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Post by noblesol on Aug 14, 2024 17:34:39 GMT -5
Do you have links per chance? Here are excerpts from Tsai's article confirming that certain coaches expect UH to opt in to the new roster limits defined in the House settlement and that UH does anticipate funding additional scholarships in five "profitable" sports: The NCAA limits baseball teams to the equivalent of 11.7 scholarships. Coach Rich Hill often uses at least 12 players by the fourth inning. But all that will change with the expected approval to set roster limits and increase scholarship distributions. When a federal judge signs off on the measure this week, NCAA Division I teams — if they choose — may disperse more scholarships to more players. The rule would go into effect beginning with the 2025-26 academic year. The proposal calls for changes to many sports’ roster limits. Baseball teams would be allowed to offer full rides to all 34 players on the 2026 roster. Last season’s UH team had 40 players, with the value of 11.7 scholarships spread among 32 players. Under the measure, the ’Bows could award up to 34 scholarships, dispersing full, partial or a combination of both. “It allows us to go as high as we can,” Hill said. “It’ll allow us to offer bigger scholarships and more of them. I see it as a super positive for us and the Big West.” Football currently is limited to offering 85 scholarships. There are 123 players on this season’s UH roster. Under the proposal, next year’s football scholarship and roster limit will be set at 105. With all sports becoming “equivalency” programs — scholarships can be full or partial — a football team can decide how to distribute the 20 additional awards. Hawaii athletic director Craig Angelos said: “The question is: how is everybody, even the power four, going to navigate this?” UH men’s volleyball coach Charlie Wade anticipated the NCAA moving toward a hard roster limit. Through the 2023 season, the Warriors’ roster averaged 20 players, with as many as 24. Last year, Wade reduced the roster to 18 — the proposed limit for the 2025 season. “There are schools with way more than that (this coming season),” Wade said. “I’ve got guys calling me all summer saying, ‘Hey, I want to transfer (to UH).’” But with the expected roster reduction and the talented incoming recruiting class, Wade told them: “I’m not loading up my roster if I’m going to have to cut you (in a year).” Wade added: “And they never heard of this. I said, it’s coming, and it’s coming quicker quicker than you would think, and as early as this summer. And here we are.”UH’s football, men’s basketball, women’s and men’s volleyball, and baseball programs are considered profitable sports when factoring all revenue streams. With a full ride valued at about $40,000, UH would be able to cover the additional 62.8 scholarships for those sports.www.staradvertiser.com/2024/07/30/sports/stephen-tsai-roster-limits-scholarship-distributions-to-bring-new-challenges/ "....programs are considered profitable...." is a bit of weasel wording there. Could have just stated they are profitable, but no, they are only 'considered' to be so. We know that football since since losing Aloha Stadium has bled millions they haven't earned back yet. Perhaps they project to profitability in the future, considering 'all revenue streams' they might earn if many things break their way. Projections all considered, come with risk. So, yes they've been a revenue sport in the past, but considering the future landscape will they remain so. I'm not so sure, and I'm not sure they'll survive in the MWC long if they can't turn a big corner soon.
