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Post by noblesol on Aug 9, 2024 18:00:11 GMT -5
Hawai'i isolation doesn't translate into boredom unless you are an inactive person. There's more to do outside on any given day than about anywhere else in the world.
If your family isn't here that might be an issue, but for those on the WVB roster, there are thousands of families that would adopt them for a few years if they were open to it. So, whether they expand their Ohana or not is up to them.
Making new friends is always difficult for some, but not if they are positive Wahine playing WVB. They'll always find a few jerks on social media but most of those that come to see them play in the thousands would be thrilled to be called a friend. So, isolation and loneliness is not their fate... just a choice.
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Post by brooselee on Aug 9, 2024 18:29:12 GMT -5
The 13 players roster is not the coaches fault. They had no idea about Malinah and Paula’s transfers kinda late in the game. At that point, there was not a lot of good fit so why just sign players who you don’t think are fits?
It would have been 15 if those two unfortunate situations did not happen. It’s water under the bridge. We need to just move on since there is nothing UH can do now.
What “good” came out is that UH got Makena Biondi with that open scholarship at this late stage and could be holding one for an impact transfer for next season. UH is looking for kids for 2026 so 2025 is probably close to done with Moriwaki, Biondi, and Reid…..and maybe a transfer if needed.
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Post by hwnstunner on Aug 9, 2024 18:46:05 GMT -5
I don't think I'm giving excuses but rather actual facts. The NCAA has changed a lot with conference alignment going from P5 to P4. Women's volleyball has becoming increasingly popular from the 80s, 90s and early 2000s. Being a collegiate athlete now has real monetary value for the athletes that go beyond getting you education paid for. The majority of the best and most highly recruited athletes will want to maximize their opportunities to go to school's with 1st class facilities, great coaching and of course great academics. I'm sure there are top athletes want to go to schools located within great college towns as well. That's why I think that the money and isolation are major factors that seem to be increasing as the days go by. If your major gripe is the coaching, I also don't think that it's the greatest. Though, it's what Hawaii has at the moment and I think they do well with what they have. Still not buying what you're selling. We have one of the top venues for volleyball: Stan Sheriff Center, we have a brand new weight/training facility, a fan base that is one of the top fan bases in the country, and a coach that's played at the highest level (Olympic Silver Medal). It can't be only about (NIL) money. Something else has to be going on. Either Robyn and her coaching staff are lazy recruiters - as some have mentioned on here, or her coaching style is not one that players want to play for. Like I said, we will have to agree to disagree. I usually have no problem with your posts that typically others go off on. But this, I 100% disagree. You are making a general statement off of ONE offseason in between a year that we graduated six and have three 2025s and one 2026 committed. It's like saying Hawaii is a bad school because they missed the NCAA in 1992, despite making NCAAs every other year. Also, to say NIL deals have little to no effect on the potential recruit or transfer is perplexing. This isn't even including the impeding 18 scholarship limit for women's volleyball. 2024 we have iPhone. 2000 we had pagers. To compare how Hawaii should be in 2024 women's volleyball to how things were in 2000 - shoot even just 2020 - is unfair.
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Post by noblesol on Aug 9, 2024 18:47:09 GMT -5
100% That small high school looking stadium isn't going to attract top talent as far as players or coaches. I agree with you on that point BUT Timmy has still been able to recruit good players. According to 247sports.com, Chang has been a less than average of the MW conference recruiter. He has no 5 or 4 star recruits, and typically less than a dozen three stars per class. For the 2024 class he ranks #8 of 12 in the MW, and for all of Div.-I he occupied the bottom half of recruiting — #116 of ~200 teams. For 2025, he's slightly trending upward, but still no 5 or 4 stars, just a handful of three stars, and very middle of the Tier-2 pack.
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 9, 2024 19:02:25 GMT -5
I agree. This will be an interesting season. Seems like every season the team is regressing instead of progressing. Ugh. 2021 NCAA 1st round loss 2022 NCAA 2nd round loss 😬👍🏻 It’s honestly not even worth bothering with the negative nancys at this point. They are all welcome to leave the fanbase if a potentially challenging season scares them off that easily.
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 9, 2024 19:07:32 GMT -5
UH Manoa Athletic Department has a history of running in the red, needing State and University plus ups to cover the bills. Since they have no excess revenue to share, it's not a given they'd elect the P4 revenue sharing model per the settlement. So, it's not a given they'd have roster caps or changes to their available scholarships. UH should give LOVB a call and offer the Stan as an event arena for games. I would imagine it would be a good draw, especially if some former Wahine greats currently playing overseas came back…
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Post by noblesol on Aug 9, 2024 19:15:05 GMT -5
UH Manoa Athletic Department has a history of running in the red, needing State and University plus ups to cover the bills. Since they have no excess revenue to share, it's not a given they'd elect the P4 revenue sharing model per the settlement. So, it's not a given they'd have roster caps or changes to their available scholarships. UH should give LOVB a call and offer the Stan as an event arena for games. I would imagine it would be a good draw, especially if some former Wahine greats currently playing overseas came back… I'd attend.
