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Post by volleyguy on Jun 16, 2024 17:34:40 GMT -5
You didn’t call me out on anything. You had no response except whining about not being ranked. That’s why you’re a mess. LOL you made a comment about volleyball conference RPI then later claimed you were talking about overall conference strenght then you claimed you knew that I was talking about a new coaching staff but yet you asked me "The question that you don't seem to have an answer for is how you think Hawai'i can achieve this success." when I already said I think we need new coaches. Then you proceeded to lecture me on our conference affiliation history as if I wasn't born and raised in Hawaii and have been a Men's and Women's Volleyball as well as Football season ticket holder since 1987 so yeah thanks for that refresher history lesson... But enough of this bickering. From the comments from you that I've seen you post, you seem to be somewhat of a contrarian. What do you think the solution is to get back to national relevance? Or do you think it doesn't matter or we're not able to? I made two separate comments about conferences, the first about those conferences being objectively stronger (mainly because of football) and also for volleyball. Then I made a comment about those schools that you specifically mentioned as successful volleyball programs being able to be ranked. So two different scenarios, both tied to being football conferences. Meanwhile, you just kept repeating your “unanswered” question about fans being satisfied with not being ranked. I also already answered your question. I asked who is a better coach than Robyn in the Big West. I also said that there are areas where Robyn could improve in terms of NIL and support (that could improve recruiting). Hawai’i improving its football situation would also improve recruiting). I also argued that money isn’t the obvious answer, as Long Beach has proved. I do think Hawai’i could be better. Recruiting, better PR and engagement, NIL (an area that Hawai’i could actually be strong in given its culture and geographic monopoly). Robyn needs to be better in some of these areas. All of this, and you seem to have missed it, or ignored it, AND you accuse me of lacking reading comprehension. Instead, you keep repeating the same “unanswered” question. You’re either dense or unserious, or both.
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Post by noblesol on Jun 16, 2024 17:37:16 GMT -5
AVCA ranking is nice, sure, but it's for the slow and feeble-minded fans and players that don't know how teams are actually evaluated. Which I guess there are a lot of around still. But we can hope to educate them, eventually. What matters are SOS, W-L records, RPI and now KPI, Conference Championships, Coaching and player awards, scholarship availability, positive fan support (attendance!), NIL opportunities, and for some of the new generation, how much social media attention making the team will help garner followings and likes to their personal accounts. Well thanks for calling me "slow and feeble-minded". I appreciate that. But I still disagree. AVCA rankings matter as far as program status and like I said recruiting. Well, I'm exasperated with fans and any player out there that gets wound around the axle over AVCA rankings. Because no one should really care. Yet they do, and I can only attribute it to the fact that half of the people in any very large group will always be below average in IQ. All of marketing is basically built upon that fact, and we know that marketing can sell ice to at least some Eskimos. So I guess we will always be stuck with a group of people that get wound around the AVCA poll axle.