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Post by VT Karen on Aug 14, 2024 17:42:52 GMT -5
What 'investing' in WVB might look like: WVB season ticket prices haven't gone up from what they were in 2020, the canceled season. Just to keep up with inflation, a lower bowl season ticket should have gone up around 20% going into the 2024 season. Assuming there are ~ 2,000 lower bowl season tickets, selling for about $50 more each to keep up with inflation for the past four years I’ve been a season ticket holder since 1991 but I’m not willing to continue paying for season tickets if the prices continue to go up while the quality of home matches go down. And I’d be willing to bet that many long- time season ticket holders feel the same way. Do you think money grows on trees? 😡 Gran!!!!! Welcome back! 😍
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Post by HawaiiMongoose on Aug 14, 2024 18:22:51 GMT -5
Here's the Tsai piece, probably behind the S-A paywall: www.staradvertiser.com/2024/07/30/sports/stephen-tsai-roster-limits-scholarship-distributions-to-bring-new-challenges/My take from reading the KHON2 AD interview and the S-A Tsai article re the settlement, is that no implementation plan is in place. There is public speculation and posturing by the AD and some coaches. The UH Manoa revenue sports of football, baseball, MVB, WVB, and MBB appear to be planning for roster caps and additional scholarships, without the revenue in place or a public University commitment yet in place. Wade thinks it's likely coming his way and it's impacting how he approaches current recruiting and roster size planning. Hill (baseball) seems to think it might benefit his program. No comments coming from MBB, WVB, and Football. Angelos seems ready to spin whatever direction he'll need to, but worries about finding the revenue. And while for some of the revenue sports it's speculated they might get promotion within the current athletic budget for additional scholarship plus ups, it may come at the relegation of the other UH Manoa programs. It would take about $2.5 million to cover the cost of the additional scholarships. That's not chump change but in the context of a $50 million athletic budget it's not a huge amount either. The increased CFP distribution beginning this season plus an increase in TV money from the new MWC deal expected to start in 2026 could cover much if not all of the incremental expense. The Spectrum PPV deal is also up for renewal and might be extended for an increased payout or replaced with a different arrangement that generates more revenue. Also to your point about relegation, I wouldn't be surprised at all if one or more non-revenue men's sports ends up being sacrificed to help defray the cost. The NCAA has minimum requirements for the number of men's and women's sports that a D1 school must sponsor, but IIRC there are discussions underway about dropping these requirements in favor of letting conferences set these minimums. That could end up giving UH more flexibility to focus its resources on fewer sports.
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Post by medusa on Aug 14, 2024 18:44:46 GMT -5
15 and a wake up. Go Hawaii Wahine Rainbow warriors.
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Post by wang pu on Aug 14, 2024 18:54:11 GMT -5
What 'investing' in WVB might look like: WVB season ticket prices haven't gone up from what they were in 2020, the canceled season. Just to keep up with inflation, a lower bowl season ticket should have gone up around 20% going into the 2024 season. Assuming there are ~ 2,000 lower bowl season tickets, selling for about $50 more each to keep up with inflation for the past four years I’ve been a season ticket holder since 1991 but I’m not willing to continue paying for season tickets if the prices continue to go up while the quality of home matches go down. And I’d be willing to bet that many long- time season ticket holders feel the same way. Do you think money grows on trees? 😡 Curious....what are you contributing to the lower quality of home matches? Is it the Wahine or the visitors? A combo of both? Don't say it is Billy V! lol
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Post by hapaguy on Aug 14, 2024 20:15:41 GMT -5
What 'investing' in WVB might look like: WVB season ticket prices haven't gone up from what they were in 2020, the canceled season. Just to keep up with inflation, a lower bowl season ticket should have gone up around 20% going into the 2024 season. Assuming there are ~ 2,000 lower bowl season tickets, selling for about $50 more each to keep up with inflation for the past four years I’ve been a season ticket holder since 1991 but I’m not willing to continue paying for season tickets if the prices continue to go up while the quality of home matches go down. And I’d be willing to bet that many long- time season ticket holders feel the same way. Do you think money grows on trees? 😡 LOL us old timers! We've both been season ticket holders since before Stan Sheriff Center - the old Klum Gym sauna days! I do miss those raucus days in Klum Gym with the Bowzo's though. The atmosphere is not the same. Came close during the Yuval Katz days though with the Rubber Band Man dancing etc...Do you remember how much season tickets cost at Klum Gym back in the day? My memory is fading but I seem to recall it was like around $60 for the season in the late 80's. General admission of course. This year I paid $650 for 2 Lower Bowl seats plus another $100 for the parking pass! Getting up there! But yeah I kind of agree with you regarding whether or not to continue being a season ticket holder. It's getting tough to justify that price.
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Post by staticb on Aug 14, 2024 20:39:20 GMT -5
We're pretty threadbare in the amount of men's sports we offer already. Looking at what we offer, maybe golf and tennis, but I don't know how many scholies we are offering those already. If there is a change if the minimum number of sports that are offered, it will decimate Olympic sports.
I worry about men's volleyball at the P5 level. If schools are going to add more scholarships to football, basketball, and probably baseball. Men's Vball is a money loser everywhere.