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Post by VT Karen on Aug 9, 2024 19:25:47 GMT -5
Hawai'i isolation doesn't translate into boredom unless you are an inactive person. There's more to do outside on any given day than about anywhere else in the world. If your family isn't here that might be an issue, but for those on the WVB roster, there are thousands of families that would adopt them for a few years if they were open to it. So, whether they expand their Ohana or not is up to them. Making new friends is always difficult for some, but not if they are positive Wahine playing WVB. They'll always find a few jerks on social media but most of those that come to see them play in the thousands would be thrilled to be called a friend. So, isolation and loneliness is not their fate... just a choice. Island/Rock fever is a thing. Hawaii is my home so I was practically born in the ocean and I love outdoor activities. But after going away for college and living away from the islands for so long, I began to experience it when I came back and started a family of my own. I can't imagine what it would be like for those who aren't ma'a to island life.
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Post by VT Karen on Aug 9, 2024 19:26:40 GMT -5
I agree with you on that point BUT Timmy has still been able to recruit good players. According to 247sports.com, Chang has been a less than average of the MW conference recruiter. He has no 5 or 4 star recruits, and typically less than a dozen three stars per class. For the 2024 class he ranks #8 of 12 in the MW, and for all of Div.-I he occupied the bottom half of recruiting — #116 of ~200 teams. For 2025, he's slightly trending upward, but still no 5 or 4 stars, just a handful of three stars, and very middle of the Tier-2 pack. Oh so the recruiting isn't as good as originally reported. Shucks! The department needs the football team to do well.
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Post by HawaiiMongoose on Aug 9, 2024 19:29:32 GMT -5
Absolutely. To keep nagging on the lack of transfers at this point, takes away from the fact we have players that have been part of this program since their freshmen season in Lang, Ikenaga, Alexander, etc. and away from the other nine that said yes to being Wahine. Hawaii has had 13-player rosters before believe it or not. Not many, but not unheard of. Just look back on the roster tab on the website. I don't recall us ever having a 13 player roster in the past so I went and looked and it appears we had 13 player roster twice back in the early 2000's. It's the exception rather than the rule. The online rosters can't be trusted, at least prior to 2009. For example the 2000 online roster lists only 13 players, but is missing Veronica Lima who was one of the team leaders that season. The 2007 online roster lists 17 players but there were actually 18 on the roster. Dani Mafua is missing. The 2008 online roster is the worst. It lists only 12 of the team's 17 players. Tara Hittle, Jessica Keefe, Jamie Houston, Nickie Thomas, and Amanda Simmons are missing. By looking at media guides and team photos, which either don't exist or aren't accessible online prior to 2004, I was able to validate roster counts for the past 20 years. Here they are: 2004 16 2005 16 2006 16 2007 18 2008 17 2009 18 2010 15 2011 19 2012 20 2013 18 2014 16 2015 15 2016 19 2017 17 2018 15 2019 16 2020 (season cancelled) 2021 16 2022 15 2023 16
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Post by VT Karen on Aug 9, 2024 19:31:37 GMT -5
I don't recall us ever having a 13 player roster in the past so I went and looked and it appears we had 13 player roster twice back in the early 2000's. It's the exception rather than the rule. The online rosters can't be trusted, at least prior to 2009. For example the 2000 online roster lists only 13 players, but is missing Veronica Lima who was one of the team leaders that season. The 2007 online roster lists 17 players but there were actually 18 on the roster. Dani Mafua is missing. The 2008 online roster is the worst. It lists only 12 of the team's 17 players. Tara Hittle, Jessica Keefe, Jamie Houston, Nickie Thomas, and Amanda Simmons are missing. By looking at media guides and team photos, which either don't exist or aren't accessible online prior to 2004, I was able to validate roster counts for the past 20 years. Here they are: 2004 16 2005 16 2006 16 2007 18 2008 17 2009 18 2010 15 2011 19 2012 20 2013 18 2014 16 2015 15 2016 19 2017 17 2018 15 2019 16 2020 (season cancelled) 2021 16 2022 15 2023 16 Thank you for doing the research!