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Post by hapaguy on Jun 16, 2024 17:38:52 GMT -5
Hapaguy seems to still be butt-hurt because Robyn didn't say "hi" to him at an away game a few years ago because he felt entitled to this because he previously donated to the program or was a booster or something. So it seems he has some kind of vendetta against her. He also wants to dictate how people should feel -- that people should be as upset as he is that Hawaii is not meeting his "high" expectations. No one is okay with Hawaii not being as successful as they once were. No one is saying it's okay for a coach to take over a perennially ranked program to where it's not ranked anymore. It's just that no one is bitching about it as loudly and repeatedly as you are and you seem mad about that. It's also probably that most people realize that the national landscape of volleyball has changed and Hawaii has a difficult task in trying to get back into the limelight. As it is now, Hawaii (and the Big West) cannot compete with what other programs/conferences can offer to coaches and recruits. It's hard to get champagne when you have a beer budget especially when a lot more schools are able to offer champagne. Hapaguy wants/expects all of this without being able to articulate how to actually get those things. Now hapaguy wants the cash-strapped athletic department to replace the current coach by magically finding funds to attract a successful/good coach to coach in a mid-major conference and will magically be able to turn around the program and attract high level recruits to play in a mid-major conference (rather than coaching/playing against high level programs on a weekly basis). All so that Hawaii can satisfy his "high" expectations of getting back to consistently being in the national rankings and making deep runs in the NCAA tournament. While most if not all of the fans want this, most fans are realistic in their expectations and don't get their panties in a bunch when it doesn't happen. LOL...think what you want. Was that uncool of her? Yes! Do I hate her or dislike her for it? No! Did I cancel my season tickets because of it? No, I've been a season ticket holder since 1987 and just renewd my lower bowl seats for another year. I just don't understand thinking like yours where you just go "it is what it is" and make up a ton of excuses as to why we can't be nationally relevant anymore. I've asked this before and I will ask it again since not a single of you Robyn defenders will answer: in what universe is it OK for a coach - in any sport, to take over a perennially ranked program to then take that program to the point where it's not ranked anymore and that's OK? Name ANY program in any sport where that's OK and the coaches job would be safe?
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Post by bowtime on Jun 16, 2024 17:41:44 GMT -5
Hapaguy seems to still be butt-hurt because Robyn didn't say "hi" to him at an away game a few years ago because he felt entitled to this because he previously donated to the program or was a booster or something. So it seems he has some kind of vendetta against her. He also wants to dictate how people should feel -- that people should be as upset as he is that Hawaii is not meeting his "high" expectations. No one is okay with Hawaii not being as successful as they once were. No one is saying it's okay for a coach to take over a perennially ranked program to where it's not ranked anymore. It's just that no one is bitching about it as loudly and repeatedly as you are and you seem mad about that. It's also probably that most people realize that the national landscape of volleyball has changed and Hawaii has a difficult task in trying to get back into the limelight. As it is now, Hawaii (and the Big West) cannot compete with what other programs/conferences can offer to coaches and recruits. It's hard to get champagne when you have a beer budget especially when a lot more schools are able to offer champagne. Hapaguy wants/expects all of this without being able to articulate how to actually get those things. Now hapaguy wants the cash-strapped athletic department to replace the current coach by magically finding funds to attract a successful/good coach to coach in a mid-major conference and will magically be able to turn around the program and attract high level recruits to play in a mid-major conference (rather than coaching/playing against high level programs on a weekly basis). All so that Hawaii can satisfy his "high" expectations of getting back to consistently being in the national rankings and making deep runs in the NCAA tournament. While most if not all of the fans want this, most fans are realistic in their expectations and don't get their panties in a bunch when it doesn't happen. Awesome summary. I'm pretty sure this sums up the feelings of at least 99% of the Hawaii fans.
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Post by hapaguy on Jun 16, 2024 17:52:37 GMT -5
LOL you made a comment about volleyball conference RPI then later claimed you were talking about overall conference strenght then you claimed you knew that I was talking about a new coaching staff but yet you asked me "The question that you don't seem to have an answer for is how you think Hawai'i can achieve this success." when I already said I think we need new coaches. Then you proceeded to lecture me on our conference affiliation history as if I wasn't born and raised in Hawaii and have been a Men's and Women's Volleyball as well as Football season ticket holder since 1987 so yeah thanks for that refresher history lesson... But enough of this bickering. From the comments from you that I've seen you post, you seem to be somewhat of a contrarian. What do you think the solution is to get back to national relevance? Or do you think it doesn't matter or we're not able to? I made two separate comments about conferences, the first about those conferences being objectively stronger (mainly because of football) and also for volleyball. Then I made a comment about those schools that you specifically mentioned as successful volleyball programs being able to be ranked. So two different scenarios, both tied to being football conferences. Meanwhile, you just kept repeating your “unanswered” question about fans being satisfied with not being ranked. I also already answered your question. I asked who is a better coach than Robyn in the Big West. I also said that there are areas where Robyn could improve in terms of NIL and support (that could improve recruiting). Hawai’i improving its football situation would also improve recruiting). I also argued that money isn’t the obvious answer, as Long Beach has proved. I do think Hawai’i could be better. Recruiting, better PR and engagement, NIL (an area that Hawai’i could actually be strong in given its culture and geographic monopoly). Robyn needs to be better in some of these areas. All of this, and you seem to have missed it, or ignored it, AND you accuse me of lacking reading comprehension. Instead, you keep repeating the same “unanswered” question. You’re either dense or unserious, or both. Well alrighty then! Glad to see that you agree that Robyn's program is lacking under her leadership....
