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Post by staticb on Aug 10, 2024 10:43:59 GMT -5
Stella looked great (hitting wise) during spring. Second best pin after Paula imho.
As a side note, Amber Igiede has been posting photos of her training with Claire Chausee, Saige Torres, etc. I thought maybe they were practicing for a LOVB thing but I guess there's a US Volleyball Training Bloc going on right now, so she's still in the US Developmental System.
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Post by HawaiiMongoose on Aug 10, 2024 11:11:34 GMT -5
2004 16 2005 16 2006 16 2007 18 2008 17 2009 18 2010 15 2011 19 2012 20 2013 18 2014 16 2015 15 2016 19 2017 17 2018 15 2019 16 2020 (season cancelled) 2021 16 2022 15 2023 16 2004 had 17 players - Sanders, Boogaard, Hittle, Gregory, Blood, Keefe, Arnott, Eckmier, Thomas, Kamana'o, Watanabe, Fotu, Thurlby, Ong, Woolford, Prince, Silva 2005 had 18 players- Sanders, Boogaard, Hittle, Gregory, Blood, Keefe, Arnott, Houston, Thomas, Kamana'o, Watanabe, Kitaguchi, Thurlby, Ong, Woolford, Prince, Mason, Jayme Lee 2006 had 19 - Sanders, Kaufman, Hittle, Gregory, Blood, Keefe, Arnott, Houston, Thomas, Kamana'o, Mafua, Kitaguchi, Thurlby, Ong, Woolford, Elise Duggins, Mason, Lee, Makana Recca Per the 2004 media guide (p. 22), there were 16 on the roster (didn't include Silva): hawaiiathletics.com/custompages/Stats/Wvb/04%20wvb%20media%20guide.pdfPer the 2005 media guide (p. 22), there were 17 on the roster (didn't include Lee): hawaiiathletics.com/custompages/Stats/Wvb/05%20wvb%20media%20guide.pdfPer the 2006 media guide (p. 20), there were 18 on the roster (didn't include Recca): hawaiiathletics.com/custompages/Stats/Wvb/06%20wvb%20media%20guide.pdfDon't know why I had 16 for each year, must have made a mistake cutting and pasting from my list to the post. So, thanks for noticing the error.
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Post by brooselee on Aug 10, 2024 15:19:47 GMT -5
Those who are looking at roster sizes and making a comparison, you gotta realize that a lot of those teams in the past have like 4-5 smalls.
Smalls do not really help when you are trying to put together a B team for practice. I don't see players like Rika Okino and Clare Marie Anderson all that helpful in the front row during practices.
I do admit we have a depth problem but I don't see that hurting us in practice that much. Having the assistant coaches play on the B team is much preferred. That way, the 13 players will get to max out their reps playing with the A team.
This might be a season where all 13 players will have a shot at playing time. I don't see a guarantee "bench warmer" on this roster.
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Post by rainbowcard on Aug 10, 2024 16:16:00 GMT -5
Aww they just showed Hanna Hellvig on the big screen from a live video watching her brother that just won the gold medal in beach volleyball!
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Post by 5100 on Aug 10, 2024 21:02:28 GMT -5
Kahea Silva was a late transfer from UH-Hilo. She was #17 on the roster, played sparingly and returned to UH-Hilo after one year with the 'Bows. She was the starting setter for UH-Hilo, but was a DS for the Wahine. Rayna Kitaguchi (#12) and Jayme Lee (#18) were the two freshmen walk-ons who survived the tryout process in 2005. Others were cut. Makana Recca (#19) was a DS transfer who played sparingly at her previous school. She stayed one year (2006). She was the lone survivor of the walk-ons who joined fall camp. Others quit. These walk-ons became official members of the team after the media guides went to print, I guess. Pretty sure they were on the online roster back then and were in the articles by Cindy Luis and Ann Miller.
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Post by wahinefan on Aug 10, 2024 21:31:27 GMT -5
Those who are looking at roster sizes and making a comparison, you gotta realize that a lot of those teams in the past have like 4-5 smalls. Smalls do not really help when you are trying to put together a B team for practice. I don't see players like Rika Okino and Clare Marie Anderson all that helpful in the front row during practices. I do admit we have a depth problem but I don't see that hurting us in practice that much. Having the assistant coaches play on the B team is much preferred. That way, the 13 players will get to max out their reps playing with the A team. This might be a season where all 13 players will have a shot at playing time. I don't see a guarantee "bench warmer" on this roster. When assistant coaches are playing on the B team, how can they observe if someone on the A team is doing something wrong. The assistant coaches cannot observe and play at the some time, that is humanly impossible. No wonder the Wahine Team takes a long time to improve. The Head Coach and the assistant coaches should be observe practice, to observe if players are doing something wrong, and correct those problems. Robyn does not have 6 eyes, only 2. Curious to know how many D1 Teams have assistant coaches playing on the B Team during practices. I do not believe there are any, or just a very minimal number and those teams probably are not very good, at all.
