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Post by brooselee on Jun 16, 2024 16:46:32 GMT -5
Every coaches #1 goal is to win your conference and go to post season. That is something coaches can control Robyn succeeded in that category every year she coached.
Other schools and what they do should not be of any concern of Coach Ah Mow.
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Post by noblesol on Jun 16, 2024 16:49:41 GMT -5
volleyguy & brooselee, you still didn't answer my question: in what universe is it OK for a coach - in any sport, to take over a perennially ranked program to then take that program to the point where it's not ranked anymore and that's OK? Name ANY program any sport where the fans would be OK with that. AVCA ranking is meaningless. It's a marketing tool. In some respect a popularity poll, because about half of the voters are coaches delegating to their assistants or SIDs, and frequently they vote on name recognition or whatever they think will help with their own marketing.
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Post by hapaguy on Jun 16, 2024 16:52:23 GMT -5
Every coaches #1 goal is to win your conference and go to post season. That is something coaches can control Robyn succeeded in that category every year she coached. Other schools and what they do should not be of any concern of Coach Ah Mow. LOL...okie dokie then! But you still won't answer my question: in what universe is it OK for a coach - in any sport, to take over a perennially ranked program to then take that program to the point where it's not ranked anymore and that's OK? Name ANY program any sport where the fans would be OK with that.
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Post by hapaguy on Jun 16, 2024 16:53:29 GMT -5
volleyguy & brooselee, you still didn't answer my question: in what universe is it OK for a coach - in any sport, to take over a perennially ranked program to then take that program to the point where it's not ranked anymore and that's OK? Name ANY program any sport where the fans would be OK with that. AVCA ranking is meaningless. It's a marketing tool. In some respect a popularity poll, because about half of the voters are coaches delegating to their assistants or SIDs, and frequently they vote on name recognition or whatever they think will help with their own marketing. I disagree. It's a status thing and it helps with recruiting.
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 16, 2024 16:53:52 GMT -5
LOL I correct you call you out and you call ME a mess LOL You didn’t call me out on anything. You had no response except whining about not being ranked. That’s why you’re a mess.
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Post by raian13 on Jun 16, 2024 17:12:37 GMT -5
volleyguy & brooselee, you still didn't answer my question: in what universe is it OK for a coach - in any sport, to take over a perennially ranked program to then take that program to the point where it's not ranked anymore and that's OK? Name ANY program any sport where the fans would be OK with that. AVCA ranking is meaningless. It's a marketing tool. In some respect a popularity poll, because about half of the voters are coaches delegating to their assistants or SIDs, and frequently they vote on name recognition or whatever they think will help with their own marketing. AVCA is meaningless? It reflects on a team’s performance compared to other nationally top ranked teams. It’s evidenced by Hawaii’s performance in the post-season, it never made through round of 32.
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Post by VT Karen on Jun 16, 2024 17:14:13 GMT -5
Every coaches #1 goal is to win your conference and go to post season. That is something coaches can control Robyn succeeded in that category every year she coached. Other schools and what they do should not be of any concern of Coach Ah Mow. Yup. Can't deny that she has done well with managing her seasons and seemingly getting the best out of her teams to take conference titles. She has a unique set of challenges to face so while I have some gripes with the actual coaching, I'm always excited to see what she fields and 2024 is no exception.
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Post by noblesol on Jun 16, 2024 17:17:33 GMT -5
AVCA ranking is meaningless. It's a marketing tool. In some respect a popularity poll, because about half of the voters are coaches delegating to their assistants or SIDs, and frequently they vote on name recognition or whatever they think will help with their own marketing. I disagree. It's a status thing and it helps with recruiting. AVCA ranking is nice, sure, but it's for the slow and feeble-minded fans and players that don't know how teams are actually evaluated. Which I guess there are a lot of around still. But we can hope to educate them, eventually. What matters are SOS, W-L records, RPI and now KPI, Conference Championships, Coaching and player awards, scholarship availability, positive fan support (attendance!), NIL opportunities, and for some of the new generation, how much social media attention making the team will help garner followings and likes to their personal accounts.