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 16, 2024 17:54:45 GMT -5
I made two separate comments about conferences, the first about those conferences being objectively stronger (mainly because of football) and also for volleyball. Then I made a comment about those schools that you specifically mentioned as successful volleyball programs being able to be ranked. So two different scenarios, both tied to being football conferences. Meanwhile, you just kept repeating your “unanswered” question about fans being satisfied with not being ranked. I also already answered your question. I asked who is a better coach than Robyn in the Big West. I also said that there are areas where Robyn could improve in terms of NIL and support (that could improve recruiting). Hawai’i improving its football situation would also improve recruiting). I also argued that money isn’t the obvious answer, as Long Beach has proved. I do think Hawai’i could be better. Recruiting, better PR and engagement, NIL (an area that Hawai’i could actually be strong in given its culture and geographic monopoly). Robyn needs to be better in some of these areas. All of this, and you seem to have missed it, or ignored it, AND you accuse me of lacking reading comprehension. Instead, you keep repeating the same “unanswered” question. You’re either dense or unserious, or both. Well alrighty then! Glad to see that you agree that Robyn's program is lacking under her leadership.... Did you just pick up reading comprehension? Alrighty then!
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Post by brooselee on Jun 16, 2024 17:59:00 GMT -5
Hapaguy seems to still be butt-hurt because Robyn didn't say "hi" to him at an away game a few years ago because he felt entitled to this because he previously donated to the program or was a booster or something. So it seems he has some kind of vendetta against her. He also wants to dictate how people should feel -- that people should be as upset as he is that Hawaii is not meeting his "high" expectations. No one is okay with Hawaii not being as successful as they once were. No one is saying it's okay for a coach to take over a perennially ranked program to where it's not ranked anymore. It's just that no one is bitching about it as loudly and repeatedly as you are and you seem mad about that. It's also probably that most people realize that the national landscape of volleyball has changed and Hawaii has a difficult task in trying to get back into the limelight. As it is now, Hawaii (and the Big West) cannot compete with what other programs/conferences can offer to coaches and recruits. It's hard to get champagne when you have a beer budget especially when a lot more schools are able to offer champagne. Hapaguy wants/expects all of this without being able to articulate how to actually get those things. Now hapaguy wants the cash-strapped athletic department to replace the current coach by magically finding funds to attract a successful/good coach to coach in a mid-major conference and will magically be able to turn around the program and attract high level recruits to play in a mid-major conference (rather than coaching/playing against high level programs on a weekly basis). All so that Hawaii can satisfy his "high" expectations of getting back to consistently being in the national rankings and making deep runs in the NCAA tournament. While most if not all of the fans want this, most fans are realistic in their expectations and don't get their panties in a bunch when it doesn't happen. This^ We all want UH to go on and win a national title. The thing is most of us realize it would take everything to go right to make it work. University of San Diego went to the the final 4 two years ago but went 16-12 this past season. Maintaining a good volleyball program is hard work. Even USD cannot say they went to post season 29 straight years. I’m not so sure if you tell a recruit that you were once ranked would impress them as much as you let them know you will guaranteed to be going to the big dance every year you’re here.