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Post by brooselee on Aug 11, 2024 0:07:40 GMT -5
Those who are looking at roster sizes and making a comparison, you gotta realize that a lot of those teams in the past have like 4-5 smalls. Smalls do not really help when you are trying to put together a B team for practice. I don't see players like Rika Okino and Clare Marie Anderson all that helpful in the front row during practices. I do admit we have a depth problem but I don't see that hurting us in practice that much. Having the assistant coaches play on the B team is much preferred. That way, the 13 players will get to max out their reps playing with the A team. This might be a season where all 13 players will have a shot at playing time. I don't see a guarantee "bench warmer" on this roster. When assistant coaches are playing on the B team, how can they observe if someone on the A team is doing something wrong. The assistant coaches cannot observe and play at the some time, that is humanly impossible. No wonder the Wahine Team takes a long time to improve. The Head Coach and the assistant coaches should be observe practice, to observe if players are doing something wrong, and correct those problems. Robyn does not have 6 eyes, only 2. Curious to know how many D1 Teams have assistant coaches playing on the B Team during practices. I do not believe there are any, or just a very minimal number and those teams probably are not very good, at all. Robyn will do the observing when the other coaches can't. It's really not a difficult situation. The coaches will only play in certain situations. It's not like the coaches spend two hours playing volleyball.
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Post by wahinefan on Aug 11, 2024 0:54:03 GMT -5
When assistant coaches are playing on the B team, how can they observe if someone on the A team is doing something wrong. The assistant coaches cannot observe and play at the some time, that is humanly impossible. No wonder the Wahine Team takes a long time to improve. The Head Coach and the assistant coaches should be observe practice, to observe if players are doing something wrong, and correct those problems. Robyn does not have 6 eyes, only 2. Curious to know how many D1 Teams have assistant coaches playing on the B Team during practices. I do not believe there are any, or just a very minimal number and those teams probably are not very good, at all. Robyn will do the observing when the other coaches can't. It's really not a difficult situation. The coaches will only play in certain situations. It's not like the coaches spend two hours playing volleyball. How can Robyn watch both sides at the same time? Would it not be a lot better when you have one assistant coach watch one side, and the other assistant coach watch the other side. Like the majority of Top Level D1 Teams and Top Mid Level Teams do. Has the Wahine regressed to not even being a Top Mid Level Team anymore. If all Robyn and staff want to do is win the BWC, and get bounced in the 1st or 2nd round, then ok. Cause winning the BWC does not really say much, since the BWC is one of the weaker conferences in D1 volleyball. When will Robyn and staff wake up and finally decide that the Wahine Team is not good enough that they can be real picky when it comes to players. Robyn and staff need to actually go out and start recruiting players, instead of using their time coaching club volleyball.
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 11, 2024 2:09:04 GMT -5
Robyn will do the observing when the other coaches can't. It's really not a difficult situation. The coaches will only play in certain situations. It's not like the coaches spend two hours playing volleyball. How can Robyn watch both sides at the same time? Would it not be a lot better when you have one assistant coach watch one side, and the other assistant coach watch the other side. Like the majority of Top Level D1 Teams and Top Mid Level Teams do. Has the Wahine regressed to not even being a Top Mid Level Team anymore. If all Robyn and staff want to do is win the BWC, and get bounced in the 1st or 2nd round, then ok. Cause winning the BWC does not really say much, since the BWC is one of the weaker conferences in D1 volleyball. When will Robyn and staff wake up and finally decide that the Wahine Team is not good enough that they can be real picky when it comes to players. Robyn and staff need to actually go out and start recruiting players, instead of using their time coaching club volleyball. I feel like you’re just punishing us with all these idiotic takes
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Post by HawaiiMongoose on Aug 11, 2024 16:12:55 GMT -5
Is Maddie Way recovered from her injury she had this Spring/Summer? Haven’t seen anyone address this. Obviously for privacy reasons the coaches have no obligation to say anything about it. But in the context of the current roster situation her availability is pretty darn important. I hope she’s good to go.