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Post by hapaguy on Jun 16, 2024 17:19:30 GMT -5
LOL I correct you call you out and you call ME a mess LOL You didn’t call me out on anything. You had no response except whining about not being ranked. That’s why you’re a mess. LOL you made a comment about volleyball conference RPI then later claimed you were talking about overall conference strenght then you claimed you knew that I was talking about a new coaching staff but yet you asked me "The question that you don't seem to have an answer for is how you think Hawai'i can achieve this success." when I already said I think we need new coaches. Then you proceeded to lecture me on our conference affiliation history as if I wasn't born and raised in Hawaii and haven't been a Men's and Women's Volleyball as well as Football season ticket holder since 1987 so yeah thanks for that refresher history lesson... But enough of this bickering. From the comments from you that I've seen you post, you seem to be somewhat of a contrarian. What do you think the solution is to get back to national relevance? Or do you think it doesn't matter or we're not able to?
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Post by hapaguy on Jun 16, 2024 17:21:41 GMT -5
I disagree. It's a status thing and it helps with recruiting. AVCA ranking is nice, sure, but it's for the slow and feeble-minded fans and players that don't know how teams are actually evaluated. Which I guess there are a lot of around still. But we can hope to educate them, eventually. What matters are SOS, W-L records, RPI and now KPI, Conference Championships, Coaching and player awards, scholarship availability, positive fan support (attendance!), NIL opportunities, and for some of the new generation, how much social media attention making the team will help garner followings and likes to their personal accounts. Well thanks for calling me "slow and feeble-minded". I appreciate that. But I still disagree. AVCA rankings matter as far as program status and like I said recruiting.
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Post by medusa on Jun 16, 2024 17:30:55 GMT -5
When was the last time UH got passed the 2nd round?
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Post by wotugeteyeproblem on Jun 16, 2024 17:31:51 GMT -5
Hapaguy seems to still be butt-hurt because Robyn didn't say "hi" to him at an away game a few years ago because he felt entitled to this because he previously donated to the program or was a booster or something. So it seems he has some kind of vendetta against her. He also wants to dictate how people should feel -- that people should be as upset as he is that Hawaii is not meeting his "high" expectations.
No one is okay with Hawaii not being as successful as they once were. No one is saying it's okay for a coach to take over a perennially ranked program to where it's not ranked anymore. It's just that no one is bitching about it as loudly and repeatedly as you are and you seem mad about that. It's also probably that most people realize that the national landscape of volleyball has changed and Hawaii has a difficult task in trying to get back into the limelight. As it is now, Hawaii (and the Big West) cannot compete with what other programs/conferences can offer to coaches and recruits. It's hard to get champagne when you have a beer budget especially when a lot more schools are able to offer champagne. Hapaguy wants/expects all of this without being able to articulate how to actually get those things.
Now hapaguy wants the cash-strapped athletic department to replace the current coach by magically finding funds to attract a successful/good coach to coach in a mid-major conference and will magically be able to turn around the program and attract high level recruits to play in a mid-major conference (rather than coaching/playing against high level programs on a weekly basis). All so that Hawaii can satisfy his "high" expectations of getting back to consistently being in the national rankings and making deep runs in the NCAA tournament. While most if not all of the fans want this, most fans are realistic in their expectations and don't get their panties in a bunch when it doesn't happen.