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Post by hapaguy on Jun 16, 2024 18:01:22 GMT -5
Hapaguy seems to still be butt-hurt because Robyn didn't say "hi" to him at an away game a few years ago because he felt entitled to this because he previously donated to the program or was a booster or something. So it seems he has some kind of vendetta against her. He also wants to dictate how people should feel -- that people should be as upset as he is that Hawaii is not meeting his "high" expectations. No one is okay with Hawaii not being as successful as they once were. No one is saying it's okay for a coach to take over a perennially ranked program to where it's not ranked anymore. It's just that no one is bitching about it as loudly and repeatedly as you are and you seem mad about that. It's also probably that most people realize that the national landscape of volleyball has changed and Hawaii has a difficult task in trying to get back into the limelight. As it is now, Hawaii (and the Big West) cannot compete with what other programs/conferences can offer to coaches and recruits. It's hard to get champagne when you have a beer budget especially when a lot more schools are able to offer champagne. Hapaguy wants/expects all of this without being able to articulate how to actually get those things. Now hapaguy wants the cash-strapped athletic department to replace the current coach by magically finding funds to attract a successful/good coach to coach in a mid-major conference and will magically be able to turn around the program and attract high level recruits to play in a mid-major conference (rather than coaching/playing against high level programs on a weekly basis). All so that Hawaii can satisfy his "high" expectations of getting back to consistently being in the national rankings and making deep runs in the NCAA tournament. While most if not all of the fans want this, most fans are realistic in their expectations and don't get their panties in a bunch when it doesn't happen. Awesome summary. I'm pretty sure this sums up the feelings of at least 99% of the Hawaii fans. It's funny that just about everyone agrees that the program isn't nationally relevant anymore (forget about rankings) yet no one seems to care or want to do anything about it. Let's just all continue to defend the coach overseeing the downward trajectory until it's too late and we're another LBSU or Pacific....
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Post by brooselee on Jun 16, 2024 18:16:45 GMT -5
No we are not nationally relevant but so are many other teams in many other sports. That's life. You put in 100% effort to being the best you can and if that's is all you can achieve, then that's all you can do.
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Post by kaipono on Jun 16, 2024 18:18:13 GMT -5
When was the last time UH got passed the 2nd round? The 2019 season
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Post by hapaguy on Jun 16, 2024 18:18:30 GMT -5
No we are not nationally relevant but so is many other teams in many other sports. That's life. You put in 100% effort to being the best you can and if that's is all you can achieve, then that's all you can do. You just made my last point...thank you.....
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 16, 2024 18:21:39 GMT -5
No we are not nationally relevant but so is many other teams in many other sports. That's life. You put in 100% effort to being the best you can and if that's is all you can achieve, then that's all you can do. You just made my last point...thank you..... Congratulations. You're just being stupid now.
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Post by hapaguy on Jun 16, 2024 18:26:23 GMT -5
You just made my last point...thank you..... Congratulations. You're just being stupid now. Whoa! I was responding to BrooseLee. Who put a nickel in you?
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Post by brooselee on Jun 16, 2024 18:37:55 GMT -5
No we are not nationally relevant but so is many other teams in many other sports. That's life. You put in 100% effort to being the best you can and if that's is all you can achieve, then that's all you can do. You just made my last point...thank you..... No I don’t think so. The only person caring about being nationally relevant is you. National relevance is not that important in the big picture. You seems to be more of a status guy who need people to pat you on the shoulder and tell you you’re somebody to make your day.
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Post by hapaguy on Jun 16, 2024 18:46:01 GMT -5
You just made my last point...thank you..... No I don’t think so. The only person caring about being nationally relevant is you. National relevance is not that important in the big picture. You seems to be more of a status guy who need people to pat you on the shoulder and tell you you’re somebody to make your day. Yes, you actually did and you just did it again. Here's my earlier comment: "It's funny that just about everyone agrees that the program isn't nationally relevant anymore (forget about rankings) yet no one seems to care or want to do anything about it. Let's just all continue to defend the coach overseeing the downward trajectory until it's too late and we're another LBSU or Pacific....
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