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Post by noblesol on Aug 9, 2024 19:32:57 GMT -5
I don't recall us ever having a 13 player roster in the past so I went and looked and it appears we had 13 player roster twice back in the early 2000's. It's the exception rather than the rule. The online rosters can't be trusted, at least prior to 2009. For example the 2000 online roster lists only 13 players, but is missing Veronica Lima who was one of the team leaders that season. The 2007 online roster lists 17 players but there were actually 18 on the roster. Dani Mafua is missing. The 2008 online roster is the worst. It lists only 12 of the team's 17 players. Tara Hittle, Jessica Keefe, Jamie Houston, Nickie Thomas, and Amanda Simmons are missing. By looking at media guides and team photos, which either don't exist or aren't accessible online prior to 2004, I was able to validate roster counts for the past 20 years. Here they are: 2004 16 2005 16 2006 16 2007 18 2008 17 2009 18 2010 15 2011 19 2012 20 2013 18 2014 16 2015 15 2016 19 2017 17 2018 15 2019 16 2020 (season cancelled) 2021 16 2022 15 2023 16 I love fact diggers
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Post by HawaiiMongoose on Aug 9, 2024 19:50:51 GMT -5
The online rosters can't be trusted, at least prior to 2009. For example the 2000 online roster lists only 13 players, but is missing Veronica Lima who was one of the team leaders that season. The 2007 online roster lists 17 players but there were actually 18 on the roster. Dani Mafua is missing. The 2008 online roster is the worst. It lists only 12 of the team's 17 players. Tara Hittle, Jessica Keefe, Jamie Houston, Nickie Thomas, and Amanda Simmons are missing. By looking at media guides and team photos, which either don't exist or aren't accessible online prior to 2004, I was able to validate roster counts for the past 20 years. Here they are: 2004 16 2005 16 2006 16 2007 18 2008 17 2009 18 2010 15 2011 19 2012 20 2013 18 2014 16 2015 15 2016 19 2017 17 2018 15 2019 16 2020 (season cancelled) 2021 16 2022 15 2023 16 Thank you for doing the research! Sure thing. I'm a little compulsive, LOL. When I looked at the 2008 online roster it didn't seem right and my suspicion was confirmed when I checked that season's media guide. After that I couldn't stop myself from cross-checking the other rosters against the other sources.
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Post by noblesol on Aug 9, 2024 19:59:16 GMT -5
Hawai'i isolation doesn't translate into boredom unless you are an inactive person. There's more to do outside on any given day than about anywhere else in the world. If your family isn't here that might be an issue, but for those on the WVB roster, there are thousands of families that would adopt them for a few years if they were open to it. So, whether they expand their Ohana or not is up to them. Making new friends is always difficult for some, but not if they are positive Wahine playing WVB. They'll always find a few jerks on social media but most of those that come to see them play in the thousands would be thrilled to be called a friend. So, isolation and loneliness is not their fate... just a choice. Island/Rock fever is a thing. Hawaii is my home so I was practically born in the ocean and I love outdoor activities. But after going away for college and living away from the islands for so long, I began to experience it when I came back and started a family of my own. I can't imagine what it would be like for those who aren't ma'a to island life. I was born to farm life on the mainland. Isolation is the middle of winter, upper rural Midwest, snow packed rural roads, nearest neighbor a mile away, nearest small town ten miles away, nearest small airport over forty miles away. For most of my childhood until about age ten, there was one TV broadcast station we could get clearly, in black and white only. And AM radio only until about age ten when there were a few FM stations available. Bored? No, there was always a rich outdoor life, even in the middle of winter. So, when the Navy parked me on Oahu many decades ago, it suited me fine. Then back to the mainland and SoCal. But after Navy retirement, DoD contracting brought me back. After a second retirement, I knew Oahu was home. I go back once a year to visit family, but with each passing year they look at me more strangely for doing so. They'd live in Hawai'i if they could afford to. Which is the real issue for most, that Hawai'i has become so unaffordable for so many, that many don't have the option to stay. Which in a way is a recruiting tool that UH Manoa should be using to its advantage. A place so many people want to live in, that they may never be able to afford any other way, they can play and learn in for a few of the best years of their lives. They'll make memories to treasure all their lives that others may never be able to afford.
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Post by VT Karen on Aug 9, 2024 20:17:37 GMT -5
Island/Rock fever is a thing. Hawaii is my home so I was practically born in the ocean and I love outdoor activities. But after going away for college and living away from the islands for so long, I began to experience it when I came back and started a family of my own. I can't imagine what it would be like for those who aren't ma'a to island life. I was born to farm life on the mainland. Isolation is the middle of winter, upper rural Midwest, snow packed rural roads, nearest neighbor a mile away, nearest small town ten miles away, nearest small airport over forty miles away. For most of my childhood until about age ten, there was one TV broadcast station we could get clearly, in black and white only. And AM radio only until about age ten when there were a few FM stations available. Bored? No, there was always a rich outdoor life, even in the middle of winter. So, when the Navy parked me on Oahu many decades ago, it suited me fine. Then back to the mainland and SoCal. But after Navy retirement, DoD contracting brought me back. After a second retirement, I knew Oahu was home. I go back once a year to visit family, but with each passing year they look at me more strangely for doing so. They'd live in Hawai'i if they could afford to. Which is the real issue for most, that Hawai'i has become so unaffordable for so many, that many don't have the option to stay. Which in a way is recruiting tool that UH Manoa should be using to its advantage. A place so many people want to live in, that they may never be able to afford any other way, they can play and learn in for a few of the best years of their lives. They'll make memories to treasure all their lives that others may never be able to afford. Thank you for sharing your story! I'm glad you love it here. Oh yes, I know cabin fever is definitely a thing too lol When I experienced my first midwestern winter I was like 😮💨🫠 I just don't think that many young people want to move to Hawaii permanently unless they have a real reason to do so. It more of a transient, vacation spot unless you have the coffers to buy/maintain a primary, investment property or second home (my property tax is insane). I remember an article coming out years ago (ESPN? maybe 2003?) as to why Hawaii should be getting many of the top athletes but the paradise selling point doesn't and never has seemed to work. I think that it would feel very isolated for many 18 year old Gen Z'ers from the continent.
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