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 16, 2024 17:34:40 GMT -5
You didn’t call me out on anything. You had no response except whining about not being ranked. That’s why you’re a mess. LOL you made a comment about volleyball conference RPI then later claimed you were talking about overall conference strenght then you claimed you knew that I was talking about a new coaching staff but yet you asked me "The question that you don't seem to have an answer for is how you think Hawai'i can achieve this success." when I already said I think we need new coaches. Then you proceeded to lecture me on our conference affiliation history as if I wasn't born and raised in Hawaii and have been a Men's and Women's Volleyball as well as Football season ticket holder since 1987 so yeah thanks for that refresher history lesson... But enough of this bickering. From the comments from you that I've seen you post, you seem to be somewhat of a contrarian. What do you think the solution is to get back to national relevance? Or do you think it doesn't matter or we're not able to? I made two separate comments about conferences, the first about those conferences being objectively stronger (mainly because of football) and also for volleyball. Then I made a comment about those schools that you specifically mentioned as successful volleyball programs being able to be ranked. So two different scenarios, both tied to being football conferences. Meanwhile, you just kept repeating your “unanswered” question about fans being satisfied with not being ranked. I also already answered your question. I asked who is a better coach than Robyn in the Big West. I also said that there are areas where Robyn could improve in terms of NIL and support (that could improve recruiting). Hawai’i improving its football situation would also improve recruiting). I also argued that money isn’t the obvious answer, as Long Beach has proved. I do think Hawai’i could be better. Recruiting, better PR and engagement, NIL (an area that Hawai’i could actually be strong in given its culture and geographic monopoly). Robyn needs to be better in some of these areas. All of this, and you seem to have missed it, or ignored it, AND you accuse me of lacking reading comprehension. Instead, you keep repeating the same “unanswered” question. You’re either dense or unserious, or both.
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Post by noblesol on Jun 16, 2024 17:37:16 GMT -5
AVCA ranking is nice, sure, but it's for the slow and feeble-minded fans and players that don't know how teams are actually evaluated. Which I guess there are a lot of around still. But we can hope to educate them, eventually. What matters are SOS, W-L records, RPI and now KPI, Conference Championships, Coaching and player awards, scholarship availability, positive fan support (attendance!), NIL opportunities, and for some of the new generation, how much social media attention making the team will help garner followings and likes to their personal accounts. Well thanks for calling me "slow and feeble-minded". I appreciate that. But I still disagree. AVCA rankings matter as far as program status and like I said recruiting. Well, I'm exasperated with fans and any player out there that gets wound around the axle over AVCA rankings. Because no one should really care. Yet they do, and I can only attribute it to the fact that half of the people in any very large group will always be below average in IQ. All of marketing is basically built upon that fact, and we know that marketing can sell ice to at least some Eskimos. So I guess we will always be stuck with a group of people that get wound around the AVCA poll axle.
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Post by hapaguy on Jun 16, 2024 17:38:52 GMT -5
Hapaguy seems to still be butt-hurt because Robyn didn't say "hi" to him at an away game a few years ago because he felt entitled to this because he previously donated to the program or was a booster or something. So it seems he has some kind of vendetta against her. He also wants to dictate how people should feel -- that people should be as upset as he is that Hawaii is not meeting his "high" expectations. No one is okay with Hawaii not being as successful as they once were. No one is saying it's okay for a coach to take over a perennially ranked program to where it's not ranked anymore. It's just that no one is bitching about it as loudly and repeatedly as you are and you seem mad about that. It's also probably that most people realize that the national landscape of volleyball has changed and Hawaii has a difficult task in trying to get back into the limelight. As it is now, Hawaii (and the Big West) cannot compete with what other programs/conferences can offer to coaches and recruits. It's hard to get champagne when you have a beer budget especially when a lot more schools are able to offer champagne. Hapaguy wants/expects all of this without being able to articulate how to actually get those things. Now hapaguy wants the cash-strapped athletic department to replace the current coach by magically finding funds to attract a successful/good coach to coach in a mid-major conference and will magically be able to turn around the program and attract high level recruits to play in a mid-major conference (rather than coaching/playing against high level programs on a weekly basis). All so that Hawaii can satisfy his "high" expectations of getting back to consistently being in the national rankings and making deep runs in the NCAA tournament. While most if not all of the fans want this, most fans are realistic in their expectations and don't get their panties in a bunch when it doesn't happen. LOL...think what you want. Was that uncool of her? Yes! Do I hate her or dislike her for it? No! Did I cancel my season tickets because of it? No, I've been a season ticket holder since 1987 and just renewd my lower bowl seats for another year. I just don't understand thinking like yours where you just go "it is what it is" and make up a ton of excuses as to why we can't be nationally relevant anymore. I've asked this before and I will ask it again since not a single of you Robyn defenders will answer: in what universe is it OK for a coach - in any sport, to take over a perennially ranked program to then take that program to the point where it's not ranked anymore and that's OK? Name ANY program in any sport where that's OK and the coaches job would be safe?
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