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Post by noblesol on Aug 14, 2024 21:10:51 GMT -5
Here's the Tsai piece, probably behind the S-A paywall: www.staradvertiser.com/2024/07/30/sports/stephen-tsai-roster-limits-scholarship-distributions-to-bring-new-challenges/My take from reading the KHON2 AD interview and the S-A Tsai article re the settlement, is that no implementation plan is in place. There is public speculation and posturing by the AD and some coaches. The UH Manoa revenue sports of football, baseball, MVB, WVB, and MBB appear to be planning for roster caps and additional scholarships, without the revenue in place or a public University commitment yet in place. Wade thinks it's likely coming his way and it's impacting how he approaches current recruiting and roster size planning. Hill (baseball) seems to think it might benefit his program. No comments coming from MBB, WVB, and Football. Angelos seems ready to spin whatever direction he'll need to, but worries about finding the revenue. And while for some of the revenue sports it's speculated they might get promotion within the current athletic budget for additional scholarship plus ups, it may come at the relegation of the other UH Manoa programs. It would take about $2.5 million to cover the cost of the additional scholarships. That's not chump change but in the context of a $50 million athletic budget it's not a huge amount either. The increased CFP distribution beginning this season plus an increase in TV money from the new MWC deal expected to start in 2026 could cover much if not all of the incremental expense. The Spectrum PPV deal is also up for renewal and might be extended for an increased payout or replaced with a different arrangement that generates more revenue. Also to your point about relegation, I wouldn't be surprised at all if one or more non-revenue men's sports ends up being sacrificed to help defray the cost. The NCAA has minimum requirements for the number of men's and women's sports that a D1 school must sponsor, but IIRC there are discussions underway about dropping these requirements in favor of letting conferences set these minimums. That could end up giving UH more flexibility to focus its resources on fewer sports. Thanks for doing a bit of math, always appreciate that. As for a $50 million budget, I wasn't sure if it had gotten there yet, but assumed with inflation it was getting close. When I was doing a little research on where the UH Manoa budget was in comparison to other FBS schools, it wasn't a fair fight with the Tier-1 group. The top of Tier-1 have been north of $200 million/year for a while. I assume they'll be knocking down the $250 million mark soon. Filling out the Tier-1 are schools spending north of $100 million/year, about 60 altogether. Assuming all football programs consume about a quarter of their athletic budget as does UH Manoa, the Tier-1 range of football programs expend from around $25 to $50 million/year on their football programs. About 2x - 4x times UH Manoa per year. And I'd guess an outlier at the top expending close to 5x. We see that UH Manoa is already priced out of recruiting five and four star athletes, and they get maybe a dozen three stars in a good recruiting year. Do the consideration projections, and UH Manoa won't compete with Tier-1 FBS except by the luckiest of accidental years. Their monetary harmonic will put them somewhere near the middle of the bottom 74 of the 134 D1 FBS — about #97 of 134. So is that good enough for fanbase expectations? Will that level be enough to keep the fans and media happy, will it keep a new stadium afloat, will it support excess cash flow to fund the other UH Manoa sports programs and the Title IX burdens that football brings? My hope is that it does, but hope isn't a plan. It will be interesting to see what Angelos comes up with, and what actually unfolds. And where ultimately volleyball falls in priority — Promoted, or Relegated?