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Post by hapaguy on Aug 11, 2024 16:34:55 GMT -5
Still not buying what you're selling. We have one of the top venues for volleyball: Stan Sheriff Center, we have a brand new weight/training facility, a fan base that is one of the top fan bases in the country, and a coach that's played at the highest level (Olympic Silver Medal). It can't be only about (NIL) money. Something else has to be going on. Either Robyn and her coaching staff are lazy recruiters - as some have mentioned on here, or her coaching style is not one that players want to play for. Like I said, we will have to agree to disagree. I usually have no problem with your posts that typically others go off on. But this, I 100% disagree. You are making a general statement off of ONE offseason in between a year that we graduated six and have three 2025s and one 2026 committed. It's like saying Hawaii is a bad school because they missed the NCAA in 1992, despite making NCAAs every other year. Also, to say NIL deals have little to no effect on the potential recruit or transfer is perplexing. This isn't even including the impeding 18 scholarship limit for women's volleyball. 2024 we have iPhone. 2000 we had pagers. To compare how Hawaii should be in 2024 women's volleyball to how things were in 2000 - shoot even just 2020 - is unfair.
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Post by rainbowcard on Aug 11, 2024 16:40:54 GMT -5
I have a question about how scholarships work: for example we have two local girls on scholarship if they live at home could the dorming cost saved for those scholarships be used towards players who are not on scholarship to get their dorming cost covered?
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Post by hapaguy on Aug 11, 2024 16:47:20 GMT -5
Still not buying what you're selling. We have one of the top venues for volleyball: Stan Sheriff Center, we have a brand new weight/training facility, a fan base that is one of the top fan bases in the country, and a coach that's played at the highest level (Olympic Silver Medal). It can't be only about (NIL) money. Something else has to be going on. Either Robyn and her coaching staff are lazy recruiters - as some have mentioned on here, or her coaching style is not one that players want to play for. Like I said, we will have to agree to disagree. I usually have no problem with your posts that typically others go off on. But this, I 100% disagree. You are making a general statement off of ONE offseason in between a year that we graduated six and have three 2025s and one 2026 committed. It's like saying Hawaii is a bad school because they missed the NCAA in 1992, despite making NCAAs every other year. Also, to say NIL deals have little to no effect on the potential recruit or transfer is perplexing. This isn't even including the impeding 18 scholarship limit for women's volleyball. 2024 we have iPhone. 2000 we had pagers. To compare how Hawaii should be in 2024 women's volleyball to how things were in 2000 - shoot even just 2020 - is unfair. Why do people always mischaracterize my comments? I did NOT say "NIL deals have little to no effect on the potential recruit or transfer" I said "It can't be only about (NIL) money". Not even the same thing! I really don't understand the point you're trying to make regarding "It's like saying Hawaii is a bad school because they missed the NCAA in 1992, despite making NCAAs every other year." I never said any such thing! All I'm saying is I don't understand how we only have 13 players on roster when she had the whole offseason to try to get players from the portal! She knew she was losing our all-world player Amber and that we would be thin at MB and also lost Paula yet she didn't get one experienced transfer in the offseasn WHY? Is it laziness as some have pointed out? Is it players don't want to play for Robyn? What's the reason? I really don't care to hear lame excuses (geography, lack of resources, etc.) for the poor choices the coaching staff is making....
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Post by hapaguy on Aug 11, 2024 16:50:34 GMT -5
I agree with you on that point BUT Timmy has still been able to recruit good players. According to 247sports.com, Chang has been a less than average of the MW conference recruiter. He has no 5 or 4 star recruits, and typically less than a dozen three stars per class. For the 2024 class he ranks #8 of 12 in the MW, and for all of Div.-I he occupied the bottom half of recruiting — #116 of ~200 teams. For 2025, he's slightly trending upward, but still no 5 or 4 stars, just a handful of three stars, and very middle of the Tier-2 pack. I think you're making my point for me. Timmy is not the worst recruiter out there and is still able to recruit good players considering we play in a glorified high school football stadium and probably the worst football stadium in the conference.
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Post by hapaguy on Aug 11, 2024 16:52:44 GMT -5
I don't recall us ever having a 13 player roster in the past so I went and looked and it appears we had 13 player roster twice back in the early 2000's. It's the exception rather than the rule. The online rosters can't be trusted, at least prior to 2009. For example the 2000 online roster lists only 13 players, but is missing Veronica Lima who was one of the team leaders that season. The 2007 online roster lists 17 players but there were actually 18 on the roster. Dani Mafua is missing. The 2008 online roster is the worst. It lists only 12 of the team's 17 players. Tara Hittle, Jessica Keefe, Jamie Houston, Nickie Thomas, and Amanda Simmons are missing. By looking at media guides and team photos, which either don't exist or aren't accessible online prior to 2004, I was able to validate roster counts for the past 20 years. Here they are: 2004 16 2005 16 2006 16 2007 18 2008 17 2009 18 2010 15 2011 19 2012 20 2013 18 2014 16 2015 15 2016 19 2017 17 2018 15 2019 16 2020 (season cancelled) 2021 16 2022 15 2023 16 Thank you for compiling this. So YIKES! we haven't had a 13 player roster in like forever then?!
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