tournament appearances should be the floor not the goal. I do think it's unrealistic for us to challenge for the national title these days, but we should absolutely be at the forefront of the G5 programs. That said, in no way do I think the school would actually pull the trigger and get rid of her. We won't fire the men's basketball coach for having a winning record and kept the old baseball coach despite constant mediocrity too. Barring multiple years of not making the NCAA tournament, and maybe even losing records, Robyn's job is 100% safe. Good to know there are programs that have the ability and resources to be able to get rid of a conference winning coach but not able to get deep in the tournament. Although similar situation with Hawaii, taking into the account the other variable$ as noblesol indicated the similarities end. A Power Conference program with Power Conference budgets would be a more attractive job for a prospective coach than a mid-major program/conference. Who would be a viable alternative for the coaching staff? And I agree, conference championships and tournament appearances are/should be the floor. And I hope that the team can return to deeper runs in the tournament. To a certain extent I admire some people's passion and desire for the program to return to the old glory days. What I don't get, even as a season ticket holder and fan of almost 50 years, is how some seem to take it so personally and are so upset and get bent out of shape that people aren't as mad as they are about the current state of things. People are getting upset that Hawaii isn't in the Regionals every year (the "top" 16 teams in the country) but expect them to be. Shoji was only able to take the team past the second round 4 times in his last 10 seasons (a third round, two Regional Finals, and a Final four). To each their own I guess.
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Post by 808empath on Jun 17, 2024 0:44:48 GMT -5
Hapaguy seems to still be butt-hurt because Robyn didn't say "hi" to him at an away game a few years ago because he felt entitled to this because he previously donated to the program or was a booster or something. So it seems he has some kind of vendetta against her. He also wants to dictate how people should feel -- that people should be as upset as he is that Hawaii is not meeting his "high" expectations. No one is okay with Hawaii not being as successful as they once were. No one is saying it's okay for a coach to take over a perennially ranked program to where it's not ranked anymore. It's just that no one is bitching about it as loudly and repeatedly as you are and you seem mad about that. It's also probably that most people realize that the national landscape of volleyball has changed and Hawaii has a difficult task in trying to get back into the limelight. As it is now, Hawaii (and the Big West) cannot compete with what other programs/conferences can offer to coaches and recruits. It's hard to get champagne when you have a beer budget especially when a lot more schools are able to offer champagne. Hapaguy wants/expects all of this without being able to articulate how to actually get those things. Now hapaguy wants the cash-strapped athletic department to replace the current coach by magically finding funds to attract a successful/good coach to coach in a mid-major conference and will magically be able to turn around the program and attract high level recruits to play in a mid-major conference (rather than coaching/playing against high level programs on a weekly basis). All so that Hawaii can satisfy his "high" expectations of getting back to consistently being in the national rankings and making deep runs in the NCAA tournament. While most if not all of the fans want this, most fans are realistic in their expectations and don't get their panties in a bunch when it doesn't happen. 💯
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