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Post by HawaiiMongoose on Aug 14, 2024 23:43:48 GMT -5
It would take about $2.5 million to cover the cost of the additional scholarships. That's not chump change but in the context of a $50 million athletic budget it's not a huge amount either. The increased CFP distribution beginning this season plus an increase in TV money from the new MWC deal expected to start in 2026 could cover much if not all of the incremental expense. The Spectrum PPV deal is also up for renewal and might be extended for an increased payout or replaced with a different arrangement that generates more revenue. Also to your point about relegation, I wouldn't be surprised at all if one or more non-revenue men's sports ends up being sacrificed to help defray the cost. The NCAA has minimum requirements for the number of men's and women's sports that a D1 school must sponsor, but IIRC there are discussions underway about dropping these requirements in favor of letting conferences set these minimums. That could end up giving UH more flexibility to focus its resources on fewer sports. Thanks for doing a bit of math, always appreciate that. As for a $50 million budget, I wasn't sure if it had gotten there yet, but assumed with inflation it was getting close. When I was doing a little research on where the UH Manoa budget was in comparison to other FBS schools, it wasn't a fair fight with the Tier-1 group. The top of Tier-1 have been north of $200 million/year for a while. I assume they'll be knocking down the $250 million mark soon. Filling out the Tier-1 are schools spending north of $100 million/year, about 60 altogether. Assuming all football programs consume about a quarter of their athletic budget as does UH Manoa, the Tier-1 range of football programs expend from around $25 to $50 million/year on their football programs. About 2x - 4x times UH Manoa per year. And I'd guess an outlier at the top expending close to 5x. We see that UH Manoa is already priced out of recruiting five and four star athletes, and they get maybe a dozen three stars in a good recruiting year. Do the consideration projections, and UH Manoa won't compete with Tier-1 FBS except by the luckiest of accidental years. Their monetary harmonic will put them somewhere near the middle of the bottom 74 of the 134 D1 FBS — about #97 of 134. So is that good enough for fanbase expectations? Will that level be enough to keep the fans and media happy, will it keep a new stadium afloat, will it support excess cash flow to fund the other UH Manoa sports programs and the Title IX burdens that football brings? My hope is that it does, but hope isn't a plan. It will be interesting to see what Angelos comes up with, and what actually unfolds. And where ultimately volleyball falls in priority — Promoted, or Relegated? All fair points. I'm hopeful that competing in a conference of peers with which UH has shared history and having some success there will be enough to sustain fan and media interest in UH football. Moreover the MWC has a reasonable chance going forward of securing its 2023 status as the top non-power college football conference, and even though that won't spare the MWC from falling ever-further behind the power conferences, having a path into the College Football Playoff will at least give its members something more exciting to compete for than a second-tier bowl berth against a mediocre power conference team. We shall see. Also just for reference, here's a link to a list of the 232 public D1 athletic programs ranked by revenue in 2022-23 (the most recent period for which data is available): sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/financesOhio State was first with over $251 million in revenue, the University of New Orleans was last with under $3 million, and UH was 70th with $49 million. I figure that with inflation it's fairly safe to assume UH's 2023-24 figure will exceed $50 million.
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Post by vballfreak808 on Aug 15, 2024 11:53:58 GMT -5
With broadcast schedules mostly all being out, now we know ALL Hawaii games are being streamed!
@ UNLV (Mountain West Network - FREE) @ Texas (SEC Network+) @ Baylor (ESPN+)
All Big West games (ESPN+)
Hawaii home games (Spectrum Sports/ESPN+)
The one upside of not playing an away non-conference tournament is that we always play the host team which means it’ll be streamed opposed to being a neutral team that won’t be.
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Post by vballfreak808 on Aug 15, 2024 12:58:53 GMT -5
Forgot to add, the match at Long Beach will be on ESPNU
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Post by staticb on Aug 15, 2024 14:37:06 GMT -5
The one upside of not playing an away non-conference tournament is that we always play the host team which means it’ll be streamed opposed to being a neutral team that won’t be. Hmm...I don't remember every having this problem--not in awhile anyway. It's *us* who doesn't bother to stream the non-host team tournament team matches.
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Post by rainbowcard on Aug 15, 2024 15:31:26 GMT -5
I am sure that someone will upload the Texas vs Hawaii match on youtube because not everyone has SEC+ like myself and it was the one match I really wanted to see haha
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 15, 2024 16:19:30 GMT -5
The one upside of not playing an away non-conference tournament is that we always play the host team which means it’ll be streamed opposed to being a neutral team that won’t be. Hmm...I don't remember every having this problem--not in awhile anyway. It's *us* who doesn't bother to stream the non-host team tournament team matches. Literally last season at TCU lol
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Post by vballfreak808 on Aug 15, 2024 16:25:42 GMT -5
The one upside of not playing an away non-conference tournament is that we always play the host team which means it’ll be streamed opposed to being a neutral team that won’t be. Hmm...I don't remember every having this problem--not in awhile anyway. It's *us* who doesn't bother to stream the non-host team tournament team matches. 2023 we didn’t have neutral matches at TCU. 2022 we didn’t have at Texas A&M against Pitt, the match against San Diego was live streamed via Facebook through a USD’s parent. 2019’s five set match against Missouri at Baylor was also not streamed
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